If net worth was so important, then everyone would be selling guns and drugs. Try thinking outside of the capitalist's slave box.
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For those of you complaining about the gpu. They crammed a gt630 into an ultra book and a quadcore i7 + gt650 in a 12inch notebook. Both have reasonable battery and thermals. This isnt even counting the new atoms from intel and the new apus from amd.
With wireless docking stations, external gpus, and wireless charging all being possible its not a hard stretch to see you having a core tablet that you can take and go and when youre stationary it clocks up or activates internal hardware or hooks into external.
With wireless docking stations, external gpus, and wireless charging all being possible its not a hard stretch to see you having a core tablet that you can take and go and when youre stationary it clocks up or activates internal hardware or hooks into external.
[citation][nom]eddieroolz[/nom]What we all have to keep in mind is that Gates' is thinking from the typical consumer's perspective. We enthusiasts don't want the traditional PC to die, but for the general consumer that has flocked to tablets and AIOs, this may very well be the future.[/citation]
Oh please. you make it sound as if most people have thrown out their desktops or laptops in favour of a tablet. Don't believe the hype. Most people STILL use PC's alongside their Tablet.
However, it does mean that the common household income must be spend amongst more devices and different OS's. This will inevitably cause that less software will be bought for that one particular platform (MS Windows) as it used to be in the past. Thus the cake has to be divided to more parties.
I welcome this. As it means we're going back to the 80's when computing was fun. Remember the strides amongst C64 users against Apple II or Atari and Sinclair ZX Spectrums against Dragon- or Oric-users. I loved it back then. It was even fun in the era of the 16-bits computers (Amiga, Atari ST, Mac etc...). But after the PC took over it all went downhill especially after MSFT enforcement to tie MS-DOS/Windows with every PC sold.
Things are changing (again). The big corps all did this to themselves without ever realising it. perhaps the future might still be interesting?
Oh please. you make it sound as if most people have thrown out their desktops or laptops in favour of a tablet. Don't believe the hype. Most people STILL use PC's alongside their Tablet.
However, it does mean that the common household income must be spend amongst more devices and different OS's. This will inevitably cause that less software will be bought for that one particular platform (MS Windows) as it used to be in the past. Thus the cake has to be divided to more parties.
I welcome this. As it means we're going back to the 80's when computing was fun. Remember the strides amongst C64 users against Apple II or Atari and Sinclair ZX Spectrums against Dragon- or Oric-users. I loved it back then. It was even fun in the era of the 16-bits computers (Amiga, Atari ST, Mac etc...). But after the PC took over it all went downhill especially after MSFT enforcement to tie MS-DOS/Windows with every PC sold.
Things are changing (again). The big corps all did this to themselves without ever realising it. perhaps the future might still be interesting?
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I really like the idea of building one big powerhaus of a "personal cloud" server then using little thin devices like this to run profiles in the cloud.
[citation][nom]jcurry23[/nom]I am sorry but I do not want to play pc games on a 10" screen with a touch screen. I want to play pc games on a desk either with a mouse and keyboard or a game pad. If this is true i will miss the desktop pc.[/citation]
A tablet may not be your 'main' PC for quite a while. But what gamers want, and what everyone else wants isn't the same thing. I have my gaming rig, and I like it. But I also know most people couldn't give a damn about my overclocking, or my video cards. They might have a vague interest in my SSD drives, but only because the computer starts faster. My giant 2560x1440 IPS panel monitor however grabs everyone eyeballs.
To make money in this biz isn't about FPS, or how many milliseconds delay your monitor has. Or that awesome NAS in your closet, under your porn collection. The majority of consumers, and the majority of your profits really don't care. It has to be appealing to the eye, and in its use.
A tablet may not be your 'main' PC for quite a while. But what gamers want, and what everyone else wants isn't the same thing. I have my gaming rig, and I like it. But I also know most people couldn't give a damn about my overclocking, or my video cards. They might have a vague interest in my SSD drives, but only because the computer starts faster. My giant 2560x1440 IPS panel monitor however grabs everyone eyeballs.
