ATI Radeon 6000 seriers rumor to be released in october

[blackpanther26]

http://vr-zone.com/articles/-rumour...schedule-first-iteration-in-october/9688.html

Popular Turkish website Donanimhaber has released an expected schedule for the release of ATI's Radeon HD 6000 series. The first HD 6000 GPU to be released will be the Radeon HD 6700 series, codenamed Barts. The HD 6700 is scheduled for a release as early as October. As suggested by the nomenclature, the HD 6700 will directly replace the HD 5700 series.

The HD 6700 release will be followed up by Cayman in November, expected to be branded as the ATI Radeon HD 6800 series, replacing the current HD 5800 series.

The flagship will be Antilles, and branded as the ATI Radeon HD 6970. Antilles, as expected, will be a dual-GPU Cayman. While the HD 5970 lowers clock speeds from the HD 5870, HD 6970 is expected to feature the same clock speeds as the HD 6870 - basically a HD 6870 in CF. This will be much like the HD 4870 X2. The Radeon HD 6970 is scheduled for December.

 

[notty22]

So you still think the 460 is a better buy?

Today, OF COURSE it is.
Every 6870 is 240.00
and TODAY you can get a custom coolered gtx 4601gb for 199.99 with another 20 dollar rebate. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814134117&cm_re=gtx_460_1gb-_-14-134-117-_-Product
Thats not fair to AMD though. I have said wait a couple weeks, and things price/performance will be more of a wash.

 

[17seconds]

The big question in my mind is not the AMD vs. Nvidia question, but the 6870 vs. 5850 question. It seems the performance upgrade is only a few fps and maybe a little out of proportion to the amount of energy being expended on touting the debut of the new series. Is it really that much of a step up?

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

I wonder if Cayman is going to kill in tess?
http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1485528&postcount=3971

 

[raif89]

The big question in my mind is not the AMD vs. Nvidia question, but the 6870 vs. 5850 question. It seems the performance upgrade is only a few fps and maybe a little out of proportion to the amount of energy being expended on touting the debut of the new series. Is it really that much of a step up?

as far as crossfire scalability + new features, i would say so...

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

The big question in my mind is not the AMD vs. Nvidia question, but the 6870 vs. 5850 question. It seems the performance upgrade is only a few fps and maybe a little out of proportion to the amount of energy being expended on touting the debut of the new series. Is it really that much of a step up?

First, compare prices to perf, what we had, what we have now
Second, see what replaces the older cards at those price points
or, 6870 just a tad off 5870, 6850, also a tad off
Price wise, a nice gain
Now, going to 58xx card pricing, lets see what we get for those prices, ie Cayman

 

[aznshinobi]

Today, OF COURSE it is.
Every 6870 is 240.00
and TODAY you can get a custom coolered gtx 4601gb for 199.99 with another 20 dollar rebate. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814134117&cm_re=gtx_460_1gb-_-14-134-117-_-Product
Thats not fair to AMD though. I have said wait a couple weeks, and things price/performance will be more of a wash.

What are you trying to get at? MIRs don't ALWAYS COME.... Plus even after that rebate its the same price as the 6850. Plus the DirectCU and Gigabyte custom cooler for the 6850 is the same price. $179.99. Not to mention, if I read correctly, I think it was Hardware Canucks or Hexus that said it had a better price/performance, OH no it was techpowerup, said that the 6850 had a better price to performance ratio than the 460.

 

[shadow187]

Notty needs to face that the HD6850 is better in every aspect.

[qoute]It seems the performance upgrade is only a few fps and maybe a little out of proportion to the amount of energy being expended on touting the debut of the new series.[/quote]
Because this new series has the mid-range scraping the surface of last-series' high-end cards.

 

[ares1214]

Today, OF COURSE it is.
Every 6870 is 240.00
and TODAY you can get a custom coolered gtx 4601gb for 199.99 with another 20 dollar rebate. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814134117&cm_re=gtx_460_1gb-_-14-134-117-_-Product
Thats not fair to AMD though. I have said wait a couple weeks, and things price/performance will be more of a wash.

Oh, OF COURSE! I forgot Nvidia contained the master race... :lol: You REALLY have a hard time accepting AMD is on top dont you?

 

[eyefinity]

YAWN, thats why they bench a suite of games, because it represents the buyers experience. And pointing out games benchmarks where one card .9 fps or 1.4 is a wash.
Thats not a tier better, thats not a half a tier. Its certainly not next generation.

