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horaciopz
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[citation][nom]blubbey[/nom]People are missing the entire point of this. This is not a card for you or I. This is not a value card. This is at $1k for pure profit. This is an e-peen card, pure and simple.[/citation]
Indeed.
Actually I do not aplaud what Nvidia did with this card, but lets say... Your Mustang cost $100 k and can get 1/4 mile in less than 10 seg, and My ferrari cost about $300 k and can get 1/4 mile in more than 10 seg... But I got a ferrari. Well This is how this card was meant. It not a good performance/price competitor, but as the Ares II, Mars II and etc, those are niche cards just for profit also the so called "fastest single GPU card of the world" title. You want it, you gotta pay for it.
Indeed.
Actually I do not aplaud what Nvidia did with this card, but lets say... Your Mustang cost $100 k and can get 1/4 mile in less than 10 seg, and My ferrari cost about $300 k and can get 1/4 mile in more than 10 seg... But I got a ferrari. Well This is how this card was meant. It not a good performance/price competitor, but as the Ares II, Mars II and etc, those are niche cards just for profit also the so called "fastest single GPU card of the world" title. You want it, you gotta pay for it.
[citation][nom]BigMack70[/nom]You'd have to be careful with that... quad-SLI is notoriously finnicky in games. I would take two Titans over 4 680s.[/citation]
^+1 Cf/sli two cards of the current generation typically see ~70-80% gain whereas the addition of a third gives ~5% or less. The fourth will give you that extra 1% fps gain or maybe not at the expense of your wallet and psu. Two cards is the most I'll ever go. Three if I am desperate. But I gotta say the 3way sli with the Titan scales better than any other gpu.
^+1 Cf/sli two cards of the current generation typically see ~70-80% gain whereas the addition of a third gives ~5% or less. The fourth will give you that extra 1% fps gain or maybe not at the expense of your wallet and psu. Two cards is the most I'll ever go. Three if I am desperate. But I gotta say the 3way sli with the Titan scales better than any other gpu.
Could one say that this card exists b/c some of its bits did not past muster for what they were intended for? Cards like the 7870 LE and gtx 560 ti 488 come to mind.
When I look at AMD does with price of the 7870 LE and what Green does with the Titan it makes me like AMD just at much more and I have always only owned Green Team cards. Sure the Titan does work well and at the level that it does it job it should not be cheap, but 1k? At least give it a kick ass crazy bundle.
When I look at AMD does with price of the 7870 LE and what Green does with the Titan it makes me like AMD just at much more and I have always only owned Green Team cards. Sure the Titan does work well and at the level that it does it job it should not be cheap, but 1k? At least give it a kick ass crazy bundle.
Even if this is a GeForce GPU review, it blows my mind how the 7970 is constantly FASTER and a LOWER price point than the 680.
After these benchmarks, I don't give a damn about GeForces. Gimme a pair of 7970, especially when they cost lest than a Titan or 690 and they outperform both by a wide margin.
After these benchmarks, I don't give a damn about GeForces. Gimme a pair of 7970, especially when they cost lest than a Titan or 690 and they outperform both by a wide margin.
ubercake
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Good comparison. Depending on the resolution and game 3 titans should be by far the longest bar when in some cases we're seeing single percentage differences between 3x680s or 3x7970s and 3xTitans??? I like having the top single GPU card, but this is one I won't touch. It must be meant for things beyond gaming (video editing or CAD?)?
azraa
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If you want compute on a 1000USD gpu, then you should be considering a professional card.
If you want compute anyway, you should probably use the 500 series from nvidia. It was way better in the last generation.
As I have said a hundred times, AMD won this generations, hands down.
If you want compute anyway, you should probably use the 500 series from nvidia. It was way better in the last generation.
As I have said a hundred times, AMD won this generations, hands down.
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"We did bring these issues up with Nvidia, and were told that they all stem from its driver. Fortunately, that means we should see fixes soon."