To make money in this biz isn't about FPS, or how many milliseconds delay your monitor has. Or that awesome NAS in your closet, under your porn collection. The majority of consumers, and the majority of your profits really don't care. It has to be appealing to the eye, and in its use.
[citation][nom]Microsoft$ucks5[/nom]Classzer for the win! You couldn't be ore right man. This is why MS pulled out all of the old Windows shell components and pushed their Metro touch as the basic OS. They want everybody moving to the tablet and now we know why... they plan to sell their own tablet and thus OWN the PC hardware AND software sector. Somebody needs to make a really slick Linux that just crushes Windows in ability all around. Ubuntu just isn't it. It needs to be a lot slicker than that. Slicker than MacOS too. Someone please make a killer OS to kill off Microsoft once and for all![/citation]
Linux will never be more than a small geek niche. Too many egos pulling too many directions for the average use to care to deal with. Especially when their are cheap alternatives that work great.
Linux will never be more than a small geek niche. Too many egos pulling too many directions for the average use to care to deal with. Especially when their are cheap alternatives that work great.
Keep in mind, this is the same idiot that said no one would need more than 640K, OS/2 was the future, and he couldn't see scenarios for tablets.
Bill Gates made money because he bought an OS that IBM decided to use on his PC. Steve Jobs made money because he figured out what people wanted before anyone else did.
Their main similarity is they both ran predatory companies that are easy to hate.
Bill Gates made money because he bought an OS that IBM decided to use on his PC. Steve Jobs made money because he figured out what people wanted before anyone else did.
Their main similarity is they both ran predatory companies that are easy to hate.
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[citation][nom]scannall[/nom]Linux will never be more than a small geek niche. Too many egos pulling too many directions for the average use to care to deal with. Especially when their are cheap alternatives that work great.[/citation]
Android is Linux. But you are mostly right with the desktop Linux... but with Win8 blowing chunks and that Windows is becoming less and less important... Linux might be the ONLY game in town for the techies... people who want real computers.
Android is Linux. But you are mostly right with the desktop Linux... but with Win8 blowing chunks and that Windows is becoming less and less important... Linux might be the ONLY game in town for the techies... people who want real computers.
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There is a MAJOR error in this article!
No, its NOT the same route. Yes, Google always has a NEXUS device (Google branded phone or tablet) - but (A) Google works with a partner (all of them, but 1 at a time) to design the device (B) Google makes $0 from the sale of the device. Yep, the partner makes the money.
Microsoft is selling their OWN branded tablets to the consumer, at a profit. They will sell WART OS to whatever partners are left for $80 each. They cannot compete against MS with that. BoM costs exceeds any profits possible. It means an Asus, Samsung or HP WART tablet would cost $50~100 more than an iPad (which = no sale) or sold for $0 profit or loss (which = no profit). No reason to bother.
The market for $1200~1600 tablets with decent i5 (why not i3?) CPUs is small... and will continue to be. Win7 tablets have been on the market for 2 years... doing not much of anything.
Latest research shows that in developed countries, 70~80% enterprise have ipads in use.
WART tablet will fail because of NO apps, little developers, heavy competition from iPad.
X86 tablets will fail because they costs $1000~1600.
Win8 will fail because it blows and few people actually like it or have the patience to deal with it.
I think someone called Bill Gates and begged "please say something about our tablets! We are getting hammered!"
No, its NOT the same route. Yes, Google always has a NEXUS device (Google branded phone or tablet) - but (A) Google works with a partner (all of them, but 1 at a time) to design the device (B) Google makes $0 from the sale of the device. Yep, the partner makes the money.