3870- to 4870 much higher performance- to 5870 - much higher performance 2x- to 6870- lower performance, LOL-

3870 - 4870, much bigger chip, same process.

4870 to 5870, much bigger chip, new process.

5870 - 6870, much smaller chip, same process.

Expected performance? I think so.

 

[shadow187]

One question:
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Since the 6770 has not been announced yet, could the 6770 be like the 4770, while the rest of the 4k series is 55nm, the 4770 being 40nm,
while the rest of the 6k being 40nm, 6770 will be the first on 28nm ?
Possible?

IIRC, 28nm process is being done late enough that it would be impossible to run off any new silicon on the new node within a decent time. I assume they'll slide Juniper into the HD6K category, possibly fine-tuning it for more performance..somehow?

Today, OF COURSE it is.
Every 6870 is 240.00
and TODAY you can get a custom coolered gtx 4601gb for 199.99 with another 20 dollar rebate. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814134117&cm_re=gtx_460_1gb-_-14-134-117-_-Product

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125348&cm_re=6850-_-14-125-348-_-Product
Oh man, that HD6850 doesn't look custom one bit. Nor does it look like it beats a GTX46- OH WAIT, IT DOES. My bad. Why bother comparing an HD6870 to a GTX460?

YAWN, thats why they bench a suite of games, because it represents the buyers experience. And pointing out games benchmarks where one card .9 fps or 1.4 is a wash.
Thats not a tier better, thats not a half a tier. Its certainly not next generation.

3870- to 4870 much higher performance- to 5870 - much higher performance 2x- to 6870- lower performance, LOL-

Actually, the HD6850 tends to manage an 8%+ lead over the GTX460. That's enough for a half-tier, and CERTAINLY enough to justify purchasing that over a GTX460.

3870 - 4870 ~~~~~~~ 4870 - 5870 ~~~~~~~~~~~ HD5870 - HD6970
Higher Performance ~~~Roughly 2x Performance ~~~~Oh-ho! Didn't think I'd catch that? Let me bold this one for you.
THE HD6870 DOES NOT COMPETE WITH THE HD5870

Oh yes, uhm.
255m^2 vs 529mm^2. 151watt power-draw vs 250watt power-draw. Haha...ahh...

 

[ares1214]

IIRC, 28nm process is being done late enough that it would be impossible to run off any new silicon on the new node within a decent time. I assume they'll slide Juniper into the HD6K category, possibly fine-tuning it for more performance..somehow?



http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125348&cm_re=6850-_-14-125-348-_-Product
Oh man, that HD6850 doesn't look custom one bit. Nor does it look like it beats a GTX46- OH WAIT, IT DOES. My bad. Why bother comparing an HD6870 to a GTX460?



Actually, the HD6850 tends to manage an 8%+ lead over the GTX460. That's enough for a half-tier, and CERTAINLY enough to justify purchasing that over a GTX460.

3870 - 4870 ~~~~~~~ 4870 - 5870 ~~~~~~~~~~~ HD5870 - HD6970
Higher Performance ~~~Roughly 2x Performance ~~~~Oh-ho! Didn't think I'd catch that? Let me bold this one for you.
THE HD6870 DOES NOT COMPETE WITH THE HD5870

Oh yes, uhm.
255m^2 vs 529mm^2. 151watt power-draw vs 250watt power-draw. Haha...ahh...

Very much so in agreement. Furthermore, if AMD can get an overall 5-10% driver performance increase, then its a no brainer. Let me rephrase that, more of a no brainer 😉

 

[AMW1011]

YAWN, thats why they bench a suite of games, because it represents the buyers experience. And pointing out games benchmarks where one card .9 fps or 1.4 is a wash.
Thats not a tier better, thats not a half a tier. Its certainly not next generation.

Which is what I said, and is what you were, possibly unintentionally, arguing against.

3870- to 4870 much higher performance- to 5870 - much higher performance 2x- to 6870- lower performance, LOL-

3870 to 4670 (midrange 4xxx series at release) smaller and lower performance for less money

4870 to 5770 slightly less performance for the same amount of money

5870 to 6870 (the midrange card this gen) slightly less performance for a great deal less money

Unless you are complaining about the naming scheme (Which REALLY deserves it), I don't see the point of your post.

Today, OF COURSE it is.
Every 6870 is 240.00
and TODAY you can get a custom coolered gtx 4601gb for 199.99 with another 20 dollar rebate. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814134117&cm_re=gtx_460_1gb-_-14-134-117-_-Product
Thats not fair to AMD though. I have said wait a couple weeks, and things price/performance will be more of a wash.

