Blizzard Denies Banning Diablo 3 Gamers Playing on Linux

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[citation][nom]alcalde[/nom]WINE (stands for WINE Is Not an Emulator) is an implementation of the Windows API on Linux that allows many Windows programs to run on Linux. Warden can definitely be a problem because it's going to need to access WINE's Windows API commands to determine the running tasks, and WINE does everything it can to never let a program realize it's not running on Windows. Warden may be considering some of the returned values "odd" and thus triggering the ban. I'm not an expert on this, but people in the know have been saying that no known "bot" program or related cheats are known to work under WINE on Linux, which lessens the odds that they're being banned for being legitimate cheats.[/citation]


nah WINE Stands for - whiney ignorant nerd Elitist
 
Simply put: While Blizzard puts out great games, their tech support and customer service SUCKS. That is why I went to Trion and started playing Rift, which incidentally is a better game in my humble opinion. The big dogs at blizz that think they are the only show in town better wise up before the gamers out there start looking around for alternatives, just like I did....oh and did I tell you that Rift is CHEAPER....
 
[citation][nom]demonhorde665[/nom]seriously sick of seeing folks get thumbed down because they posted something mildly negative towards linsux, or linsux users. get over yourselfs. Linux sucks period if it was as great as all you super nerds say it is , then it would be the number one OS not windows. I'm in agreance with some oft eh guys that got thumb's down .. if you want say "hey look at me , i'm a pansy liberal open source loving super nerd!" then run linsux, if you want to play pc games, get windows.let the thumb rain pour down ![/citation]

Being famous/prevalent is not a prerequisite for and is actually not even related to being high quality. Your entire argument relies on this being true and since it is not true, your entire argument is completely false. Linux has many advantages and can be said to be superior to Windows and OSX for a wide variety of reasons. For example, most Linux distros are literally the most secure platforms available despite being free.

Many Linux distros are far faster than any other platform. With programs such as WINE and many such others, Linux can generally run the widest variety of software. Political notions most certainly don't afect anything other than the stupidity of someone speaking about them and that of those who actually listen to them. Windows is number one because for a while, it was easy to use despite being worse in most other areas (such as reliability, performance, and security) and MS markets it whereas Linux doesn't get a whole lot of public marketing.

Furthermore, what's wrong with wanting to do what you do using the operating system and such of your choice? Do you like MS's spyware/virus/other malware problems, their inferior performance and resource usage, etc. etc.? Not everyone wants to pay more for less and Windows is an extreme example for that.
 
Solution: Buy Guild Wars 2
Better game, worth the $60, and will run via wine np like the original.
Diablo 3 is an abomination.
 
It is common for a crook to do something he knows is illegal, then cry "foul" and accuse the person or organization that gave him what he deserved of unfair practices, making up some story about how they are doing something wrong.

I have little doubt that's the case here; Blizzard has absolutely no reason to ban Linux users, and considering the potential bad press and loss of sales to the thousands of players who would buy Diablo 3 to play on their systems, every reason to encourage them to play.
 
Warden isn't about Digital Rights Management, it's about keeping cheaters and crackers out of their games. It is specifically designed to look for cheats.

I suggest that the people that argue against Warden, and the right of Blizzard to protect their games and the good it does all of us that play them, are the very crooks that want to cheat the system and break into your gaming account and steal your goods (digital or otherwise).
 
[citation][nom]pennanen[/nom]Maybe in america. In europe if i paid for the game, its mine. There has already been precedent case about that and the customer won it.[/citation]

Think before you talk. Of course it's the same in europe. If you owned it, you could make copies and sell them. But you can't. So you don't own it, you own the licence to use it. And you can sell that licence, but not the game itself. Could you sell the right to a movie based on that game? Or sell a sequel? No? So you don't own the game.

It's amazing how europeans don't understand basic concepts.

@martel80, same thing dummy. A contract which contradicts US law isn't valid. No wonder europe is doing so bad.
 