They better tell the truth on that one, because the compute part is truly dissapointing!
I'm not jumping out of my chair for the gaming performance either but that's more tolerable.
Unfortunately, the price isn't! I'm sorry but for a 1000 bucks, it should've smoked everything!
NO EXCUSES ACCEPTABLE AT THIS POINT! I mean a 7970 still kicks its ass in compute??? WTF???
They better tell the truth on that one, because the compute part is truly dissapointing!
I'm not jumping out of my chair for the gaming performance either but that's more tolerable.
Unfortunately, the price isn't! I'm sorry but for a 1000 bucks, it should've smoked everything!
NO EXCUSES ACCEPTABLE AT THIS POINT! I mean a 7970 still kicks its ass in compute??? WTF???
94_xj
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Lots of double precision computing power for $1000. This card is a great value when compared to a Quadro/Tesla/FireGL with the same power. This is a fraction of what a Quadro would cost and the only "consumer level" card with DP computing unlocked. Again, for that I say it's a bargain.
[citation][nom]azraa[/nom]If you want compute on a 1000USD gpu, then you should be considering a professional card.If you want compute anyway, you should probably use the 500 series from nvidia. It was way better in the last generation.As I have said a hundred times, AMD won this generations, hands down.[/citation]that is on top of their most broken GCN GPU with ROP bottlenecked 7900. Had they make a 48 ROP 7900, the performance will be much closer lol.
blazorthon
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[citation][nom]maxinexus[/nom]Yes you can! CF 7950 or maybe even 7870 and you have Titan performance for much less[/citation]
7870 XT with the promo that tom's was talking about would be two 7870 XTs (granted they'd be Powercolor instead of a better Sapphire model) for about $420. Throw in decent components otherwise and you can beat Titan with a whole system under it in price, lol. Even 7870 GHz Editions can do that job if good deals on 7870 XT cards aren't going around at the time.
[citation][nom]au_equus[/nom]^+1 Cf/sli two cards of the current generation typically see ~70-80% gain whereas the addition of a third gives ~5% or less. The fourth will give you that extra 1% fps gain or maybe not at the expense of your wallet and psu. Two cards is the most I'll ever go. Three if I am desperate. But I gotta say the 3way sli with the Titan scales better than any other gpu.[/citation]
Actually, three-way systems tend to scale decently nowadays from what I've seen. Still usually not as well as dual-GPU systems, but not bad around 35-45% over the dual GPU setup isn't rare and it's good.
7870 XT with the promo that tom's was talking about would be two 7870 XTs (granted they'd be Powercolor instead of a better Sapphire model) for about $420. Throw in decent components otherwise and you can beat Titan with a whole system under it in price, lol. Even 7870 GHz Editions can do that job if good deals on 7870 XT cards aren't going around at the time.
[citation][nom]au_equus[/nom]^+1 Cf/sli two cards of the current generation typically see ~70-80% gain whereas the addition of a third gives ~5% or less. The fourth will give you that extra 1% fps gain or maybe not at the expense of your wallet and psu. Two cards is the most I'll ever go. Three if I am desperate. But I gotta say the 3way sli with the Titan scales better than any other gpu.[/citation]
Actually, three-way systems tend to scale decently nowadays from what I've seen. Still usually not as well as dual-GPU systems, but not bad around 35-45% over the dual GPU setup isn't rare and it's good.
horaciopz is 100% right this card is for those with money to burn and want the best. If you're building a Sandy Bridge-E system and the guy says get me the fastest VGA card, money is no object you pop one or two of these bad boys in. He'll want the latest and greatest not a card released last year. I know a guy that built such a system last year and he gets 7.8 on the Windows exp rating, my system with a i5-3570K cost 1/4 to 1/3 as much and rates 7.2 on the same scale. But he wanted the best so he was willing to pay for it. I say GOD BLESS THOSE GUYS!!; lol.
