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Hi !

I want to build my first rig ans i don't know what to choose for my mobo. here's what I want and dont !

1) i5 ivy bridge processor (3450, 3470 or 3550)

2) No OC

3) Single gpu (radeon 7850 or 7970 for now)

4) SSD 128 gb + one hdd of 1 tb

5)Case with front USB 3.0

6) Brands: asrock, asus or Gigabyte ( MSI ?)

From what I kno Z77 board isn'rt need for my usage, Now is there a big difference between b75 and h77 ?

I live in canada so maube some board are not avbaible gere, but can anyone suggest me some ?

Last question, I plan to go with a mid tower, is it best to go with atx board or a matx do the trick ? I notice tha Matx boards tends to be cheaper.

Thanks !
 
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The B75 is more a 'business' orientated chipset with SBA (security), and no OC of either CPU or RAM; the H77 is more consumer oriented with SRT (Smart Response Technology), and OC of RAM (Ivy Bridge only) but no CPU OC.

If your plan is to use the SSD + HDD as a cache then yes you'd need the H77 chipset for SRT.

Frankly, if considering the HD 7970 then my picks would be an unlocked (K) Sandy Bridge or Ivy Bridge CPU and the Z77. A cheap but decent example is the ASRock Z77 Extreme4. Folks mistakenly think they need to OC a CPU to it's limits which simply isn't true and for 'free' (cost of aftermarket HSF) a small CPU OC can extend the usefulness of a PC. Most BIOS offer 'Profiles' where you can be running Stock -> to OC in the space of time to reboot.
 
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My Asrock B75M-DGS Motherboard was great for my setup and cheap. I didn't install any of the Intel Business solution software but it does have SRT, which I have no use for. I won't be upgrading until Haswell so I have no need for h77 / z77.

It supports Ivy Bridge, SRT, Hyper Threading, USB 3.0, SATA 6gb/s, PCIE 3.0 with an IB CPU.
 
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Some people don't want to have the increased heat and noise and power consumption associated with overclocking. In which case, H77 is probably just fine. with your needs microatx motherboard is also probably fine. full atx usually has multiple x16 slots for xfire or SLI and 4 DIMM slots, but 2x4GB is sufficient for most needs (although a few matx boards have 4 dimm slots, and a few even have capability for xfire/sli)
 
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Thanks for those answers.

SRT...I don't know what it's the use of that option, the same thing goes for caching with ssd. My plan was to get an ssd for faster booting of windows and to put some programs on it and maybe some games.

Raid...IT,s teh same I don't know what raid is supposed to be use for !

OC..Like i've said I don't want to unclock. A 3570k is 40$ more than the 3450, z77 is pricier and I have to add another fan. So it's more expensive.

I've read that something games doesn't take the advantage of sli/xfire so I plan to go with a single gpu all the time. And i'm not considering the 7970 for now it's too expensive (I meant 7870 in my first post). and b75 or h77 can't support that kind of card ?

Does matx heat more ? I've read that It can be harder to cool.

Any brand recommendation ?
 
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If you're looking to build a simple no muss no fuss system, you're not OC'ing, running single HDD, single Video Card, you can't go wrong with either the B75 or H77.

Some games have issues with SLI / X Fire but in most cases a single GPU setup is just fine.

Where did you hear that MATX motherboards are harder to cool / produce more heat?
 
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I'm going off Intel's chipset information:
H77 - http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/chipsets/mainstream-chipsets/chipset-h77.html
B75 - http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/chipsets/business-chipsets/b75-express-chipset.html
Overview - http://www.cpu-world.com/news_2012/2012041101_Intel_Launches_7-Series_Chipsets.html

Intel® Smart Response Technology (SRT) is omitted (-) from the B75, and offered (+) on the H77. So if a B75 lists SRT then I'd see if it's an Intel solution or a Third-party.

ASRock B75M-DGS
"Supports Intel Smart Connect, Intel Rapid Start, Intel Small Business Advantage"
...not a mention of Smart Response Technology (SRT)...
 
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You sir, are absolutely correct. It's Intels RST Rapid Start Technology. I saw RST as SRT...dyslexia on the acronym. My apologies.
 