Microsoft is selling their OWN branded tablets to the consumer, at a profit. They will sell WART OS to whatever partners are left for $80 each. They cannot compete against MS with that. BoM costs exceeds any profits possible. It means an Asus, Samsung or HP WART tablet would cost $50~100 more than an iPad (which = no sale) or sold for $0 profit or loss (which = no profit). No reason to bother.
The market for $1200~1600 tablets with decent i5 (why not i3?) CPUs is small... and will continue to be. Win7 tablets have been on the market for 2 years... doing not much of anything.
Latest research shows that in developed countries, 70~80% enterprise have ipads in use.
WART tablet will fail because of NO apps, little developers, heavy competition from iPad.
X86 tablets will fail because they costs $1000~1600.
Win8 will fail because it blows and few people actually like it or have the patience to deal with it.
I think someone called Bill Gates and begged "please say something about our tablets! We are getting hammered!"
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Gamer don't want buy tablet because it too small and lack performance, they still holding their desktop PC (include me). But if tablet can outperforming desktop PC (15300 tablet vs 14200 desktop 3DMark Vantage), they want it, but make sure the tablet has discrete GPU for high-performance gaming.
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[citation][nom]kcorp2003[/nom]unless a tablet that can stream via cloud to bigger screens with outputs for mouse and keyboard on the tablet.[/citation]
That's redundant. If Gaikai have it their way, they'll stream stuff directly to your TV. Plug in a controller and go!
Still, not the same as your own PC with 0-5 ms lag.
That's redundant. If Gaikai have it their way, they'll stream stuff directly to your TV. Plug in a controller and go!
Still, not the same as your own PC with 0-5 ms lag.
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Tablets have their uses. Just read Ender's Game by Orson Scott Card. They are extremely dependent on external resources; "The Cloud" if you will. I want a PC: a Personal Computer; an independent device that may gain some added abilities when it has external connectivity, but is capable of performing all of its primary functions on its own (not counting a power cord).
[citation][nom]hasten[/nom]GT650m is nothing close to a quality desktop GPU. The performance gap is enormous. The Ivy Bridge Quad mobile processors are very impressive, but also very expensive and not on the same plane as equally priced desktop solutions. For enthuasists mobile offerings are just not enough.[/citation]
Dunno, its definitely not high end, but its easily atleast midgrade to mid/high considering common resolutions. Besides you could just use a docked gtx690 and use the gt650 on the go easily enough.
Having a tablet core with wired/wireless docks could be very very nice assuming its done well. Z600 from dell was a medium grade attempt at a wireless dock with wireless charging. Sony already has a ultrabook that docks to a dedicated gpu through thunderbolt and other buses could be used.
As for expensive considering said 12inch with a quadcore , 8 gigs of ram, 750g hybrid drive, gt650 is only 800ish which is the same as ultrabooks, high end tablets, and the higher end of microsofts proposed tablets. So cost is a non issue.
So having a tablet as a hub would not only be feasible but not terribly expensive either. Youd have the best of both worlds. Only real downside i see is the lack of real keyboard on the go. Personaly i prefer convertables like the xt3.
Dunno, its definitely not high end, but its easily atleast midgrade to mid/high considering common resolutions. Besides you could just use a docked gtx690 and use the gt650 on the go easily enough.
Having a tablet core with wired/wireless docks could be very very nice assuming its done well. Z600 from dell was a medium grade attempt at a wireless dock with wireless charging. Sony already has a ultrabook that docks to a dedicated gpu through thunderbolt and other buses could be used.
As for expensive considering said 12inch with a quadcore , 8 gigs of ram, 750g hybrid drive, gt650 is only 800ish which is the same as ultrabooks, high end tablets, and the higher end of microsofts proposed tablets. So cost is a non issue.
So having a tablet as a hub would not only be feasible but not terribly expensive either. Youd have the best of both worlds. Only real downside i see is the lack of real keyboard on the go. Personaly i prefer convertables like the xt3.