And yet a 6870 outperforms a GTX 460 pretty handily. All while the 6850 starting at $20 less up front is slightly faster in general and trades blows with it depending on the game.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

Lets also not forget, going from thre 4870 to the 4890 didnt bring great things, at the same node
Now, whos going to tell me that the 69xx cards areent going to kick thre 58xx series?

 

[notty22]

What are you trying to get at? MIRs don't ALWAYS COME.... Plus even after that rebate its the same price as the 6850. Plus the DirectCU and Gigabyte custom cooler for the 6850 is the same price. $179.99. Not to mention, if I read correctly, I think it was Hardware Canucks or Hexus that said it had a better price/performance, OH no it was techpowerup, said that the 6850 had a better price to performance ratio than the 460.

Which is what I said, and is what you were, possibly unintentionally, arguing against.



3870 to 4670 (midrange 4xxx series at release) smaller and lower performance for less money

4870 to 5770 slightly less performance for the same amount of money

5870 to 6870 (the midrange card this gen) slightly less performance for a great deal less money

Unless you are complaining about the naming scheme (Which REALLY deserves it), I don't see the point of your post.



And yet a 6870 outperforms a GTX 460 pretty handily. All while the 6850 starting at $20 less up front is slightly faster in general and trades blows with it depending on the game.

I don't see any point in your post, and it all goes back to your ignorant comments, that you used repeatedly. About Nvidia favored games.
Its akin to saying I would have a faster card if weren't for the bad drivers.
Fact of the matter is, you have to use the drivers and your most likely going to be playing one of the most popular games going.

edit: Reviewers may post anecdotal comments after listing each game and the results.
Point is, if a card performs better, its a PRO for that card. Its not a point to be dismissed.
Its taking a positive for one brand and insisting its a negative.

 

[mosox]

Anand made an attempt to clarify the thing, the issue caused quite a stir:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/3988/the-use-of-evgas-geforce-gtx-460-ftw-in-last-nights-review

I still think wasn't nice from nvidia to send to all the reviewers the EVGA GeForce GTX 460 FTW (for free) and to insist in being included in a review for the competition's products.

They (the reviewers) should have taken the cards, say thanks to nvidia and go on with the review as usual. Stock cards only. Or at least overclock those AMD reference cards they had like they did for the GTX 460 review:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/3809/nvidias-geforce-gtx-460-the-200-king/18

 

[ragingmercenary]

WHAT? I'm the one calling them out for their bias and I'm the fanboy now? They did it twice not once and of course only with Nvidia overclocked cards - both times - must be a coincidence. And all this while they claim they don't do that. And what 's that long list of "STOCK" thinghies - is this relevant for what? For the fact that you listed lots of ATI stock cards (of course) and Nvidia stock cards (that don't compete with the 6850/70)? They squeezed in that superclocked card right where it mattered.

And since when it's fair to compare OC parts with stock parts may I ask you? It's been a a shift in the hardware benching lately that I'm not aware of?



Wanna know what cards they'll have for the 6950/6970 review? Probably they'll feature those:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125338&cm_re=gtx_470-_-14-125-338-_-Product

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814500166&cm_re=gtx_480-_-14-500-166-_-Product

But, hey, it's fair in your book - if one doesn't agree he's a fanboy.

Look, I shouldn't have called you a fanboy without better cause and for that I apologize. But I think you still missed the point of what I was trying to say. My logic for them putting in and overclocked board was that it would be the same price as the 6870. Ok? That way, you have two cards of the same price, running the same benchmarks for a DIRECT comparison. Does that sound logical to you? If you're the consumer, it might be difficult to gauge which card has a better price/performance ratio if the price gap between two cards is forty dollars? Do you agree? That's why I think it is better to compare cards of the same price whether or not they are overclocked.

 

[AMW1011]

I don't see any point in your post, and it all goes back to your ignorant comments, that you used repeatedly. About Nvidia favored games.
Its akin to saying I would have a faster card if weren't for the bad drivers.
Fact of the matter is, you have to use the drivers and your most likely going to be playing one of the most popular games going.

Now your just annoying me. HERE IS WHAT I HAVE SAID:

1. I corrected you when you forgot that the 6870/6850 where midrange cards this gen.

2. I stated that you cannot use ONE GAME and declare that it represents the total performance across all games, like another poster did.

