Best Gaming CPUs For The Money: January 2012 (Archive)

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I agree. An upgrade is just throwing money away, if your system is already achieving good framerates, with what you have. If you do not have one, pick up an SSD maybe. The ram speed difference really won't do much for you.
 
Compairing Apples & Eggs.

I didn't realize that Haswell had so many extra instruction pipes, so I went looking for details to make a clearer picture of the landscape.

Phenom II : max 3 ALU instruction per clock per core, max 4 instructions per clock per core, [ 3x ALU 3x AGU (3 max per clock), 1x 128 bit FPU per core ]
Piledriver :max 4 ALU instruction per clock per module, max 5 instructions per clock per module, [ 4x ALU 4x AGU (4 max per clock), 1x 128 bit FPU per module ]
Haswell : max 4 ALU instruction per clock per core, max 8 instructions per clock per core, [4x ALU, FPU(2x 256-bit FMAs or FMULs, 1x 256-bit FADD per clock]


Multi threaded:
Example Phenom II 980 @ 3.7 Ghz:
max ALU rate: 4 cores x 3 ALU x 3,700,000,000 Hertz = Theoretical max, 44,400,000,000 ALU instructions per second.

Example AMD FX 6350 @ 3.9 Ghz:
max ALU rate: 3 modules x 4 ALU x 3,900,000,000 Hertz = Theoretical max, 46,800,000,000 ALU instructions per second.

Example Intel Core i3-4160 @ 3.6 Ghz:
max ALU rate: 2 cores x 4 ALU x 3,600,000,000 Hertz = Theoretical max, 28,800,000,000 ALU instructions per second.


Single Treaded:
Example Phenom II 980 @ 3.7 Ghz:
max ALU rate: 1 cores x 3 ALU x 3,700,000,000 Hertz = Theoretical max, 11,100,000,000 ALU instructions per second.

Example AMD FX 6350 @ 3.9 Ghz:
max ALU rate: 1/2 modules (1 core) x 4 ALU (2 ALU) x 3,900,000,000 Hertz = Theoretical max, 7,800,000,000 ALU instructions per second.

Example Intel Core i3-4160 @ 3.6 Ghz:
max ALU rate: 1 cores x 4 ALU x 3,600,000,000 Hertz = Theoretical max, 14,400,000,000 ALU instructions per second.
(Ignoring the fact that the Haswell core can not always utilize all the ALU pipes due to some instructions needing to wait for each other)

So the very important for games ALU throughput of these CPU's is quit different, theoreticly the Core i3-4160 can muster 2x the ALU performance over the FX in single treaded situations clock for clock, in multi treaded scenarios the tables get turned how ever.
The gaming future is multi treaded though, most new and exciting game titles will be optimized for 4 cores, with game engines on the horizon being optimized for 8 cores.

So the question becomes then do I need a CPU that is fast with old games that are single treaded, or will the CPU be of more use in newer more highly treaded scenarios, I personaly would still go for the FX as I can forsee it will be more usefull in newer titles, and that single treaded games mostly will not need a beefy CPU in the first place.

The Core i3 is how ever build on a smaller proces making it more power efficient, so if power efficency is your thing go for the Core i3, allthough you might not be able to play certain titles and more new multitreaded games it will suffer, if you do not mind the small extra power overhead of the FX and want to be a bit more future proof go for the AMD FX.
 
seanpatrick
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I'm currently running 2 x 280x crossfire with an 8320 OC'd to 4.2 (I had it at 4.4 but brought it back a bit). It's running of a 990fx Sabertooth MB.

My ram is only 1333 (2 x8) but seem to have had trouble when running it at 1600.

Is there any point to upgrading to a i5 4690k w/ perhaps a z97 intel board? or should I wait it out and just upgrade the ram. I typically run games on ultra / high @ 1080p (on a Epson 2030 projector screen / or a 1080p Benq LCD (2ms response time) for FPS).</quote>

Yeh I agree only upgrade if your experiencing lag with games, more RAM will only help to load games faster, as more of the harddisk data will be cached in RAM, I recently upgraded from 4 to 12 GB and games where I had some slow loading problems now load much faster.

Also investing in an SSD drive will make the PC feel much faster and responsive, I load Linux and Windows within roughly 30~40 seconds from the SSD, browsers and other stuff opens much more quickly, getting an SSD drive if you didn't have one, will make you feel like you have a whole new fast PC :)

The i5 wil be roughly 2x as fast as the FX 8320 in single treaded situations, but will potentialy not give any more speed in highly treaded situations.

If your monney is burning in your pocket and you're about to buy either new RAM or a Core i5, I guess the Core i5 would do more for gaming performance, specialy in single treaded games.
 