The one thing everyone seems to forget no matter how portable a device is it has to be charge. I hate charging my devices sometimes. And the stronger the device depending on heavy the use is will drain the battery pretty fast. Ipad 3 is probably the best tablet on the market right now but any owner will tell you it takes freaking forever to charge. Its mostly a battery to begin with anyways.
Tablets will have their place but so will PCs. Its going to be up to the user to decide what they need. I can defitnitely see tablets killing the lower end pc market in the near future but until we make self sustaining tablets that doesnt require pluging in the pc not going anywhere.
Tablets will have their place but so will PCs. Its going to be up to the user to decide what they need. I can defitnitely see tablets killing the lower end pc market in the near future but until we make self sustaining tablets that doesnt require pluging in the pc not going anywhere.
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[citation][nom]digiex[/nom]He told that decades ago.[/citation]
And didn't put a timeframe on it, looks likely if you take a long view.
OK no one will do AAA gaming on a 10" screen and the GFX are too underpowered
But I can see a future where your desk has a big monitor with a Kinect built in, keyboard, mouse and a powerful GFX solution attached to the monitor by Thunderbolt. All your storage is safely in the cloud or in the attic on NAS drives. Then you drop you tablet onto a single cable which handles all the deskbound peripherals and you can do all your "heavy-lifting" that way. When you walk away from your desk you take your tablet with you. Most of this is possible today with the right kind of will and a lot of money, apart from the Thunderbolt GFX and they are coming soon.
And didn't put a timeframe on it, looks likely if you take a long view.
OK no one will do AAA gaming on a 10" screen and the GFX are too underpowered
But I can see a future where your desk has a big monitor with a Kinect built in, keyboard, mouse and a powerful GFX solution attached to the monitor by Thunderbolt. All your storage is safely in the cloud or in the attic on NAS drives. Then you drop you tablet onto a single cable which handles all the deskbound peripherals and you can do all your "heavy-lifting" that way. When you walk away from your desk you take your tablet with you. Most of this is possible today with the right kind of will and a lot of money, apart from the Thunderbolt GFX and they are coming soon.
[citation][nom]belardo[/nom]WART tablet will fail because of NO apps, little developers, heavy competition from iPad.
X86 tablets will fail because they costs $1000~1600.[/citation]
Totally agree on the W8RT thing. On x86... I expect those to cost even more. Unless M$ uses really crappy components and manufacturing, the 1000~1600 might be the BOM for those.
X86 tablets will fail because they costs $1000~1600.[/citation]
Totally agree on the W8RT thing. On x86... I expect those to cost even more. Unless M$ uses really crappy components and manufacturing, the 1000~1600 might be the BOM for those.
Here is my prediction ...
Where this may be true (Tablets taking over PC's) they will evolve greatly from the novelty device they are now before this happens. The tablet screens will get much larger. There will be inputs for mouse/keyboard/docking stations. And, they will basically just be an ultra-portable desktop PC. Similar to modern day laptops but even smaller and more powerful.
So we can get bent out of shape about the idea of tablets "taking over" but the truth is the future tablets are basically going to be desktop computers. The saddest part I think is that in the future we may not be able to custom build our own rigs. Or perhaps we will, but it will look much different. Think miniaturized parts.
It's also probable that the mouse/keyboard will evolve into touch input devices. Once people get used to the touch interface of tablets, I envision mouse/keyboard will be replaced with other touchscreen type devices that plug into tablets. Think of a dynamic mouse/keyboard screen that can dynamically change to whatever program you are using. IF you open up Photoshop, the entire input surface is a customized UI for just that program. And when you close it, it changes back to the default OS input UI. Things could get truly awesome!
Where this may be true (Tablets taking over PC's) they will evolve greatly from the novelty device they are now before this happens. The tablet screens will get much larger. There will be inputs for mouse/keyboard/docking stations. And, they will basically just be an ultra-portable desktop PC. Similar to modern day laptops but even smaller and more powerful.
