[SOLVED] Best Gaming Performance for $4,000 or less?

[Tatoline]

Hello guys. I know almost nothing about hardware so one of my friends built a PC for himself and I just want to copy it for myself. But I wanted to ask you about your ideas and some questions about the parts.

First of all I want to show you the system. Then I will explain the details and ask the questions I was wondering.

CPU: Intel Core i9-9900K Desktop Processor 8 Cores up to 5.0 GHz Turbo LGA1151 300 Series 95W

CPU Cooler/Case Fan: Cooler Master Liquid ML360R CPU Liquid Cooler, 360 Radiator, Dual Chamber Pump, Dual MF120R Fans, Independently-Controlled ARGB LEDs for AMD Ryzen/Intel 1151

Motherboard: MSI MPG Z390 Gaming PRO Carbon LGA1151 (Intel 8th and 9th Gen) M.2 USB 3.1 Gen 2 DDR4 HDMI DP SLI CFX ATX Z390 Gaming Motherboard

Memory: Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 32GB (2x16GB) DDR4 3200 (PC4-25600) C16 Desktop Memory - Black

Storage: Samsung (MZ-V7E1T0BW) 970 EVO SSD 1TB - M.2 NVMe Interface Internal Solid State Drive with V-NAND Technology, Black/Red

Video Card: MSI GeForce RTX 2080 Ti Gaming X Trio Graphics Card

Power Supply: Corsair HX Series, HX1000, 1000 Watt, 80+ Platinum Certified, Fully Modular Power Supply

Case: As case, I want to use my own case since I recently buy it which is Aerocool AirHawk Duo ARGB Mid Tower Case

Amazon list of the system: https://www.amazon.com/hz/wishlist/ls/RQAZCQRXNEBC

I'm trying to build the best gaming computer with spending maximum $4,000. Based on this purpose, what do you think about these parts?

The question that I was wondering most is about processor(Intel i9 9900K): It says socket type 1151 on Intel's web site. But I read on somewhere that 6th and 7th generation processors are using 1151, and 8th and 9th generation processors are using 1151v2. Based on this information it should be 1151v2 socket type but Intel write 1151 on their web site. What am I missing?

My friend told me that the max memory size of processor is 128GB but the max memory size of the motherboard (MSI MPG Z390) is 64GB. So I though that I can buy different motherboard which also supports 128GB ram. But the motherboards are usually have 1151v2 sockets; ratio between 1151/1151v2 motherboards is 5/70 on an electronic market that I checked it out. (I prefer MSI for motherboard; kind of brand obsession). So what is the deal about 1151 and 1151v2?

Next question: My friend advice me to buy MSI MPG Sekira 500X as case. But I already have Aerocool AirHawk Duo ARGB Mid Tower Case. So can I just use my case or I should buy a new case either? Can I assemble the Cooler Master ML360R fans on the my Aerocool case?

About the coolers/fans: I see a lot of impressive liquid cooler systems like this one. What are these and can I assemble and make them work on this system?

I think these are all the questions I wonder but above all I wonder your opinion. Thank you guys for giving a time.

 

[Dj0gany]

Answer to the 1st question:
-Your mobo fully supports 9900k so you dont have to worry about anything.
Answer to the 2nd question:
-No one who plans on gaming should have more than 16gb or even 32gb or ram.Buying 128gb to match the max cpu ram capacity is ridiculous.You should also have no worries there.Also i advise you to get 2x16gb of 2666mhz ram since its cheaper and intel cpus dont rely on ram speeds for the to work.I mean you could get 3200mhz ram,but you wont see a big fps difference,as if it were with RYZEN.
Anwer to the 3rd question:
-Your case supports 360mm radiators at the front,so same with the last 2 questions.You shouldnt worry about it.
Also about the liquid cooling that you saw.It takes time,skill and you actually need to have plans on where you plan to place the tubes.And also it requires a lot of money,and completely unnecesarry.
My question for you is,do you really need a gaming rig now?
New RYZEN cpus and NVIDIA's RTX 30xx cards should come out by october,so why not wait for them.

 

[Phaaze88]

1)I'd suggest waiting for the end of the year Ryzen 4000 and RTX 3000 launch.
If that's not an option for some reason, then continue on...

2)Socket: 8th and 9th gen cpus are actually LGA 1151 V2. The V2 is omitted by Intel for unknown reasons - but because Intel never updated that, the retailers didn't either.
Caused quite a bit of confusion, even today.

