Question Battlemage 580?

[edward78]

I have a EVGA RTX 3060Ti, any reason to upgrade? I Play Games like Mortal Online2. I have AMD Ryzen 7 5800X 8-core, 16-Thread Unlocked 4.7 GH.

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[Lutfij]

I wouldn't invest in anything. Perhaps save up for something much better.

 

[Eximo]

I think it wouldn't be worth it. On the average the B580 is about the same or sometimes significantly below the 3060 Ti performance in games. Very title dependent, but it seems for the most part to slide right in between the 4060 Ti and 3060 Ti, and for older game engines, like 15-20% slower.

 

[edward78]

Will the B7xx be worth it you think?

 

[Eximo]

Will the B7xx be worth it you think?

I don't think more Battlemage cards are being planned. The performance to silicon cost ratio isn't ideal for a product that might compete with the 9070 and 5070.

B580 is a much smaller die than the A580/A750/A770 die. If they had planned something larger, it would have appeared by now.

Rumors suggest a 2025 launch for Celestial with desktop cards possibly early 2026. This would be back on Intel foundries using the 18A process node, rather than continuing to farm it out to TSMC. Bolstering this news a little was a suggestion that Nvidia was looking at moving the gaming cards over to Intel 18A as well, and leaving TSMC advanced nodes for AI and datacenter production.

 

[Eximo]

For reference:

4060Ti = 187.8mm2 128bit (4352 CUDA cores)
RTX 4070 = 294mm2 192 bit (5888 CUDA cores)
RTX 5070 = 263mm2 192bit (6144 CUDA cores)
B580/B570 = 272mm2 192bit (20Xe cores, 2560 shaders)
9070XT/9070 = 356.5mm2 256bit (56/64 CUs, 3584/4096 shaders)
5070Ti/5080 = 378mm2 256bit (8960/10752 CUDA cores)
A770 = 406mm2 16GB 256bit (32Xe cores, 4096 shaders)

Maximum size "B770" at 406mm would be about 30 Xe cores (28 more likely to make room for larger memory bus) That would be 3584 shaders, so just around the size of the 9070 for about the same silicon size. At $600 it would have to be better than the 9070 to make any sense at all. (Rumors exist for a full 32 Xe Core chip, but only rumors, never showed up in driver packages or shipping manifests like other cards that are soon to launch)

With the B580 trailing behind the 9070 by at around 40-50%, it would be comparable to them. Which is right around the expected 4070 like performance estimated for big Battlemage. Basically, it would compete with mid-tier and last gen mid-tier and be more expensive to make. A non-starter. If they had launched it before 9000 and 50 series, maybe.

Conceivably they could release it anyway, and garner more gamer support by selling it cheaply like they did with the Alchemist and Battlemage, but that is doubtful.

I expect Intel will either cancel gaming desktop GPUs and focus Celestial on iGPU or move back to their own fabs to make the GPUs at least palatable in terms of cost. Having to outsource the GPU production ruins their profit margins.

 

[edward78]

For reference:

4060Ti = 187.8mm2 128bit (4352 CUDA cores)
RTX 4070 = 294mm2 192 bit (5888 CUDA cores)
RTX 5070 = 263mm2 192bit (6144 CUDA cores)
B580/B570 = 272mm2 192bit (20Xe cores, 2560 shaders)
9070XT/9070 = 356.5mm2 256bit (56/64 CUs, 3584/4096 shaders)
5070Ti/5080 = 378mm2 256bit (8960/10752 CUDA cores)
A770 = 406mm2 16GB 256bit (32Xe cores, 4096 shaders)

Maximum size "B770" at 406mm would be about 30 Xe cores (28 more likely to make room for larger memory bus) That would be 3584 shaders, so just around the size of the 9070 for about the same silicon size. At $600 it would have to be better than the 9070 to make any sense at all. (Rumors exist for a full 32 Xe Core chip, but only rumors, never showed up in driver packages or shipping manifests like other cards that are soon to launch)

With the B580 trailing behind the 9070 by at around 40-50%, it would be comparable to them. Which is right around the expected 4070 like performance estimated for big Battlemage. Basically, it would compete with mid-tier and last gen mid-tier and be more expensive to make. A non-starter. If they had launched it before 9000 and 50 series, maybe.

Conceivably they could release it anyway, and garner more gamer support by selling it cheaply like they did with the Alchemist and Battlemage, but that is doubtful.

I expect Intel will either cancel gaming desktop GPUs and focus Celestial on iGPU or move back to their own fabs to make the GPUs at least palatable in terms of cost. Having to outsource the GPU production ruins their profit margins.

I hope this isn't the end of dGPUs from Intel the other guys want so much for new cards.

 

[Eximo]

I've been wanting to buy the next big Intel GPU for a while now. I don't really need more performance at the moment and would just like to try something new.

I have an A380 that I tinker with occasionally.

9070 isn't looking too bad either. After seeing some of the undervolt results, pretty impressive. Not to mention the recent news that you can force a 9070 XT BIOS on there and get 320W out of them (though I would actively avoid that at this point)