[citation][nom]blazorthon[/nom]Actually, three-way systems tend to scale decently nowadays from what I've seen. Still usually not as well as dual-GPU systems, but not bad around 35-45% over the dual GPU setup isn't rare and it's good.[/citation]infact 3 card system have less shuttering problems than 2. So there is really no reason to get 2 Titans over 3 7970/680. Infact I think we could even get away with 3x 7950/670 and still outperform 2 titans + doing better in microshuttering.
blazorthon
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[citation][nom]rantoc[/nom]Its simply to expensive for its performance even when its the fastest single gpu card, traditionally nVidia have had this kind of monolithic gpu's but in the price range of the current 680. Today's 680 is not a real card worthy of the name 680 - let me explain! Both 480 & 580 were the compute AND 3d gfx cards. The 680 is stripped down computing wise and aimed mostly as 3d card. The titan should have been the real 680 but nVidia lacked the competition at the time of release so they could delay the "real 680" and set the stripped down 680 at the full price area (for both compute and 3d card) to milk the series longer and when they finally released the real card its done at a price point that's far above the usual monolithic SINGLE gpu cards, no wonder why Amd does better and better in the 3d arena...Use to end up with 2x of the best single gpu cards in my rigg's from both camps but no way ill buy a single gpu card at that price point, its like many have said - Its more of an e-peen price point than value.FYI i own both 680's sli and 7970's xf in my rigs - Both does great![/citation]
It could have been a throw-back to GTX 200 versus Radeon 4000 as far as performance comparisons go- AMD wouldn't be able to matc hthe top nor even the second top single GPU card from Nvidia in performance, but they could drop pricing on their cards and kill Nvidia in value while having dual-GPU cards that are still competitive with Nvidia's dual-GPU cards. Nvidia seems to have realized how that type of situation makes them less money, lol. Honestly, I can't fault them much for avoiding that sort of situation. That situation, quite honestly, sucks for Nvidia and it wouldn't be fair to expect it from them. Still, Nvidia could have transitioned better...
For example, they could have made the compute of their more affordable cards at least more in-line (relatively) with the lower end cards from the previous generations instead of almost completely abandoning it and it wouldn't have cost them much.
It could have been a throw-back to GTX 200 versus Radeon 4000 as far as performance comparisons go- AMD wouldn't be able to matc hthe top nor even the second top single GPU card from Nvidia in performance, but they could drop pricing on their cards and kill Nvidia in value while having dual-GPU cards that are still competitive with Nvidia's dual-GPU cards. Nvidia seems to have realized how that type of situation makes them less money, lol. Honestly, I can't fault them much for avoiding that sort of situation. That situation, quite honestly, sucks for Nvidia and it wouldn't be fair to expect it from them. Still, Nvidia could have transitioned better...
For example, they could have made the compute of their more affordable cards at least more in-line (relatively) with the lower end cards from the previous generations instead of almost completely abandoning it and it wouldn't have cost them much.
blazorthon
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[citation][nom]tomfreak[/nom]infact 3 card system have less shuttering problems than 2. So there is really no reason to get 2 Titans over 3 7970/680. Infact I think we could even get away with 3x 7950/670 and still outperform 2 titans + doing better in microshuttering.[/citation]
That is also true, but it's beside my point rather than for or against it
That is also true, but it's beside my point rather than for or against it
blazorthon
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[citation][nom]tomfreak[/nom]that is on top of their most broken GCN GPU with ROP bottlenecked 7900. Had they make a 48 ROP 7900, the performance will be much closer lol.[/citation]
Considering that ROPs are the bottle-neck for stuff such as MSAA and similar affects and how Radeon 7900 does so well with them, I'm inclined to think that it really isn't ROP-bottle-necked.
Considering that ROPs are the bottle-neck for stuff such as MSAA and similar affects and how Radeon 7900 does so well with them, I'm inclined to think that it really isn't ROP-bottle-necked.
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