3)Chassis: If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Your current chassis supports 360mm AIOs in the front.

4)Custom liquid. If you haven't done the research on it already, then you are not prepared...
Jump in there blind, and you will regret it. AIOs are the cheap and convenient alternative to custom liquid. The downsides to AIOs:
-most aren't expandable, and the ones that are don't really have the pump strength to accommodate expansion
-the potential cooling performance is lower than custom
-the potential noise levels aren't as low as what can be had on custom

5)I'm going to modify your list for the best gaming performance.
PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i5-10600K 4.1 GHz 6-Core Processor ($294.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Le Grand Macho RT 73.6 CFM CPU Cooler ($79.98 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: MSI MPG Z490 GAMING EDGE WIFI ATX LGA1200 Motherboard ($199.99 @ Best Buy)
Memory: G.Skill Trident Z RGB 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 Memory ($149.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Blue SN550 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($69.98 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda Compute 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($54.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: MSI GeForce RTX 2080 Ti 11 GB GAMING X TRIO Video Card ($1247.00 @ B&H)
Case: Aerocool AirHawk Duo ATX Mid Tower Case
Power Supply: Corsair RM (2019) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($134.99 @ Best Buy)
Total: $2231.91
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-07-08 14:52 EDT-0400
A)Overclock that 10600K as far as you can. The 10700K and 10900K do not have as much OC headroom available.
B)Have your game library separate from the OS drive.
C)1000w psu is completely unnecessary, unless you were to SLI 2080Tis or something.

 

[ScrewySqrl]

here you go.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 3900X 3.8 GHz 12-Core Processor ($418.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Enermax Liqmax III 360 ARGB 72.1 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Gigabyte X570 AORUS ELITE ATX AM4 Motherboard ($199.99 @ Best Buy)
Memory: G.Skill Trident Z 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3733 CL17 Memory ($219.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: ADATA SU800 2 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($219.98 @ Amazon)
Storage: Intel 660p Series 2.048 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($234.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Skyhawk AI 8 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($192.86 @ Amazon)
Video Card: MSI GeForce RTX 2080 Ti 11 GB VENTUS GP OC Video Card ($1159.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master MasterBox Lite 5 RGB ATX Mid Tower Case ($83.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA GD (2019) 700 W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Pro OEM 64-bit ($139.94 @ Amazon)
Monitor: BenQ EL2870U 28.0" 3840x2160 60 Hz Monitor ($299.99 @ Adorama)
Keyboard: Rosewill NEON K75 V2 BR Wired Gaming Keyboard ($59.99 @ Amazon)
Mouse: Rosewill NEON M63 Wired Optical Mouse ($30.99 @ Amazon)
Speakers: Logitech Z906 500 W 5.1 Channel Speakers ($398.95 @ Amazon)
Total: $3860.61
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-07-08 15:29 EDT-0400

a 12 core/24 thread CPU, Large watercooler, 2080ti, 28" 4K IPS screen, 32 GB of Ram at 3733 speed (the sweet spot for desktop 3xxx series cpus) , a whopping 12 TB of storage (including 4 TB in SSDs) mechanical keyboard and matching mouse, 5.1 surround sound speakers, and Windows 10 Pro.

if you wait until October, you can use a 4900X and a Z670 Motherboard

 

[maxamillionfeettall]

Power Supply: EVGA GD (2019) 700 W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply ($99.99 @ Newegg)

The evga gd is a bit of a mystery, no reviews at present. Supposedly it's an fsp unit and the primary side is either double forward or acrf, likely acrf since that's what FSP does. There are also andyson, seasonic focus clone, units if it ends in model number of B1/2/3 instead of V1/2/3.
A double forward or acrf primary design isn't what I would call a good pairing for a $1200 gpu.

 

[King Dranzer]

Highly recommend waiting for new hardware to launch. It is just few months away most probably launching around September-October recommend purchasing around November-December time-frame.

 

[ScrewySqrl]

The evga gd is a bit of a mystery, no reviews at present. Supposedly it's an fsp unit and the primary side is either double forward or acrf, likely acrf since that's what FSP does. There are also andyson, seasonic focus clone, units if it ends in model number of B1/2/3 instead of V1/2/3.
A double forward or acrf primary design isn't what I would call a good pairing for a $1200 gpu.

certainly there is room for a more expensive psu in the build, but EVGA's gold PSUs have generally been very reliable

 

[Tatoline]

Thank you very much all for your answers, appreciate it!

