BF4's Mantle Patch Out But Wait for Necessary AMD Drivers

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It feels very intentionally misleading that their test case is an A10-7850K with an R9 290X.This platform would be insanely CPU-limited, which is why it sees such a large boost.Most people will have a more balanced build, or even one where the system bottleneck lies with the GPU, and would see far less of an improvement.Mantle is a Good Thing, but don't tell people to expect what they won't get :/
 


Yeah, the improvement with a decent CPU like the I5 or I7 is only like 2-3%. It's purely for their slow CPU/APUs. Even when the new Catalyst is released, it'll only be for the new GPUs - R8, R9 etc, they've intentionally left out 79xx, 78xx despite them being identical to R8, R7 and using GCN to trick people into upgrading.

BF4 is now telling me I should use Catalyst 13.12, but because AMD screwed up and forgot to up-suffix the 13.11 driver name to 13.12 (ie when you install 13.12 it still thinks you've got 13.11), then BF4 shows this warning all the time. It's a simple issue known right from the start and they never fixed it.

So now we're meant to trust them releasing a new API for the most buggy game in history! Good luck!
 
As others have said this'll be good for those CPU limited. I wonder what the improvements would look like at lower resolutions with fx-4/6 series (720p, 1440x900, 1600x900).
 
Too many snipers on every server make this unplayable to me now, plus I only play in Hardcore mode which there are so few servers now not worth going back to. Waiting on better games like GTA 5 and The Division for PC.
 


No. Battlefield 4 Multiplayer is a very CPU intensive game. Almost ALL CrossfireX users suffer bottlenecks where their GPU's run at under 70% power.

Single card users that see only 5% gain are probably using a 6 core OC'd to 4+ so its not really bottlenecking.

Dice tested 2x290X's with a fx8350 and they got ~53% increase
Dice test 7970 wirh fx8350 and they got ~25% increase
Dice tested some crap 240 gpu with fx8350 got 1-2% increase.

Also why are there so many stupid people on this post hating on AMD for bringing a new technology in an ATTEMPT to open new doors. they aren't SELLING you this (unlike Nvidia... why complain?)
 
I really wish AMD would start competing once more with Nvidia and Intel. Maybe I have just had unnaturally bad luck but I have had 3 AMD cards since my X800XL. The drivers always seem to be buggy for me and the cards run at insane temperatures. I have always had to run the fans with custom profiles to keep the cards cool. I recently went from a MSI 7870 (with the twin cooler fan) to a GTX770 with the Windforce 3 fan and it runs so much better and the temp deference's are amazing. I feel like processor wise AMD hasn't really competed with Intel since the 939. That was a wicked processor that really pushed Intel to innovate. I was a huge fan of AMD processors my first processor was K6-3. I eventually upgraded to a Socket A 2500 Barton. Then I went with a socket 939 which where all amazing processors. I also ran a AMD Phenom II X6 which never really impressed me much. I always felt like the mother board chip sets where a step behind. I finally upgraded to Intel a few years ago (sandy-bridge) and have been extremely happy with the performance. But the thing is since AMD stopped pushing so hard on the desktop front Intel has gotten lazy. The latest Intel offerings while great for mobile are not so great for desktop use. I guess I like to see AMD stop playing around with things like "Mantle" and go back to producing high quality affordable enthusiast processors. I even go as far as saying maybe its time they split up the company Make AMD video cards and Processors two separate company's that way they can focus more on each product.
 
http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf4/news/view/bf4-mantle-live/ if you look at those charts on the performance section it clearly shows that the more CPU & GPU you give the Mantle setups the bigger the gains you get from it I mean it shows a Intel i7 3970x with radeon 290x gaining up to 58% with mantle so not sure where some of got the idea that they were only showing low end cpu/gpu combos gaining anything. thx
 
Yeah, the improvement with a decent CPU like the I5 or I7 is only like 2-3%. It's purely for their slow CPU/APUs. Even when the new Catalyst is released, it'll only be for the new GPUs - R8, R9 etc, they've intentionally left out 79xx, 78xx despite them being identical to R8, R7 and using GCN to trick people into upgrading.
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Apparently neither of you read the performance numbers. An A10 with no discrete GPU showed a smaller performance gain than an i7 with a couple of R9-290s in crossfire. The setups they used were balanced although there weren't any midrange machines. Granted the numbers aren't trustworthy until see some more independent testing, but I'm amazed how many AMD/Intel/Apple/Android... basher's will jump on someones retarded comment just because it supports their point of view. Until there are some more real results all we can see is that it seems mantle gives a considerable performance boost.
 
It feels very intentionally misleading that their test case is an A10-7850K with an R9 290X.This platform would be insanely CPU-limited, which is why it sees such a large boost.Most people will have a more balanced build, or even one where the system bottleneck lies with the GPU, and would see far less of an improvement.Mantle is a Good Thing, but don't tell people to expect what they won't get :/
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DICE posted some benchmarks, including not only a low-end Kaveri system claiming 14% improvement, but a Core i7-3970X system with a 58% improvement. Yeah, of course we can't trust either AMD or DICE to give us wholly objective or scientific figures, but the basis of your complaint isn't factual—they aren't only using low-end hardware as a test case. In fact they're claiming larger gains on higher-end hardware.

http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf4/news/view/bf4-mantle-live/

Also going to point out that they conclude the article by saying that we should keep our eyes open for hardware review sites that are planning on running their own benchmarks.
 
Im all for something that makes my system run better well not mine really since I use I tel and nvidia but in general. Mantle is open to nvidia if they chose to support it and direct x is old and wouldnt hurt to get a better newer api. I just laugh at how long its taking and how all the amd fans talked so much crap about how it was going to destroy nvidia products lol.
 




Read everything next time before throwing out assumptions. Article states A10-7850 performance went up by 14%, AMD 8350 and 7970 by 25%, and i7-3970x and 2x 290x up by over 50%.
 


so for every game with mantle support amd has to double their effort to make sure both directx/opengl and mantle version of the game to work properly
 


and all three are situation where cpu are the bottleneck

In plain English, this means Mantle can offer extreme benefits in areas which feature CPU bottlenecks but will feature more limited performance increases in GPU-bound scenarios. This is an important distinction to make and AMD gave us a few examples of how systems will react.
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http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/65244-catalyst-14-1-amd-unleashes-mantle.html
 
There also hasn't been a single word on how outside graphics vendors will be able to support Mantle or why to bother using it with those vendors against OpenGL or DirectX11.
 
That's funny considering I bought a GTX 770 in early November for BF4 and it ran like crap in graphic intensive playing on multiplayer maps. Hardocp verified this in their testing http://is.gd/PzhEZZ and was exactly my experience. It's even funnier reading the forum comments of 770 owners claiming they get 70 FPS average in BF4 at max settings.
 
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