So we can get bent out of shape about the idea of tablets "taking over" but the truth is the future tablets are basically going to be desktop computers. The saddest part I think is that in the future we may not be able to custom build our own rigs. Or perhaps we will, but it will look much different. Think miniaturized parts.
It's also probable that the mouse/keyboard will evolve into touch input devices. Once people get used to the touch interface of tablets, I envision mouse/keyboard will be replaced with other touchscreen type devices that plug into tablets. Think of a dynamic mouse/keyboard screen that can dynamically change to whatever program you are using. IF you open up Photoshop, the entire input surface is a customized UI for just that program. And when you close it, it changes back to the default OS input UI. Things could get truly awesome!
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I don't see tablets replacing PC's until they figure out a way to get rid of the fingerprints. As it stands now, I use my tablet for a few minutes, then wipe the screen. Repeat 50 times a day.
However, as things get smaller, lighter, and faster, I can see a situation to where everything fits inside of a typical monitor housing, and the monitor base acts as a docking station. All the productivity of your PC, until you undock it and go surf the net from the couch. I could see that happening in the near future.
However, as things get smaller, lighter, and faster, I can see a situation to where everything fits inside of a typical monitor housing, and the monitor base acts as a docking station. All the productivity of your PC, until you undock it and go surf the net from the couch. I could see that happening in the near future.
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[citation][nom]scannall[/nom]Linux will never be more than a small geek niche. Too many egos pulling too many directions for the average use to care to deal with. Especially when their are cheap alternatives that work great.[/citation]
Well said, and 100% right.
Same with PHP and MySQL... I am all for open source etc. but it has some drawbacks too.
And Linux, PHP and MySQL are perfect examples why -performance or not- this will never be as mainstream as Windows and MS Office.
Well said, and 100% right.
Same with PHP and MySQL... I am all for open source etc. but it has some drawbacks too.
And Linux, PHP and MySQL are perfect examples why -performance or not- this will never be as mainstream as Windows and MS Office.
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[citation][nom]killerclick[/nom]Let's not forget Microsoft created the Tablet PC, Zune, Microsoft Bob, Bing, Windows Mobile, Windows Phone, and other failures. Even if tablets are the future (until Google figures out how to use those stupid glasses for more than taking videos), there is no reason to believe that Microsoft can compete with Apple better than Google can.[/citation]
Windows mobile beget Windows Phone's concepts and Windows Phone is steadily growing in popularity, so it's obviosuly not a failure. Bing is also growing and is not a failure. Zune was never a failure and up until MS decided that it wasn't worth it, was also constantly growing. MS doesn't make a whole lot of failures, they jsut decide to stop putting effort into many of their side projects seemingly due to lack of patience with and actually caring about them.
[citation][nom]scannall[/nom]Linux will never be more than a small geek niche. Too many egos pulling too many directions for the average use to care to deal with. Especially when their are cheap alternatives that work great.[/citation]
That explains why Linux is growing in the desktop/laptop industries (among many others). Name a single cheap alternative that has been used extensively. Windows and OSX are both far more expensive especially Windows) and on other platforms such as smartphone/tablet industries and others, Linux reigns more or less supreme.
Windows mobile beget Windows Phone's concepts and Windows Phone is steadily growing in popularity, so it's obviosuly not a failure. Bing is also growing and is not a failure. Zune was never a failure and up until MS decided that it wasn't worth it, was also constantly growing. MS doesn't make a whole lot of failures, they jsut decide to stop putting effort into many of their side projects seemingly due to lack of patience with and actually caring about them.
[citation][nom]scannall[/nom]Linux will never be more than a small geek niche. Too many egos pulling too many directions for the average use to care to deal with. Especially when their are cheap alternatives that work great.[/citation]
That explains why Linux is growing in the desktop/laptop industries (among many others). Name a single cheap alternative that has been used extensively. Windows and OSX are both far more expensive especially Windows) and on other platforms such as smartphone/tablet industries and others, Linux reigns more or less supreme.
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