I think I couldn't explain myself very well: I am not interested in price/performance products, my main goal is to get the best gaming performance.

Answer to the 1st question:
-Your mobo fully supports 9900k so you dont have to worry about anything.
Answer to the 2nd question:
-No one who plans on gaming should have more than 16gb or even 32gb or ram.Buying 128gb to match the max cpu ram capacity is ridiculous.You should also have no worries there.Also i advise you to get 2x16gb of 2666mhz ram since its cheaper and intel cpus dont rely on ram speeds for the to work.I mean you could get 3200mhz ram,but you wont see a big fps difference,as if it were with RYZEN.
Anwer to the 3rd question:
-Your case supports 360mm radiators at the front,so same with the last 2 questions.You shouldnt worry about it.
Also about the liquid cooling that you saw.It takes time,skill and you actually need to have plans on where you plan to place the tubes.And also it requires a lot of money,and completely unnecesarry.
My question for you is,do you really need a gaming rig now?
New RYZEN cpus and NVIDIA's RTX 30xx cards should come out by october,so why not wait for them.

I know this motherboard support 9900k but what I am looking that if I decide to buy another motherboard, should I look 1151 as socket type or 1161v2 for using 9900k?

I probably not get 128GB ram but but I will get 64GB, at least 32GB but not 16GB since I will use the computer for different kind of things too although the main purpose of use will be for gaming.

Ok this kind of liquid system is unnecessary for now, I am convinced. I will search and learn how to build that kind of system and I will do it later than.

Thank you for your question, it's really good question actually. Even though I don't think to buy AMD as processor, I will probably wait for RTX 30xx cards.

1)I'd suggest waiting for the end of the year Ryzen 4000 and RTX 3000 launch.
If that's not an option for some reason, then continue on...

2)Socket: 8th and 9th gen cpus are actually LGA 1151 V2. The V2 is omitted by Intel for unknown reasons - but because Intel never updated that, the retailers didn't either.
Caused quite a bit of confusion, even today.

3)Chassis: If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Your current chassis supports 360mm AIOs in the front.

4)Custom liquid. If you haven't done the research on it already, then you are not prepared...
Jump in there blind, and you will regret it. AIOs are the cheap and convenient alternative to custom liquid. The downsides to AIOs:
-most aren't expandable, and the ones that are don't really have the pump strength to accommodate expansion
-the potential cooling performance is lower than custom
-the potential noise levels aren't as low as what can be had on custom

5)I'm going to modify your list for the best gaming performance.
PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i5-10600K 4.1 GHz 6-Core Processor ($294.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Le Grand Macho RT 73.6 CFM CPU Cooler ($79.98 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: MSI MPG Z490 GAMING EDGE WIFI ATX LGA1200 Motherboard ($199.99 @ Best Buy)
Memory: G.Skill Trident Z RGB 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 Memory ($149.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Blue SN550 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($69.98 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda Compute 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($54.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: MSI GeForce RTX 2080 Ti 11 GB GAMING X TRIO Video Card ($1247.00 @ B&H)
Case: Aerocool AirHawk Duo ATX Mid Tower Case
Power Supply: Corsair RM (2019) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($134.99 @ Best Buy)
Total: $2231.91
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-07-08 14:52 EDT-0400
A)Overclock that 10600K as far as you can. The 10700K and 10900K do not have as much OC headroom available.
B)Have your game library separate from the OS drive.
C)1000w psu is completely unnecessary, unless you were to SLI 2080Tis or something.

It's good advice, I didn't know that these products are about to come out. But why are you telling me to wait for an AMD processor since you purpose me an Intel processor?

So should I look for 1151v2 motherboards if I am going to buy Intel i9 9900K even Intel doesn't write v2 on their web sites and just write FCLGA1151?

Are you saying that, instead of buying that Cooler Master fans, I can just buy a part and combine with the case's fans to get liquid fan for my processor? If it is like that, what is the part, can I give me an example from somewhere on web?

The photo of liquid system I sent is named as "custom liquid" then, I will do a research and watch some videos about how to apply but I will use AIO fans for now. Thank you.