[citation][nom]Marcus52[/nom]It is common for a crook to do something he knows is illegal, then cry "foul" and accuse the person or organization that gave him what he deserved of unfair practices, making up some story about how they are doing something wrong.I have little doubt that's the case here; Blizzard has absolutely no reason to ban Linux users, and considering the potential bad press and loss of sales to the thousands of players who would buy Diablo 3 to play on their systems, every reason to encourage them to play.[/citation]

Yeah, nice try there too. You don't know the situation whatsoever, so you immediately take Blizzard's side and to an extreme that is beyond even Blizzard's stance on this issue. You accuse them of cheating without even having a minute understanding of the situation other than knowing a few possibilities discussed in the article and subsequent comments. Furthermore, if you think that a few thousand subscribers (if there are even that many affected by this) make much difference to Blizzard, you're completely wrong there. Blizzard cards about hundreds of thousands, maybe even tens of thousands, not a mere few thousand players who amount to less than a single percent of Blizzard's total player count.

If Blizzard had motivation to ban Linux players, such as companies including MS and Apple making deals with Blizzard, then Blizzard would do what they could to cut down the number of Linux players. However, nobodies even sure of if this is in fact happening, let alone whether or not if it is happening, if it is even intentional and not simply the result of a WINE-related bug with Warden.

[citation][nom]Marcus52[/nom]Warden isn't about Digital Rights Management, it's about keeping cheaters and crackers out of their games. It is specifically designed to look for cheats.I suggest that the people that argue against Warden, and the right of Blizzard to protect their games and the good it does all of us that play them, are the very crooks that want to cheat the system and break into your gaming account and steal your goods (digital or otherwise).[/citation]

Warden is a spyware program regardless of it's intended purposes just as much as a government sanctioned and non-optional scanning program for illegal content of all computers using the internet would be. An old analogy would be like the Loyalists fighting against the revolutionaries in the American Revolutionary War, except that there's no excuse for you not knowing better.
 
I could never see the whole point of this argument what so ever. The fact that Linux is the OS that thinks it can but couldn't make it. I for one got tired of waiting and Windows 7 And OSx are pretty good os. You can only wait so long before you realize time is not really free And to the guy that said would you buy MS office over libre office. I would actually Simply put MS office is darn good but libre office is not that bad. Its just not a threat to MS office. With that being said. I never got into this game anyways. I heard mix reviews and for 60 bucks nah i pass. Blizzard is becoming an entity of the evil coporations. Especially after reading their License agreements. Do you people not read these things??. You should. All of your answers you look for are right there under your noses.. instead of bickering on these forums about it.
 
[citation][nom]mariojp[/nom]I could never see the whole point of this argument what so ever. The fact that Linux is the OS that thinks it can but couldn't make it. I for one got tired of waiting and Windows 7 And OSx are pretty good os. You can only wait so long before you realize time is not really free And to the guy that said would you buy MS office over libre office. I would actually Simply put MS office is darn good but libre office is not that bad. Its just not a threat to MS office. With that being said. I never got into this game anyways. I heard mix reviews and for 60 bucks nah i pass. Blizzard is becoming an entity of the evil coporations. Especially after reading their License agreements. Do you people not read these things??. You should. All of your answers you look for are right there under your noses.. instead of bickering on these forums about it.[/citation]

I'd say that Linux really can succeed even right now for most usage, but otherwise, you make some very good points.
 
[citation][nom]aevm[/nom]"scans the user's PC for specific software and sends the info back"I thought searches required a warrant to be legal...[/citation]

A law is a dead paper if it isn't enforced.
 
[citation][nom]stoogie[/nom]just get a windows 7 pc u retards, obviously if u have a linux box u would have a windows pc, you are not homeless people without income.[/citation]
Linux has nothing to do with being homeless or without income. It's about having total control over your computer and supporting the free distribution of software. Get a clue....

[citation][nom]eddieroolz[/nom]Here's a solution my Linux friends. Just don't support Blizzard. They have gotten too full of themselves with Call of Duty, World of Warcraft and whatnot. Time to boycott them.[/citation]
Call of Duty isn't Blizzard.....it's Activision.
 
