Best $850 PC CAD

[Hochothecreamdog]

I have never built a pc before, and I am wondering what the best $650 pc is.
I plan on overclocking cpu and gpu.
This is my current Idea http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/cD46dC
Does anyone have any ideas or recommendations?
My currency is Canadian Dollars. I am willing to use mail in rebates.

 

[Hochothecreamdog]

Beefier CPU + better mobo - http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/LbdBYJ

8320 will not perform better in most games compared to an i3, and also, that mobo is just down right terrible, its the LE version, which has no heatsinks on the vrms so overclocking will not be possible.

Thank you for telling me.

 

[Vici0us]

Beefier CPU + better mobo - http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/LbdBYJ

8320 will not perform better in most games compared to an i3, and also, that mobo is just down right terrible, its the LE version, which has no heatsinks on the vrms so overclocking will not be possible.

Wrong! I've overclocked an 8 core chip on that board from 3.1GHz to 4.3GHz. It's been a year and a half and it's as stable as can be. I've had zero problems with this mobo and it's great for a budget board and great for overclocking.

 

[LookItsRain]

Beefier CPU + better mobo - http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/LbdBYJ

8320 will not perform better in most games compared to an i3, and also, that mobo is just down right terrible, its the LE version, which has no heatsinks on the vrms so overclocking will not be possible.

Wrong! I've overclocked an 8 core chip on that board from 3.1GHz to 4.3GHz. It's been a year and a half and it's as stable as can be. I've had zero problems with this mobo and it's great for a budget board and great for overclocking.

Im assuming you had a larger case with better airflow, and a nice cpu cooler to assist in VRM cooling compared to what the OP is buying, and got lucky on the quality of the mobo. Many people around the internets have burnt out these boards even with 4 core fx processors.

To stay with amd, there are much better boards than the LE for the same price.

 

[Vici0us]

Beefier CPU + better mobo - http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/LbdBYJ

8320 will not perform better in most games compared to an i3, and also, that mobo is just down right terrible, its the LE version, which has no heatsinks on the vrms so overclocking will not be possible.

Wrong! I've overclocked an 8 core chip on that board from 3.1GHz to 4.3GHz. It's been a year and a half and it's as stable as can be. I've had zero problems with this mobo and it's great for a budget board and great for overclocking.

Im assuming you had a larger case with better airflow, and a nice cpu cooler to assist in VRM cooling compared to what the OP is buying, and got lucky on the quality of the mobo. Many people around the internets have burnt out these boards even with 4 core fx processors.

To stay with amd, there are much better boards than the LE for the same price.

That build I made is with Antec GX700 and a $30 Silverstone air cooler, nothing special.

 

[Hochothecreamdog]

How will the i3 compare to my mid-2013 MacBook Air's i7?

 

[LookItsRain]

=1435&cmp[]=2317]http://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare.php?cmp[]=1435&cmp[]=2317

Fair bit faster.

 

[Hochothecreamdog]

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare.php?cmp[]=1435&cmp[]=2317

Fair bit faster.

I know that the i7 is ultrabook class, but it doesn't seem right that a i3 could perform better

 

[LucoTF]

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare.php?cmp[]=1435&cmp[]=2317

Fair bit faster.

I know that the i7 is ultrabook class, but it doesn't seem right that a i3 could perform better

Why not? They are both hyperthreaded dual cores

 

[Hochothecreamdog]

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare.php?cmp[]=1435&cmp[]=2317

Fair bit faster.

I know that the i7 is ultrabook class, but it doesn't seem right that a i3 could perform better

Why not? They are both hyperthreaded dual cores

ok thank you

 

[LucoTF]

I know it can be a bit confusing, because mobile architecture follows different naming to desktop. Some mobile i7s have 4 cores and 8 threads, just like desktop. But while all desktop i3's are two core, four thread for mobile you can get dual core i3, i5 and i7:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haswell_(microarchitecture)#Mobile_processors

 

[Hochothecreamdog]

I know it can be a bit confusing, because mobile architecture follows different naming to desktop. Some mobile i7s have 4 cores and 8 threads, just like desktop. But while all desktop i3's are two core, four thread for mobile you can get dual core i3, i5 and i7:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haswell_(microarchitecture)#Mobile_processors

Thank you. Will I see a disadvantage with the i3 in multithreaded tasks such as battlefield 4 against the fx-6300 overclocked?

 

[LucoTF]

Actually yes, the FX-6300 will give slightly better framerates in BF4 and Crysis 3, those are two games that can multithread very well.

In most other games the i3 comes out on top, for watch dogs the FPS would be very similar and for any other games I invite you to check the benchmarks.