Why did you send i5 as CPU when I can get i9? Also I really wonder that why did you send the system with value of $2000 although I wrote that I can give $4000? Should I understand that a better system cannot be built even if there is more money? That's the maximum system for gaming for $4000, right?

So I should install OS on SSD and the games should be go to HDD then?

I can be get SLI 2080Ti if I will get better performance, will I get better performance? So if I do that I have to buy 1000w I think.

Thank you for your time.

here you go.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 3900X 3.8 GHz 12-Core Processor ($418.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Enermax Liqmax III 360 ARGB 72.1 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Gigabyte X570 AORUS ELITE ATX AM4 Motherboard ($199.99 @ Best Buy)
Memory: G.Skill Trident Z 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3733 CL17 Memory ($219.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: ADATA SU800 2 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($219.98 @ Amazon)
Storage: Intel 660p Series 2.048 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($234.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Skyhawk AI 8 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($192.86 @ Amazon)
Video Card: MSI GeForce RTX 2080 Ti 11 GB VENTUS GP OC Video Card ($1159.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master MasterBox Lite 5 RGB ATX Mid Tower Case ($83.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA GD (2019) 700 W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Pro OEM 64-bit ($139.94 @ Amazon)
Monitor: BenQ EL2870U 28.0" 3840x2160 60 Hz Monitor ($299.99 @ Adorama)
Keyboard: Rosewill NEON K75 V2 BR Wired Gaming Keyboard ($59.99 @ Amazon)
Mouse: Rosewill NEON M63 Wired Optical Mouse ($30.99 @ Amazon)
Speakers: Logitech Z906 500 W 5.1 Channel Speakers ($398.95 @ Amazon)
Total: $3860.61
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-07-08 15:29 EDT-0400

a 12 core/24 thread CPU, Large watercooler, 2080ti, 28" 4K IPS screen, 32 GB of Ram at 3733 speed (the sweet spot for desktop 3xxx series cpus) , a whopping 12 TB of storage (including 4 TB in SSDs) mechanical keyboard and matching mouse, 5.1 surround sound speakers, and Windows 10 Pro.

if you wait until October, you can use a 4900X and a Z670 Motherboard

Okay why you guys always use AMD instead of Intel when building a gaming system? I really wonder that. When I talked with my friend about these purpose, he said that "they are trying to suggest you price/performance product, Intel is better but more expensive". So is that true?

I get the idea that Samsung is producing best SSDs in the world for now. Can we say that? I was thinking to buy Samsung (MZ-V7E1T0BW) 970 EVO SSD 1TB

You didn't need to add OS, Monitor, Keyboard, Mouse, Speakers in the $4000. I will buy them extra. So you can change or add something in price of $1000 more.

Is the cooling system you sent better than Cooler Master Liquid ML360R, right?

And as a monitor, I have ViewSonic VX2776-4K-MHD, should I replace it with the monitor you suggested for getting better performance?

Also I have Razer Mamba Chroma Wireless as mouse, should I replace it with the mouse you suggested for getting better performance?

I need keyboard so I will check it out your keyboard suggestion, also speakers, thank you.

Highly recommend waiting for new hardware to launch. It is just few months away most probably launching around September-October recommend purchasing around November-December time-frame.

Okay I will probably wait since all you guys recommend me to wait until new hardware to launch. What is the frequency of new product release? I think the frequency is low like 1 product in each year, so this is why you recommend me to wait I think. If its frequency was 4-5 product each year, you wouldn't care much about the new hardware. Thank you for your recommendation.

 

[King Dranzer]

For what it is, if you get a PC right now then newly released Intel CPUs out-perform Year old AMD CPUs "in Gaming". From all the rumors and leaks we have seen so far there is a high possibility that upcoming Ryzen 4000 Series CPUs may out-perform newly released Intel CPUs in Gaming as well.

 

[Phaaze88]

It's good advice, I didn't know that these products are about to come out. But why are you telling me to wait for an AMD processor since you purpose me an Intel processor?

So should I look for 1151v2 motherboards if I am going to buy Intel i9 9900K even Intel doesn't write v2 on their web sites and just write FCLGA1151?

Are you saying that, instead of buying that Cooler Master fans, I can just buy a part and combine with the case's fans to get liquid fan for my processor? If it is like that, what is the part, can I give me an example from somewhere on web?

The photo of liquid system I sent is named as "custom liquid" then, I will do a research and watch some videos about how to apply but I will use AIO fans for now. Thank you.

