ATI Radeon 6000 seriers rumor to be released in october

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Popular Turkish website Donanimhaber has released an expected schedule for the release of ATI's Radeon HD 6000 series. The first HD 6000 GPU to be released will be the Radeon HD 6700 series, codenamed Barts. The HD 6700 is scheduled for a release as early as October. As suggested by the nomenclature, the HD 6700 will directly replace the HD 5700 series.

The HD 6700 release will be followed up by Cayman in November, expected to be branded as the ATI Radeon HD 6800 series, replacing the current HD 5800 series.

The flagship will be Antilles, and branded as the ATI Radeon HD 6970. Antilles, as expected, will be a dual-GPU Cayman. While the HD 5970 lowers clock speeds from the HD 5870, HD 6970 is expected to feature the same clock speeds as the HD 6870 - basically a HD 6870 in CF. This will be much like the HD 4870 X2. The Radeon HD 6970 is scheduled for December.
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I wonder if they do have different teams, or at least a very long driver development time, as sometimes you will see the hotfix drivers fix an issue and that solution isn't incorporated into the standard drivers for a couple generations - if ever. I guess the real question is - does everybody give the driver team detailed feedback every time they have an issue? Might not help, but you can't complain if you don't.
 
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Just make sure you add the correct brake pads or you'll end up in the wall as the stock pads on the Z and NISMO version aren't up to snuff. Kinda like getting that sweet new GPU that's cheaper than the other, but finding out that you had to up the fan speed with another program to keep it cool....
 
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I work for a software company and I know why we have issues with software updates/patches; it's because we "outsource" our work on specific parts to another company and THEY like to rotate people as they have high turnover. So there ends up being a learning curve every so often for the new member of the team. We have to request specific people if we want things done correctly.

Another issue we have, is hardware working so far ahead of software that we never have time to catch up because marketing is pushing so hard for new new new.

<sigh> now I feel like I'm venting.
 
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@ firebird
I supose this is the hub of it all really, the hardware is designed so far in advance of its actual release date there is zero chance of knowing what will work best with the games it ends up being used to play.
So on that basis you could say its a miracle the things work at all

Mactronix :)
 
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SA has a new article talking about Barts. Debating whether its going to need 256 bit interface to compete with the gtx 460. I was looking for a hint in there if they know what the new card will debut with, and if they were justifying the decision. ?
http://www.semiaccurate.com/2010/09/20/northern-islands-barts/
 
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Thanks for linking that notty 😀

I really don't think its about what it will need its just a quick and easy way for ATI to get more performance for basically nothing.
The 128 bit bus on the 5770 was always about hobbling the performance down to a set level to me.
Every test i have seen or review i have read that mentions it has concluded that the 5770 is indeed bandwidth "limited", not starved just "limited".
If its true that the 6700 series is basically a pimped 5770 core then its the obvious thing to do for me. Wider bus/ faster memory and clock up the chip. It was always on the cards really.
Remember when it came out and people were asking if there would be a 5790 with maybe a 192 bit bus ?
The same thinking goes for the 450 really, its on a 128 bit bus so that in my opinion when the 455 gets released it can be on a 192 bit bus and have a definite performance edge, take the 460 768 card out of circulation and your sorted.
Does it need a 256 bit bus to compete with a 460 ? Without question i would say yes, if we are looking at 5830/5850 performance then i would argue that if that kind of performance didn't need a 256 bit bus then the 5830 and 5850 would have been on a smaller bus.

Mactronix
 
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Yeah, pretty nice read. And considering all rumors point to barts having 256-bit, i dont think there is much to worry about. But in the unlikely, seemingly impossible event that it didnt, then either AMD is dumb, or they didnt design it specifically to go against the 460. 128 bit can only carry it so far....
 
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I'm getting a stronger vibe for November rather than October, although in some respects putting out the faster card early like mid-late October would make sense as it would take the focus of off the 460's if they priced it right and it performed.
This would wet the appetite for the lower spec ed mid range cards for the holiday period/November.

Mactronix :)
 
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I'd imagine it took clocking it to 900mhz to beat the gtx 460 and probably compare with the current 5850. It does not mean much without a clue on the pricing. Is it closer to 200 or 260 ?
I'm referring to the hd 6770.
New architecture means new driver territory.
 
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Well I tell you what mate if thats right then AMD are taking the royal piss calling that card a 67 anything :pfff:
If that info is correct then its just a rejigged 5870 with the new 4 SP arch instead of the 5 SP arch, that being the case then no *** Sherlock if it does beat the 5850 and gets close to the 5870.