 

[Hochothecreamdog]

How far ahead would the fx be in battlefield and crysis. I actually think that I'll be getting into those two mainly. I probably can't even afford watch dogs and gta for a long time, so I mainly want to focus on battlefield and crysis.

 

[LucoTF]

I think unless your monitor is over 60hz you wouldn't notice much between them as they should both be pushing toward 60fps on each game

 

[Hochothecreamdog]

I think unless your monitor is over 60hz you wouldn't notice much between them as they should both be pushing toward 60fps on each game

My monitor is an old 1280 x 1024, and isn't 16:9 aspect ratio, and I will be using it at 60hz, but if I can max games out, I will be able bump it up to 75hz. do you think that it is worth doing this build:
http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/HHXxCJ
rather than this build:
http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/MgjmK8
for the extra couple fps in battlefield and crysis? I also understand that as for build options, I will be using radeon hardware, that I will be able to use the mantle api for more fps, and less cpu stress. Is it worth using the mantle api rather than directx 11?

 

[LucoTF]

I think the FX is best for you, but I'd change the cooler and motherboard slightly:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor ($124.99 @ NCIX)
CPU Cooler: RAIJINTEK THEMIS 65.7 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($27.99 @ NCIX)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-970A-UD3P ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($109.98 @ DirectCanada)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($58.98 @ DirectCanada)
Video Card: MSI Radeon R9 280 3GB TWIN FROZR Video Card ($254.98 @ Newegg Canada)
Case: Corsair 200R ATX Mid Tower Case ($69.95 @ Vuugo)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($72.98 @ NCIX)
Wireless Network Adapter: StarTech PCI300WN2X2 802.11b/g/n PCI Wi-Fi Adapter ($21.08 @ Amazon Canada)
Other: Windows 8.1 Pro for Students ($69.99)
Other: Mushkin Enhanced Silverline 8GB (2 x 4GB) ($74.99)
Total: $885.91
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-03-17 05:30 EDT-0400

This actually comes out the same price as the i3 build, but for outright performance this cpu + mobo combo is going to win for BF4 + C3 multiplayer. The raijintek cooler is easier to mount than the evo, slightly cheaper, and runs slightly cooler under load too. Between this and the UD3P you should get up to 4.5ghz and maybe a little more. Change the case though - the 200r is too small and too hot imo. The deepcool tesseract and Enermax Ostrog both offer better cooling for a similar price.

As for mantle, I have no experience with it at all.

 

[Hochothecreamdog]

What would my performance be compared to the fx if I switch the i3 for an i5 4440

 

[LucoTF]

the i5 is the clear winner over any FX CPU.

 

[Hochothecreamdog]

the i5 is the clear winner over any FX CPU.

so would this be better? http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/Bzw9P6

 

[Matt Dobe]

Yes, nice build.

Would outperform everything on here. It's almost overkill for you intended resolution. I cannot stress buying a 1080 monitor... you are missing out!

 

[Hochothecreamdog]

Yes, nice build.

Would outperform everything on here. It's almost overkill for you intended resolution. I cannot stress buying a 1080 monitor... you are missing out!

I wish that I could, but I can't afford it .

 

[Matt Dobe]

Why not drop abit off your build and buy a monitor. There is really no point upgrading your PC this much if your stuck on a 2003 resolution!

How about this?

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i3-4340 3.6GHz Dual-Core Processor ($129.88 @ Canada Computers)
Motherboard: ASRock H97M Anniversary Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($79.95 @ Vuugo)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($76.98 @ DirectCanada)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($58.98 @ DirectCanada)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon R9 270 2GB WINDFORCE Video Card ($179.99 @ NCIX)
Case: Thermaltake VL80001W2Z ATX Mid Tower Case ($39.99 @ NCIX)
Power Supply: EVGA 500W 80+ Certified ATX Power Supply ($34.99 @ NCIX)
Monitor: Acer G226HQLBbd 60Hz 21.5" Monitor ($109.99 @ NCIX)
Other: Windows 8.1 Pro for Students ($69.99)
Total: $780.74
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-03-17 09:52 EDT-0400


NEW monitor, 60fps at high/ultra gaming still, OS... I recommend you do this and upgrade from that tiny monitor.

 

[LucoTF]

I would take the i5 + cheap mobo over the i3 + midrange mobo for sure. I think that's some good bang for your buck right there

 

[Matt Dobe]

Won't he have to do a BIOS upgrade for Haswell refresh CPUs? This is one thing I don't 100% understand with the older chipsets.

 

[LucoTF]

the i5-4440 is not haswell refresh though