Why did you send i5 as CPU when I can get i9? Also I really wonder that why did you send the system with value of $2000 although I wrote that I can give $4000? Should I understand that a better system cannot be built even if there is more money? That's the maximum system for gaming for $4000, right?

So I should install OS on SSD and the games should be go to HDD then?

I can be get SLI 2080Ti if I will get better performance, will I get better performance? So if I do that I have to buy 1000w I think.

1)Because it's an unknown. No one knows what they'll be capable of. So if you can at least wait and see where they fit in...

2)LGA 1151 V2: 8th & 9th gen cpus and 300 series motherboards.
With the 9900K, one should only be looking at the Z390 boards starting around 200USD and up. This thing can power throttle the VRMs on cheaper, weaker mobos.

3)I think you lost me on this one... An All In One is a closed loop liquid cooler that includes the pump, tubing, radiator and fans.
I didn't say anything about replacing the fans on an AIO. The fans that come with the AIO are best for it; I wouldn't recommend replacing the fans on it.
And what's a liquid fan? I've never seen or heard of one before.

4)Please do if you are still interested. It is expensive, requires planning of the parts to be used in advance... you need to do maintenance(draining, flushing, leak testing, refilling, etc.) on the loop like 2 times a year or more.
This would help you get started: https://forums.tomshardware.com/threads/overclocking-cooling-water-cooling-sticky-index.3599603/

5-A)10600K VS 10900K:
-more affordable overall
-doesn't require exotic levels of cooling to overclock
-can be overclocked to match and even surpass the 10900K
-has greater OC headroom than it's unlocked i7 and i9 siblings

5-B)Diminishing returns. You can go and spend 4000USD if you want, but if I can put together a build for around half of that and still get comparable performance... ouch.

5-C)We also don't know the target resolution. At 1440p and up, Intel loses it's speed advantage, because gpu bound. At that point, Ryzen 3000 is the clear winner.
Now if the target resolution is the more cpu bound 1080p or lower, ultra high refresh, you've got a top tier gpu to go along with it, then Intel is the clear winner.

6)OS on SSD - doesn't have to be anything massive, 250-500GBs is fine.
Game library on a separate drive - HDDs still have the best price per gigabyte for mass storage.

7)There's 3 different answers:
Yes, if driver support is good, and at 1440p or higher. Kinda, to not at all, if driver support is lackluster or poor.
Nvidia and AMD have slowly been moving away from multi-gpu... well, AMD already took that step forward; their Navi gpus, RX 5700(XT) don't officially support Crossfire.
It's only a matter of time for the Green Team.

 

[DSzymborski]

certainly there is room for a more expensive psu in the build, but EVGA's gold PSUs have generally been very reliable

True, but those were mostly Super Flower-made ones and that relationship's no longer an ongoing thing.

 

[vMax]

If as you stated you want the 'Best Gaming Performance for $4000 or less' then this will do the job. You can make changes to the case but use what you have and a 280mm or 360mm AIO will get the best out of the 10900K which is the best gaming CPU out right now. Also with the Z490 motherboards, something like the Z490 Unify from MSI will do a great job and is ready for PCIe Gen 4 and the new Rocket Lake CPU's coming out next year. I have upped the NVMe SSD to 1TB and you could even go to 32GB ram in 8GB x 4 sticks at DDR4 3600...

The 10900K is a 10 core 20 thread CPU with a massive 5.1 to 5.3GHz boost with Thermal Velocity Boost and can overclock to all core 5GHz with relative ease. With a good 280mm or 360mm AIO temps will not be an issue even with a mild overclock. More importantly it will see you through a fair few years of high end gaming matched to the RTX 2080Ti. Yes you could drop down to 10600K but why when you have the budget to get the best...