I tell you seriously they are getting as bad as Nvidia used to be talk about roll reversal.
I'm assuming they plan to call that a mid range card now then and just up the SP count on the 68 whatever's and tack on a shed load more cost to the boards.

I appreciate that on a performance basis the cards may well merit the cost when compared to what the last generation cost and could do. The thing that really gets to me is that we (the consumer) never get to see any of the cost benefit of the shrinks or streamlining that results in cheaper costs to the manufactures.

Mactronix :)
 
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So you are angered by that info? If its the naming, yeah, i have no idea whats going on. @ Notty, actually, no, the 6750 is suppose to just beat the 460 1 gig. So the 900 MHz has nothing to do with that. Pricing matters of course, but AMD isnt stupid, they would price these to compete. Unless they are stupid... 😗
 
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If the info is right then to me the card should be a 6830, going on performance curves that we are used to seeing from generation to generation. I understand this is if true a differant Arch but its still not a good enough boost to make it a 6850 so im guessing AMD are just calling it a 6770 so that people will think that "Wow its a X770 card then it must be a huge leap in performance" when it just plain isnt.
AMD are basically doing what nvidia did with the change from the GF100 to the GF104. that being making the Arch less complicated and getting a decent performance boost from it.
I guess its a little early to get to agrevated by it as the price will be the last piece of the puzzle and it is all rumour still.However in truth i cant see AMD passing on the savings the same as Nvidia have.


Mactronix
 
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It all depends on what clock speed the gtx 460 is used as comparison. Nvidia muddied the waters for price justification for the 675mhz shared by some 768mb and 1gb cards. But some models not priced any higher are now 750 , 810mhz. At 810 the 460 compares to a stock 5850.
IMO, the overclocking results and final pricing of the 6770 willl be the factors of whether its a good, great or awesome card.
We all know what the gtx 460@900mhz can do ? What will be the limits of this ?
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Yes, but overclocking the 460 33% would obviously bump it up to a much higher performance level. Its like me saying the 6770 at 1200 MHz does some crazily amazing thing! :lol: If it reaches 1200 MHz :ange: But i doubt it. 1050 is where i guess for normal, maybe up to 1150 as time goes on at MAX. But those arent bad. Im just guessing though. Now all we need is pricing, temps, overclocking, and power consumption, and we have ourselves all the info. And @ Mac. If they call this the 6770, i dont mind. If the 6770 does xx% amount over the 5770, and the 6870 does a similar amount over the 5870, it really doesnt matter to me! :lol:
 
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I was just stating the clocks situation. Obviously some don't overclock. So the performance of whatever card they choose will be what they get.
But if this card is clocked @900mhz it might have been done to justify a higher price tag. The exact opposite of Nvidia positioning the gtx 460 at the 200 dollar price point. With its 675 'stock' model. It keeps it away from a stock gtx 470 and not beating up on the gtx 465 to badly.
 
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Perhaps these cards just can get clocked higher? Somewhat less like what AMD is doing now, clocking CPU's higher out of necessity, and more like P4, where they just happened to have higher clocks. It really isnt much of an increase in any event, only 50 MHz on the core clock, and taking away 150 Mhz on the memory clock. It has a 4.2 GHz data rate, where as the 5770 had 4.8 GHz, as did the 5870, and the 5850 had 4 GHz. So i wouldnt really call it a clock increase to justify a higher price tag. And if they OC the same 15-30%, then im not complaining! :lol:
 
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:lol: :lol: :lol: While it may seem like wishful thinking, this seems like about what we are going to get. Even though it will likely be treated more like a 5830/5850, and just named 6770 to show more progress. AMD basically moved the big gap down a spot in their performance lineup, so now the difference between 66xx and 67xx would be very large. Perhaps this makes sense with Fusion coming, AMD making room. But my guess is around GTX 470 performance at launch for 6770, GTX 460 for 6750, and after maturing, non-reference, and drivers, we will see 5870 like performance. Not too shabby :) Now i hope NV has an answer to this...

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/video/display/20100922214436_Nvidia_Vows_Fermi_Refresh_in_2011_Top_to_Bottom_Ramp_Up_of_New_Architectures_in_Three_Months.html

Now that deserves the wishful thinking picture! NV refresh fermi, definitely, but within 3 months and top to bottom, doubtful IMO.

 
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