Broken pins on Athlon 64 X2 4400

[kyleawesome]

on the topic of broken pins i overheard a conversation at a computer convention, and he said he had broken strings on his new ibanez jem 7v. could anyone fill me in the the terminology "strings" and the said proccessor

That would be a guitar my friend.

 

[linux_0]

Here is the Socket 939 datasheet:

http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/content_type/white_papers_and_tech_docs/31411.pdf

You can use it to determine which pins broke.

 

[girlD6]

Here is the Socket 939 datasheet:

http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/content_type/white_papers_and_tech_docs/31411.pdf

You can use it to determine which pins broke.

Hi

I think I can rule out the motherboard as the problem. I received my new motherboard abittoday and I having the same problem with it. It could also be the memory but I'm not sure.

I also tried to use this memory to test the board:

Memory
DRAM Type DDR-SDRAM
DRAM Size 1024 MBytes
DRAM Frequency 201.0 MHz
FSBRAM 1:1
CAS# Latency 3.0 clocks
RAS# to CAS# 3 clocks
RAS# Precharge 3 clocks
Cycle Time (TRAS) 8 clocks
# of memory modules 2
Module 0 Kingston DDR PC3200 - 512 MBytes
Module 1 Kingston DDR PC3200 - 512 MBytes

I am getting the same errors with this memory.

The memory data sheet is a little hard to read but it looks like memdata(106) and memcs-2h-L(1).

Thanks

 

[girlD6]

I am very tempted to stick some wire in the hole where the missing pins are. Can I do this without causing harm and if so what kind of wire?

 

[girlD6]

AMD agreed to take the processor back but they said that if there is any physical damage to the processor they will just ship it back to me.

 

[Grimmy]

I've read some forum saying a quick fix in doing that. I can't say that it is a good idea, or recommend what gauge to use. Only real thing I would be concerned, is if there isn't a good connection, (since there is no solder) you may get arching.

I did find this:

MotherBoard Repar

This guy charges 30 bucks to fix 1-5 pins + 3.85 S/H for CPUs.

 

[Grimmy]

AMD agreed to take the processor back but they said that if there is any physical damage to the processor they will just ship it back to me.

Ah... Good deal, hope that works out for you!!

 

[girlD6]

AMD agreed to take the processor back but they said that if there is any physical damage to the processor they will just ship it back to me.

Ah... Good deal, hope that works out for you!!

I really doubt it. Could any of the parts that I have be used on a Intel system?

OCZ 2GB (2 x 1GB) PC3200
Western Digital IDE 25GB
2x 74GB Western Digital Raptor 74GB 3.5" Serial ATA150
Sony DRU-810a DVD-RW
Sapphire ATI X1800XT
Audigy 2 ZS Gamer
Windows XP Pro SP 2
FSP Group (Fortron Source) FX600


Thanks

 

[Grimmy]

AMD agreed to take the processor back but they said that if there is any physical damage to the processor they will just ship it back to me.

Ah... Good deal, hope that works out for you!!

I really doubt it. Could any of the parts that I have be used on a Intel system?

OCZ 2GB (2 x 1GB) PC3200
Western Digital IDE 25GB
2x 74GB Western Digital Raptor 74GB 3.5" Serial ATA150
Sony DRU-810a DVD-RW
Sapphire ATI X1800XT
Audigy 2 ZS Gamer
Windows XP Pro SP 2
FSP Group (Fortron Source) FX600


Thanks

Errr... Yes, would need a Intel CPU and Intel compatible MB.

I would not give up on that AMD yet, since you spent so much time and effort on it.

 

[girlD6]

AMD agreed to take the processor back but they said that if there is any physical damage to the processor they will just ship it back to me.

Ah... Good deal, hope that works out for you!!

I really doubt it. Could any of the parts that I have be used on a Intel system?