PCPartPicker Part List: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7rc7L2

CPU: Intel Core i9-10900K 3.7 GHz 10-Core Processor ($529.99 @ Best Buy)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master MasterLiquid ML360R RGB 66.7 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($141.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: MSI MEG Z490 UNIFY ATX LGA1200 Motherboard ($299.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Trident Z RGB 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 Memory ($149.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial P1 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($104.99 @ B&H)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda Compute 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($54.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: MSI GeForce RTX 2080 Ti 11 GB GAMING X TRIO Video Card ($1249.99 @ B&H)
Case: Phanteks Eclipse P400A Digital ATX Mid Tower Case ($98.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair RM (2019) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($134.99 @ Best Buy)
Total: $2765.90
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-07-10 06:33 EDT-0400

 

[King Dranzer]

4)Please do if you are still interested. It is expensive, requires planning of the parts to be used in advance... you need to do maintenance(draining, flushing, leak testing, refilling, etc.) on the loop like 2 times a year or more.
This would help you get started: https://forums.tomshardware.com/threads/overclocking-cooling-water-cooling-sticky-index.3599603/

See if Done Right there is no need to go through all that pain. If done right it is set for good 2Yrs with no maintenance at all.
But most importantly if OP is planning to do Custom-Loop within the given-budget then definitely NO. But if he wants to do that down the lane then yes it an be done.

5-A)10600K VS 10900K:
-more affordable overall
-doesn't require exotic levels of cooling to overclock
-can be overclocked to match and even surpass the 10900K
-has greater OC headroom than it's unlocked i7 and i9 siblings

Intel i9-10900K has more cores and that can come in handy in multiple ways for many possible different consumption needs down the lane. When spending that high it is better get top of the line CPU. Not limiting my explanation to i9-10900K as it may be AMD or any Intel generation when spending that high better get top end CPU if the PC is to be used over long period of time.

5-B)Diminishing returns. You can go and spend 4000USD if you want, but if I can put together a build for around half of that and still get comparable performance... ouch.

But there is lot many features and perks that can be obtained by spending high without limiting budget. And Specially quality. Still If I have to say there will be a huge noticable bump in overall experience of having using the PC when going from $2000 to $4000 budget.

5-C)We also don't know the target resolution. At 1440p and up, Intel loses it's speed advantage, because gpu bound. At that point, Ryzen 3000 is the clear winner.
Now if the target resolution is the more cpu bound 1080p or lower, ultra high refresh, you've got a top tier gpu to go along with it, then Intel is the clear winner.

Yes Resolution is also one important to consider how much CPU will effect it. With upcoming GPU lineup I think it will even effect 1440p but 4K will still be mostly in-effected.

6)OS on SSD - doesn't have to be anything massive, 250-500GBs is fine.
Game library on a separate drive - HDDs still have the best price per gigabyte for mass storage.

Meaningless to have different SSD for OS and different one for Gaming Instead get one large drive 1TB is the sweet spot and then use 4TB HHD(x2 if the storage is important and run them in RAID 1 giving Redundant Storage setup and extra insurance against drive failure and data loss) for storage.

 

[ScrewySqrl]

Okay why you guys always use AMD instead of Intel when building a gaming system? I really wonder that. When I talked with my friend about these purpose, he said that "they are trying to suggest you price/performance product, Intel is better but more expensive". So is that true?

from about 2009 to 2018, that was probably true.

Starting with Ryxen 3000-series, its not true any more. Intels 10K series does outperform the Ryzen 3000s, but does so with excessive amounts of power and heat and then its really only just barely (something liek only a few percent more FPS at the top end. There's no difference to your eyes between 110 fps and 102 fps. If you are doing ANYTHING other than gaming that is multi-threaded, then Ryzen is just better at it, period. Ryzen's newest laptop chips (the 4800H and 4900H) outperform intel desktops at multithreaded tasks!

The Ryzen 4000-series desktop chips are due in late september/early october, and promise to wrest the gaming crown from intel.

 

[GarrettL]

It's been quite a while since AMD was relevant. As ScrewySqrl stated, they are great cpu's for gaming and multi-tasking.

I'm running my first AMD since the Athlon days and I love it. Had Intel rig's in between.

Is AMD still the price to performance King? Yes, absolutely. Look at gaming benchmarks and you'll see the FPS difference between similar cpu's from AMD and Intel are only a few frames.

Go to 1440p and 4k then they performance is almost identical.

 

[Flayed]

I think the Intel chips are better if you are going to put them under water otherwise you have to remove 250+W of heat from the CPU and 300W from the GPU which is going to be hard and you don't want your expensive GPU not being able to maintain it's boost clock due to high temperatures

 

[Phaaze88]

See if Done Right there is no need to go through all that pain. If done right it is set for good 2Yrs with no maintenance at all.
But most importantly if OP is planning to do Custom-Loop within the given-budget then definitely NO. But if he wants to do that down the lane then yes it an be done.