[citation][nom]agent_link_dark[/nom]to the people who think software is LICENSED, and not OWNED i point you herehttp://www.tomsguide.com/us/AutoCA [...] -4806.htmlwhen a verdict has been passed it is then law. thus it is law that software is OWNED and not LICENSED,overruling any EULA[/citation]



Software company Autodesk can stop a man from re-selling second hand copies of its software because the programs are licensed to users, not owned by them, a US appeals court has ruled.
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[citation][nom]Andy Chow[/nom]Think before you talk. Of course it's the same in europe. If you owned it, you could make copies and sell them. But you can't. So you don't own it, you own the licence to use it. And you can sell that licence, but not the game itself. Could you sell the right to a movie based on that game? Or sell a sequel? No? So you don't own the game.It's amazing how europeans don't understand basic concepts.@martel80, same thing dummy. A contract which contradicts US law isn't valid. No wonder europe is doing so bad.[/citation]
I think he meant the customer own the copy of the game but not the copyright, just like owning a book, see the difference?
 
I think he meant the customer own the copy of the game but not the copyright, just like owning a book, see the difference?
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That is what the EU ruling was all about. Giving virtual property the same treatment as physical property. You buy software you *own* that copy of the software, you don't own the production of the software and thus can not legally make more copies, you can sell your one and only copy of that software. Once sold, gifted or transferred it's no longer yours. Another company CAN NOT take your purchased software away from you, they can't revoke your license basically. Eventually their is going to be some court actions going down about company's revoking their sold licenses.

Another thing, EULA's mean absolutely nothing in court. Their words put in programs to scare you but otherwise have no legal weight behind them. They will immediately be tossed out for one simple reason, you didn't have a chance to read the EULA prior to purchasing the software. The purchaser must be given the opportunity to read any contract before entering into it, that means before your buy not during the install. Contract law also has some interesting quirks, one being that you can't sign away your rights or legal recourse. You always have the right to bring a lawsuit and claim fair use laws, no Yes / No button can take that away from you.
 
[citation][nom]blazorthon[/nom]I'd say that Linux really can succeed even right now for most usage, but otherwise, you make some very good points.[/citation]


Yet I heard that most is never enough. This is mid 2012 about to enter 2013 you would think by now Linux would be at 5%. Nope Apple about around there maybe even higher. I am also starting to wonder if Apple and MS go to bed together in some ways as i keep seeing Microsoft Office on the mac while Windows Get safari and itunes on windows. The point being is that these are real entities that makes people WANT to buy their products. Can't blame a company when you have followers feeding the problem not being the solution. Google in the other hand can give linux official support. But just like the rest Google has other matters to attend to such as staying afloat with their android devices.

So tell me what does Linux really has to offer that OSX and Windows does not offer. Being free isn't one of them cuz people aint buying it lol. Being open source?? ok thats find but uh people don't really care. If people can endure Apple's closed eco-system what makes you think, just because linux is open source people are going to flock on over?.

Lastly.."total control over my PC".. Tell me..what exactly does that mean by "total control"?? AFAIK both commercial Os's does not seem to get in the way of doing what you want other than getting official support. Nothing is stopping you from wiping the OS it is your computer. You can argue that Apple computers have more control and that you can only run OSX on them, but still you have control of what you want to do with it as far as usage goes.

Is there any application that Linux offer that's not available on the other 2 platforms??. AFAIK.. Every time i go to sourceforge website. I see more and more Linux applications being ported to OSX and Windows. (There goes the marketshare lol). Gee i wish open source was exciting as standing in line for the next ipad/iphone. People don't care for free. If you can buy a mac or 2 plus and ipad they got $$$ to burn. See the issue at hand here??.
 
@Mario,

Linux is not a full OS, people not to stop referring to it as one. It's a kernel with a driver interface and a small set of APIs. From that we bolt on other software and the whole thing grows out. This is why you can run an enterprise grade server (RHEL) with it, or your home SOHO router with it. It's an extremely modular and customizable OS. That's what they mean by "full control", you can literally do anything with it. Write your own drivers, even modify the kernel and recompile with your specific tunes and tweaks. This isn't something that's available on any other platform.

That being said, Linux will never become mainstream / popular amongst home users. It's entirely too complex and rely's too much on the user knowing what their doing. Even the simplest versions, Ubunto and Mint, can still befuddle home users. It's greatest strengths are it's greatest weakness's.

For myself, I use Windows 7 x64 for my gaming PC, Linux for my home routers / firewalls (I built one using a Mini-ITX Nano with CentOS) and some test / project machines. I also use Solaris 10, but that's due to my job requiring advanced level proficiency with Solaris. If you want to talk about a "MAN's!!" OS, look no further then the archaic Solaris where everything is command line based, even with a pretty GUI.
 
