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Looks to me like all of those bells and whistles and flashing lights would be terribly distracting.

Speaking as someone who neither cares (or knows how) to drive.

I'm not remotely qualified to comment on this 🤐
 
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Neilbob said:
Looks to me like all of those bells and whistles and flashing lights would be terribly distracting.

Speaking as someone who neither cares (or knows how) to drive.

I'm not remotely qualified to comment on this 🤐
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I've been driving for almost 39 years and I agree with you.

Also, as far as ugliness is concerned, BMW are really pushing the boat out, with the new electric models.
 
Way too many LEDs and lighting effects. The inside is lit up like a sports arena, complete with wrap around banner ready for team messages or ads. If Razer made a car, this is what it might look like. Take a look...

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Everyone I know -- in the US -- who has ever owned a BMW buys it for the status symbol prestige, and then gets rid of it ASAP because of the insane time and cost of maintenance. I like that BMW is trying to compete with Tesla in the EV market. The EV build could dramatically improve upon reliability for BMW.
 
digitalgriffin said:
BMW is short for
Buy
More
Warranty

They have among the worst reliability ratings and outrageous repair cost. They also have the highest 1 year resale rate of all the major brands because people didn't realize the maintenance outlay of owning one.
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BMW's warranties don't cover repairs in the first year of ownership? What's the standard warranty? 24 hours or 100 miles, whichever come first?
 
hotaru.hino said:
Getting covered by the manufacturer's warranty means taking the car to a manufacturer's approved shop.

Guess who's more than likely to be one? Oh, the dealership.
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That's not a counter argument. Years ago, I took my GM vehicle to a dealer to get an oil change. They completely screwed me on the cost charging me more than twice the amount a quart of oil was selling for. I went back to the dealer to complain and they basically blew me off and said the price was correct. Later I got one of those how was your service surveys. Filled it out and said what happened not thinking anyone would actually read it. I ended up getting a call from a GM representative who apologized about what happened, and they sent me a check in the mail for the entire amount I was charged for the oil change. Manufacturers want to keep you as a returning customer. They get your money no matter which of their dealerships you go to. Dealerships do as well, but they know it's not difficult for you to go to a different dealership the next time just because they are a few dollars cheaper, so they aren't going to make nearly the effort to keep you happy.
 
USAFRet said:
OK, then, Fine.

This is still looking at the small picture.

Still, owning and operating a BMW has been shown to be more expensive than many other brands.
If you have independent data that shows otherwise, please show us,
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Yes, I would agree that European luxury cars cost more to service in the long run. If the claim was that BMW's were dumped en masse by owners after 3 years when the warranty or lease was up, I would believe that. But not after the first year when they shouldn't be paying for anything.
 
spongiemaster said:
Yes, I would agree that European luxury cars cost more to service in the long run. If the claim was that BMW's were dumped en masse by owners after 3 years when the warranty or lease was up, I would believe that. But not after the first year when they shouldn't be paying for anything.
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So....

Poor reliability, and poor resale value.
Whats not to like?

And its not always just the money.
"Oh crap, I gotta take this thing back again."
 
USAFRet said:
So....

Poor reliability, and poor resale value.
Whats not to like?
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If you're concerned about resale value, you shouldn't have bought the car in the first place. Buying it anyway and then selling it after the 1st year when it suffers by far the most depreciation would be epically stupid.

And its not always just the money.[/qoute]

"Oh crap, I gotta take this thing back again."
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Agreed, but the specific claim made by digitalgriffin about why people were selling their BMW's after year one, was tied directly to the cost of maintenance which is about money.

According to the link above by digitalgriffin which does indicate worse than industry average reliability, which again isn't something I'm arguing is false, the average BMW owner has to bring their car in for an unscheduled repair less than once a year. Important asterisk, model years covered are 2010-2019. So there are some pretty old cars covered and more significantly, one year old cars are not part of the survey so this data is worthless as evidence to back up his original claim.
 
spongiemaster said:
Yes, I would agree that European luxury cars cost more to service in the long run. If the claim was that BMW's were dumped en masse by owners after 3 years when the warranty or lease was up, I would believe that. But not after the first year when they shouldn't be paying for anything.
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Sorry Spongie,

I was listening to consumer reports quote over the radio into work. They talked about which brand had the highest resale after 1 year. I clearly remember BMW. So I am working off memory. I'll look some more to see if I can find the link.
 
spongiemaster said:
Yes, I would agree that European luxury cars cost more to service in the long run. If the claim was that BMW's were dumped en masse by owners after 3 years when the warranty or lease was up, I would believe that. But not after the first year when they shouldn't be paying for anything.
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Found it! Behold and tremor in my Google search skills. 😀

www.carscoops.com

These Are The Most Resold New Cars After One Year Of Ownership | Carscoops

The study showed that popular premium models from BMW and Mercedes-Benz are being ditched the most
www.carscoops.com www.carscoops.com
 
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