Unfortunately, most of the people who start into custom loop DON'T do what is necessary, so they end up going through most of that pain.
It's a constant learning experience; the folks who are skilled with it now didn't gain that experience overnight.

Intel i9-10900K has more cores and that can come in handy in multiple ways for many possible different consumption needs down the lane. When spending that high it is better get top of the line CPU. Not limiting my explanation to i9-10900K as it may be AMD or any Intel generation when spending that high better get top end CPU if the PC is to be used over long period of time.

Your opinion, not mine.

But there is lot many features and perks that can be obtained by spending high without limiting budget. And Specially quality. Still If I have to say there will be a huge noticable bump in overall experience of having using the PC when going from $2000 to $4000 budget.

Once again, your opinion.

Yes Resolution is also one important to consider how much CPU will effect it. With upcoming GPU lineup I think it will even effect 1440p but 4K will still be mostly in-effected.

You started off in a straight line here, but then ended it at a U-turn...

Meaningless to have different SSD for OS and different one for Gaming Instead get one large drive 1TB is the sweet spot and then use 4TB HHD(x2 if the storage is important and run them in RAID 1 giving Redundant Storage setup and extra insurance against drive failure and data loss) for storage.

Yet again, your opinion.

Can you stop with that, please? I used to try and force my opinions on others, until I took it too far a few times... and have been trying not to do that anymore; make a couple of suggestions, and if they insist on going a certain route, I just leave it be.
Most of your counter-arguments are opinions.

Let the OP use their best judgement from all that's been posted so far, yeah?

 

[Tatoline]

Okay guys you said wait for RTX 3090 and I followed what you said and waited. Finally it is going to release on 24 Sep. So the last system I collect is this:

PCPartPicker Part List
CPU: Intel Core i9-10900K 3.7 GHz 10-Core Processor ($804.59 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master MasterLiquid ML360R RGB 66.7 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($141.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: MSI MEG Z490 GODLIKE EATX LGA1200 Motherboard ($699.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Dominator Platinum RGB 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-4000 CL19 Memory ($478.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 970 EVO Plus 2 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($349.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: NVIDIA - GeForce RTX 3090 -24GB GDDR6X ($1,499.99 @ BestBuy)
Power Supply: Corsair 1600 W 80+ Titanium Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($549.99 @ B&H)
Total: $4,525.53
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-09-09 15:58 EDT-0400

If everyone ok with this build, I have two little questions too:

First one: If I buy this system on US, can I use in an European country? Differences of somethings or NTSC/PAL etc. I don't know what could happen but is it ok to use it without any problem?

And second question about RAMs: I preferred 32GB 4000Mhz instead of 64GB 3200Mhz(4x16GB) but how to understand can I use 4000Mhz speed? Motherboard says that up to 5000Mhz, so it's ok I think but processor says DDR4-2933 on its web site:

So is it means that I can get max 2933Mhz even I use 4000Mhz RAMs? If it is like that why they are producing 3200Mhz or 4000Mhz RAMs if even Intel's latest processor cannot use that much RAM? Which processors can use 3200Mhz or 2933 is a different thing?

And lastly, are you guys okay with this system or is there any part you recommend me to replace?

Thank you all.

 

[GarrettL]

What resolution is your monitor?

At 1080p the cpu is the limiting factor and a 3090 is overkill.
At 1440p the cu is not taxed as heavily and the 3090 is likely overkill
At 4k the gpu is the bottleneck and the cpu becomes less relevant.

Why the need for a 10900k? I would think you'd invest in a better 4k than what you currently have. You can throw money at a gaming pc but that doesn't always equate to better performance.

 

[King Dranzer]

Here is the list:

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i9-10900K 3.7 GHz 10-Core Processor ($803.98 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Corsair iCUE H115i RGB Pro XT 63 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($134.94 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus ROG MAXIMUS XII FORMULA ATX LGA1200 Motherboard ($499.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill Trident Z Neo 64 GB (4 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory ($274.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Sabrent Rocket 4.0 2 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($399.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: ASUS RTX3090 ROG STRIX ($1700.00)
Case: Phanteks Enthoo 719 ATX Full Tower Case ($211.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Corsair 1600 W 80+ Titanium Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($549.99 @ B&H)
Total: $4575.87
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-09-09 17:00 EDT-0400

This is better balanced build with all high quality components.
Full RGB Control.