3. To back up number 2, I made the point that Modern Warfare 2 does better on nVidia hardware, which is undeniable, and that proves that you cannot make a general statement based on one test because they are all biased one way or another, which is also undeniable. NEVER DID I SAY THAT THE BENCHMARK WAS BAD, just that it could not be used to provide a sweeping generalization. It is no less valid than any benchmark that favors ATI, WHICH STILL CANNOT BE USED FOR A SWEEPING GENERALIZATION.

And as for your name calling, I have no patients for it. I haven't been aggressive towards you in anyway up until now.

edit: Reviewers may post anecdotal comments after listing each game and the results.
Point is, if a card performs better, its a PRO for that card. Its not a point to be dismissed.
Its taking a positive for one brand and insisting its a negative.

Once again you are arguing with a ghost. Never did I say that the game performing better on nVidia hardware was anything less than an advantage for nVidia, which is obvious.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

Those prices were lowered just now, otherwise, theyd be overpriced as usual

 

[benski]

Who cares if a card is factory overclocked if it's on the market it's valid for a review. I'm sure when factory overclock 6850/70s become available they will do other reviews. If a review is intended for consumers it should compare the cards available to consumers not limit themselves to cards that all run at stock clocks.

 

[mosox]

Look, I shouldn't have called you a fanboy without better cause and for that I apologize. But I think you still missed the point of what I was trying to say. My logic for them putting in and overclocked board was that it would be the same price as the 6870. Ok? That way, you have two cards of the same price, running the same benchmarks for a DIRECT comparison. Does that sound logical to you? If you're the consumer, it might be difficult to gauge which card has a better price/performance ratio if the price gap between two cards is forty dollars? Do you agree? That's why I think it is better to compare cards of the same price whether or not they are overclocked.

Yep say I'm a customer and two months from now I'll be reading the article: OMG, the $270 GTX 460 overclocked is better than that $250 Sapphire HD 6870 (Toxic)! I'm gonna get the 460!

Why not slash the HD 5870/5970 price in half for a few days when the GTX480 are launched? The prices are all over the place so they can't take that into account. They didn't even bother to overclock the BARTs like they did with the reference GTX 460 cards in their review.

And the prices for the 6850/70 are still high, those are the first prices, one can't include them into a review.

So, basically that review is good for a few weeks or so (until the overclocked BARTS hit the stores and their prices drop a little) what they will do next? They will update the review? I don't think so. That review id there to stay.

 

[ares1214]

Notty, if you still really are saying the 6850<460 1 gig, lets think. According to this:

It gets 14% better performance/$. According to the same folks, and many other sites, the 6850 is actually about 6% faster flat out. It uses less power. About the same temps, but we should be seeing some MSI at reference price soon enough. Lower cost. It can hit atleast 1030 MHz, an OC of 33%, same as the 460. I mean, im not really seeing any wins for the 460 here. Best cast scenario is that it ties a cheaper card, realistic scenario is that its worst than the cheaper card. And this is only day 2, it generally takes about a month for everything to be like normal.

 

[notty22]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.513966&nm_mc=AFC-SlickDeals&cm_mmc=AFC-SlickDeals-_-NA-_-NA-_-NA&AID=10521304&PID=3891137&SID=194r0

Gtx 460 SLI - 360.00-40.00 rebate=320.00
The prices are so low, that old argument about buying a certain way would only be done by the brand fanboys, I'm just saying.
Actually I think that bogus comment is about as logical as Nvidia favored games, and AMD favored games. Throw both out and you have no results/sarcasm.

 

[ares1214]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.513966&nm_mc=AFC-SlickDeals&cm_mmc=AFC-SlickDeals-_-NA-_-NA-_-NA&AID=10521304&PID=3891137&SID=194r0

Gtx 460 SLI - 360.00-40.00 rebate=320.00
The prices are so low, that old argument about buying a certain way would only be done by the brand fanboys, I'm just saying.
Actually I think that bogus comment is about as logical as Nvidia favored games, and AMD favored games. Throw both out and you have no results/sarcasm.

So basically find the shortest lasting deal imaginable, wait 3 weeks for a MIR that might not come, and OC them completely and you might get the same performance as 2 6850s...oh wait, i forgot their scaling beats the 460...You REALLY will do anything to not admit your wrong, wont you?

 

[mosox]

It's clear now at least for SLI/CF. If you want AM3 now you can CF without any loss compared to the 460 you don't have to use the motherboards with old nvidia chipsets anymore or switch to Intel.

Nvidia is still ahead in drivers/encoding and stuff and they are sitting on a pile of money too - plenty to make some very good stuff next year.

Also the competition and free market are working.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

OT, anyone wanting to try a driver tweak for MLAA on their 5xxx series cards look here
http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=331108