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Well very (very) few games don't take advantages of CF/SLI, and just like most games don't require an HD 7970 to run smoothly. Also, the newer GPU's AMD HD 7000 and GTX 600 series scale very well. So if this is a dollar and cents thing Intel 4-core e.g. i5 and more than likely (9.9/10) you don't need a ~$400 GPU. So your thought process doesn't add up. Again, you do not need to OC a (K) CPU, but 'IF' there comes a day when your stock clock does (it will) becomes a 'bottleneck' then you have the option to OC.

Some games like BF3 are GPU based, but many games rely on CPU performance (e.g. Physics) and no matter what GPU or GPU(s) you throw at the CPU 'bottleneck' GPU's alone cannot overcome the disparity. Games like Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim are very CPU intensive and the same CPU (Stock vs OC) can add 10%~20% rendering performance (FPS).

Also, whether your games run off a SSD (high $/GB) or HDD (low $/GB) won't change the rendering (FPS) and only loading times are affected and less than you'd think in most cases. So I'd use the SSD for the OS, Apps, Working data and maybe a couple of games you play regularly.

As far as ATX vs mATX, I'm not a fan of mATX unless you need or want a small case that requires a small MOBO. In most instances mATX less (smaller) means less: VRM, Features, Options.
 
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You guys are very helpfull thanks for that !

Can someone explain me the use of srt ?

and about brands is there anyone better than another ?

One last thing about OC, I know is not that hard and everything but the day that my computer wont be enough to play i'll get a brand new system instead of going thrird of the road solution.

And using my ssd for booting windows and for some programs/games is exactly what I want to do.
 
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Smart Response Technology (SRT) is using the SSD as a 'Cache' to the HDD and effectively both drives appear as one drive, the HDD. Frequently used data gets copied to the SSD including the parts of the OS to operate at SSD speeds. The affects of acceleration are limited to the SSD's size and limits of (SRT) which is 64GB max. There are third-party options with no limits in SSD 'size'.

Examples - http://www.anandtech.com/show/4329/intel-z68-chipset-smart-response-technology-ssd-caching-review/4

Don't get me wrong, SRT or its equivalents has it's uses. Ideally my preference is to have a 128GB or larger (preferably larger) dedicated SSD where everything is always accelerated. Also, one drawback of SRT is the SSD's reduced lifespan from excessive writing of cached data. A dedicated SSD will have significantly less writes and hence a longer lifespan. Also, a myth is SSD's lifespan's and in the average consumer setting your SSD will outlive any mechanical HDD.
 
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Ok so, giving the fact that I will get an ssd of 128 gb I really don't need that option on my mobo. I'll check the price for black friday if the h77 cost the same than the b75 i'll go with the h77.

Once again, brands recommendations ?
 
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Frankly, if considering the HD 7970 then my picks would be an unlocked (K) Sandy Bridge or Ivy Bridge CPU and the Z77. A cheap but decent example is the ASRock Z77 Extreme4.
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I have no firsthand experience with either B75 or H77, but for LGA 1155 my first pick is ASUS then either Gigabyte or MSI.

$90 ASUS P8B75-V - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131835
 
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Jaquith

from your posts i have understood that you know a lot,please help me with what chipset is best for me,i am planning to play some heavy gaming but in a 1280 x 1024 resolution (at least for now) i have fixed 1 gb ddr5 radeon 7750,i5 3457/3470 but cant decide which chiset to go for,b75,h77 or z77,

this is the scenario.......

i can afford maximum 7000 inr on a motherboard which will get me asrock z77 pro3,asrock h77 mvp is below that but only by 400 inr which is pushing me to think its better to go for z77 if its only 400 inr costlier,b75 however is lot cheaper,only inr 4000.....

now these r the questions in my mind i need your expertise in...
1..heavy gaming occasionally in low resolution,is b75 enough for it??
2..is it worth going for h77 when z77 is just just and just marginally costlier than h77 here in india and i can afford a z77 ??
3..if you suggest a b75 then then is it worth investing the extra 3000 inr on a better g-card???
4..please detail me the cpu and g-card upgrade options in all three chipsets,as i am not planning to,but in case i upgrade in next 2 years i dont want to build a full system again from scratch...


PLZ HELP ME WITH YOUR EXPERTISE
 
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For high end gaming/low end gaming, chipset dosent fact. Unless you use some high end hardware.

For your 7750 any of these chipset is enough(B75, z77, h77). They all perform same in gaming with 7750 as they all have PCIe 3.0.

As you are picking non-oc edition cpu, h77/b75 is enough. Choose b75/h77 as budget fits you. But B75 will give you everything you need.
 
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