[citation][nom]blazorthon[/nom]Yeah, nice try there too. You don't know the situation whatsoever, so you immediately take Blizzard's side and to an extreme that is beyond even Blizzard's stance on this issue. [...] If Blizzard had motivation to ban Linux players, such as companies including MS and Apple making deals with Blizzard, then Blizzard would do what they could to cut down the number of Linux players. However, nobodies even sure of if this is in fact happening, let alone whether or not if it is happening, if it is even intentional and not simply the result of a WINE-related bug with Warden.Warden is a spyware program regardless of it's intended purposes just as much as a government sanctioned and non-optional scanning program for illegal content of all computers using the internet would be. .[/citation]

So you criticize him for "not knowing the situation", then spout out a random, unproven, and unjustified crackpot theory that Blizzard is being bribed by MS. Take your own advice and actually provide some kind of proof that Blizzard is intentionally blocking out Linux users for any reason. Even a small fraction of income is income. This isn't even just a one time sale of the game in this case. Blizzard wants people on their real market. Every player is potential income for them. Explain why you classify Warden as spyware and other cheat prevention processes are not. Give any substantial reasoning other than jumping on the Blizzard hate bandwagon that Blizzard is guilty of anything other than not catering to an unsupported platform. Do you people call up Microsoft to troubleshoot your Linux distros too? (Not like I'd suggest even calling up MS to troubleshoot your WIndows)

This whole business about "EULA" doesn't even apply at this point. You take it to court, get a class action against Blizzard. They come into court with the box you purchased. They point to where it says supported hardware. Linux isn't listed as supported. You lost the game right then and there. You purchased something that clearly stated BEFORE PURCHASE it was not compatible with your system.
 
[citation][nom]kinggraves[/nom]So you criticize him for "not knowing the situation", then spout out a random, unproven, and unjustified crackpot theory that Blizzard is being bribed by MS. Take your own advice and actually provide some kind of proof that Blizzard is intentionally blocking out Linux users for any reason. Even a small fraction of income is income. This isn't even just a one time sale of the game in this case. Blizzard wants people on their real market. Every player is potential income for them. Explain why you classify Warden as spyware and other cheat prevention processes are not. Give any substantial reasoning other than jumping on the Blizzard hate bandwagon that Blizzard is guilty of anything other than not catering to an unsupported platform. Do you people call up Microsoft to troubleshoot your Linux distros too? (Not like I'd suggest even calling up MS to troubleshoot your WIndows)This whole business about "EULA" doesn't even apply at this point. You take it to court, get a class action against Blizzard. They come into court with the box you purchased. They point to where it says supported hardware. Linux isn't listed as supported. You lost the game right then and there. You purchased something that clearly stated BEFORE PURCHASE it was not compatible with your system.[/citation]

What I did was offer up a possibility without claiming that it must be true. What he/she did was state a possibility and then claim that it must be true despite he/she not knowing the situation any more than I do. There's a huge difference between these actions. In fact, I specifically said that what I offered up was a possible cause of Blizzard doing this if they are doing it (which I never claimed that they are, only that it's possible) because he/she denied the possibility of it. Notice how I didn't say anything that implied that I even took a side in this entirely. I defended both sides in this in order to show how I couldn't know for sure which one is more guilty, assuming that either of them are.

If you think that Blizzard is truly worried about these people, then go ahead. However, if Blizzard really did care, then I'm sure that they'd actually look into these claims (well, at least a few of them) and make sure that Blizzard is actually banning cheaters, not unfortunate innocents in this.

I don't call people to troubleshoot... If I find a problem, I solve it myself. I only call people if it is something that I don't have control over and that is a very rare occurrence.

Spyware might be too harsh of a term. Regardless, it is unwanted software that monitors my computer and that makes it malware. I think my explanation in my previous comment is enough to explain this sentiment well. Whether or not it only does what it says it does isn't important. It's effectiveness is in question and that's enough to say that maybe it does watches more than Blizzard claims to. Regardless, I dislike the idea of something watching my own computer like that. I have nothing against banning cheaters, but this is too invasive.
 
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