@seanpatrick

Sorry you actualy mentioned faster RAM, rather then more RAM.

Faster RAM will always help, the Core i5 will help more I guess, one is more expensive then the other to upgrade though, and I don't know if the i5 can use DDR4, in which case you might want to upgrade both at the same time.
 


Thanks for all your responses.

I guess it makes zero sense to upgrade then. I guess I'm just bored :) - I re-ran some benchmarks in 3Dmark and am still scoring "better then 93%" of gaming PC's on Firestrike, so I guess it makes no sense. I boosted my OC back up to 4.4ghz just to scratch my itch, but will wait another year or so to see what shakes out before I do anything else. I've already an SSD (with my highly accessed programs on it including Windows) - so that's covered, and already have 16gb of ram. No point in buying faster ram at this point I guess if my next step (next year or so) will be to buy something that needs DDR4 - so I'll just sit tight and enjoy what I have.

Thanks again!

 
Hyperthreading isn't as pointless as when it was when it came out. When you use multiple threads to accomplish something, it's hard to use 100% of all of your CPU cores. There'll be anywhere from 5-60% not used (main thread has to wait for things to finish before it can do more stuff in your program). Hyperthreading lets you use more of that unused CPU power

I did get a Core i7 4790k since it's useful for things outside gaming, plus the premium at the time wouldn't have taken away from other components. In my case, I saw it as future-proofing as well.
 


Try either Far Cry 4 or Dragon Age: Inquisition. Neither works with a dual core. An I3 is fine, but with the Pentium G, these games simply won't launch.


Fixed

http://steamcommunity.com/app/298110/discussions/0/624076027466432520/
 
Is the top bracket going to be split up anytime soon? An i5-2300 and a i7-5960 have noticably different performance in a lot of tasks, and it looks a bit crowded up there as it is. I doubt too many people would complain if we got rid of the column with the Celeron E1200.
 


i'm running a similar cpu, less gpu power but similar cpu. I've yet to find something my cpu is bottlenecking me on. Of course i'm gaming in 1080p 60hz...

as a result i'll upgrade my cpu only AFTER i upgrade my monitors to 144hz units. right now 60hz doesn't really challenge my fx8 core. so upgrading to a core i makes zero sense.
 
g3258 still sounds good for a budget set up. If you want the BRAND new games... go for quad... but CPU sapping games,.. this will play with ease.
 
Dual-core CPUs should not be included in any serious gaming scenario, unless you are a fan of casual games. I recently had to upgrade my two kids' computers running dual-core Athlon II CPUs as neither would run Dragon Age: Inquisition (the startup animation ran like a jerky Powerpoint presentation). I popped in a couple of FX-6300 CPUs, and voilà, problem solved.

I on the other hand will no longer use budget CPUs in my builds (currently running my gaming rig with a Core i7 4790K, for the money I spent on it, the best CPU I have ever used, period).
 


Actually, they worked fine until the holiday season. Both of my kids were able to play Far Cry 3 and Bioshock Infinite on high settings with no issues. More recent titles now have quad-core CPUs in their minimum specs.
 
Oh gawdangit. It took me a while to realize what you all were talking about. I popped in here and saw you guys were talking about dual cores and didn't understand why on earth you'd be talking about CPU's I had two generations ago. Then I realized - finally- that this comment thread is dedicated to Entry level through high dollar. I thought I entered a time warp back to 2001!
 
You are better off picking up a second hand i5 3570k or Haswell equivalent and spending your $$ and ££ on your GPU or your screen.

A pentium chip is outstanding for a budget build particularly one aimed at people that can close a few applications they are not using.

 
You are better off picking up a second hand i5 3570k or Haswell equivalent and spending your $$ and ££ on your GPU or your screen.

A pentium chip is good enough cpu if you are going to put the cash into a GPU
 
Help, trying to find a lap top for lite gaming, under $500.00, upgradable. A bit of mod and slight code writing. What's good???
 


That will get good frame rates on these

720p = High to Ultra settings
1080p = Low to Mid settings
 
Hello,
This is embarrassing, but I don't know where else to turn. My son is into gaming and recently expressed interest in building a gaming pc. I purchased a thermaltake full tower A71 chaser shell and now want to begin filling it with components. I'd like a "list" of what to buy next in order. I tried reading about club's but my head is spinning. My biggest fear is buying non compatible parts. I want my son to pick the parts he wants, but I want to know about stuff as well. I'm buying parts as he "earns" them by getting A's in school and doing work for me around house. My other fear is buying a part that becomes out of date before we complete the project. Any list/help appreciated.

Greg & Jackson Hilliard
 
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