 

[GarrettL]

I have a Sabrent Rocket, no real world noticeable difference.

 

[King Dranzer]

That GPU is gonna be a huge mistake, unless the new generation causes the price to drop by at least half.

This is the NEW Generation. The Next Generation from NVIDIA is at-least year or two away.

 

[ScrewySqrl]

I assume this is already built?

for the RAM, you need to go into the BIOS and turn on the XMP Profile.

 

[Tatoline]

What resolution is your monitor?

At 1080p the cpu is the limiting factor and a 3090 is overkill.
At 1440p the cu is not taxed as heavily and the 3090 is likely overkill
At 4k the gpu is the bottleneck and the cpu becomes less relevant.

Why the need for a 10900k? I would think you'd invest in a better 4k than what you currently have. You can throw money at a gaming pc but that doesn't always equate to better performance.

My monitor resolution is 4K, so GPU will do the job as you say. But also I need a powerful CPU since I'm running some codes on CPU, especially deep learning projects can be hungry for both CPU power and RAM.

Here is the list:

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i9-10900K 3.7 GHz 10-Core Processor ($803.98 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Corsair iCUE H115i RGB Pro XT 63 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($134.94 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus ROG MAXIMUS XII FORMULA ATX LGA1200 Motherboard ($499.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill Trident Z Neo 64 GB (4 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory ($274.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Sabrent Rocket 4.0 2 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($399.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: ASUS RTX3090 ROG STRIX ($1700.00)
Case: Phanteks Enthoo 719 ATX Full Tower Case ($211.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Corsair 1600 W 80+ Titanium Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($549.99 @ B&H)
Total: $4575.87
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-09-09 17:00 EDT-0400

This is better balanced build with all high quality components.
Full RGB Control.

First of all I really want to use Samsung's SSD since I know its SSDs are durable for long period. First time I heard Sabrent Rocket. It's looking like it has slightly better speed than Samsung Evo Plus but I cannot take the risk to lose my files. Also I searched the Sabrent Rocket and I found some problems about it, like you have to use Windows for updating its driver, you cannot use Linux or Mac, there is no bootable iso on their web site, and like so.

Secondly, I notice that you reduced the RAMs to 3200Mhz. Is the reason of that the CPU can't use more 2933Mhz RAM speed as I mentioned before, or because of a different reason?

And why Asus for RTX 3090 instead of Nvidia? They produce it and selling to Asus, don't they?

I have a new case which is Aerocool AirHawk Duo ARGB Mid Tower Case, don't you think I can use this case or I should buy a different one?

Also do you think Corsair iCUE H115i RGB Pro XT 63 CFM can cool better than Cooler Master MasterLiquid ML360R RGB 66.7 CFM, or it's just your personel preference as a brand?

Can you suggest me a MSI motherboard instead of Asus motherboard? And in your opinion, do I really need 1600W power supply or can I use 1000W instead?

That GPU is gonna be a huge mistake, unless the new generation causes the price to drop by at least half.

I was waiting for RTX 3090 for the months. You guys tell me to wait, this is why I waited to build this PC for a long time. I couldn't understand you exactly why should I wait for the new generation? These generation is the new generation and they haven't even been released yet. They will be release on 24 September.

I assume this is already built?

for the RAM, you need to go into the BIOS and turn on the XMP Profile.

Actually no, still trying to build and if you have any advice, I would be very pleased.

And I didn't get what you said about RAMs. Actually nobody answered my question about RAMs. i9 10900K processor says DDR4-2933 on its web site, so is this mean that it supports max 2933Mhz RAMs or not? If it is like that, why they produce 3200Mhz, 3600Mhz, even 4000Mhz RAMs? For example for the which processors exactly?



Also nobody wrote that can I use the products I bought from US without any problem in Europe. Doesn't anyone have an opinion on this situation?

Looking forward the hearing from you guys, I'm really excited about this build and I want to order this week. Thank you for your helps.

 

[Flayed]

You can use stuff from USA in Europe but I think you are supposed to declare it and pay some kind of tax or duty

 

[Tatoline]

You can use stuff from USA in Europe but I think you are supposed to declare it and pay some kind of tax or duty

Oh it's okay, I will handle these but what am I asking that about electricity (plug problem etc.) or displaying problems (NTSC/PAL etc.), but I think you already answered that question: There will be no problem to use parts that bought from USA in a European country. Thanks for the answer