OCZ 2GB (2 x 1GB) PC3200
Western Digital IDE 25GB
2x 74GB Western Digital Raptor 74GB 3.5" Serial ATA150
Sony DRU-810a DVD-RW
Sapphire ATI X1800XT
Audigy 2 ZS Gamer
Windows XP Pro SP 2
FSP Group (Fortron Source) FX600


Thanks

Errr... Yes, would need a Intel CPU and Intel compatible MB.

I would not give up on that AMD yet, since you spent so much time and effort on it.

You spent a lot of time and effort with me. I will try not to give up I'm just trying to salvage some of it.

Thank You

 

[hjohnso2]

I made sure that the lever was up when I installed it this time. I really made a mess of this. I used thermal paste and I just noticed that when I cleaned off the thermal paste I cleaned off the thermal pad as well. I thought I used too thermal paste.

Since there is no thermal paste or pad left on the heat sink I have to add more thermal paste.

Dude..you should have gotten a Dell!!

 

[pat]

I am very tempted to stick some wire in the hole where the missing pins are. Can I do this without causing harm and if so what kind of wire?

Yes, it can be done. Bt you have to make sure that it wont fall into the socket ...

Or.. at worst, try to tell AMD that when you removed the CPU, the HSF was stuck to it and pins broke off during the removal..

 

[girlD6]

I am very tempted to stick some wire in the hole where the missing pins are. Can I do this without causing harm and if so what kind of wire?

Yes, it can be done. Bt you have to make sure that it wont fall into the socket ...

Or.. at worst, try to tell AMD that when you removed the CPU, the HSF was stuck to it and pins broke off during the removal..

I tried using wire from a old Celeron processor it didn't work. I am sending to processor back to AMD tomorrow if they return the broken processor to me I really want to go back to Intel. The AMD is just a little too fragile for me.

 

[girlD6]

I am very tempted to stick some wire in the hole where the missing pins are. Can I do this without causing harm and if so what kind of wire?

Yes, it can be done. Bt you have to make sure that it wont fall into the socket ...

Or.. at worst, try to tell AMD that when you removed the CPU, the HSF was stuck to it and pins broke off during the removal..

Hi Pat

Can you recommend a good Pentium processor and motherboard under $500 for gamming?

Thanks

 

[linux_0]

I am very tempted to stick some wire in the hole where the missing pins are. Can I do this without causing harm and if so what kind of wire?

Yes, it can be done. Bt you have to make sure that it wont fall into the socket ...

Or.. at worst, try to tell AMD that when you removed the CPU, the HSF was stuck to it and pins broke off during the removal..

Hi Pat

Can you recommend a good Pentium processor and motherboard under $500 for gamming?

Thanks



AMD64s beat Intel in all gaming benchmarks across the board. Going with a pentium will provide negative benefits.

The is absolutely nothing wrong with your original config.

Besides Intel is using DDR2 and your existing RAM is DDR. You would have to replace the CPU, motherboard and RAM to get it working and you would would end up with an inferior gaming machine.

Intel boards and CPUs are just as fragile as AMD, it makes no sense whatsoever to go with intel especially for a gaming rig.

You can fix your existing machine by simply getting any AMD64 Socket 939 CPU ( starting @ $118 DELIVERED )

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp?Submit=ENE&N=2010340343+50001028+1051707439&Subcategory=343&description=&srchInDesc=&minPrice=&maxPrice=&ATTR1=&ATTR2=2010340343+50001028&ATTR3=&ATTR4=2010340343+1051707439&ATTR5=&ATTR6=&ATTR7=&ATTR8=&ATTR9=&ATTR10=&ATTR11=&ATTR12=&ATTR13=&ATTR14=&ATTR15=


I believe your DFI will probably work fine in the end but if you do not like it you could exchange it for one of these ASUS boards:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813131569

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813131530


You can exchange the DFI for an ASUS motherboard and a Socket 939 CPU and be on your way.

The cheaper ASUS board is only $80. A 939 CPU would be $118 - $237 for a single core or $297 for the X2 3800 Dual Core which would be well under $500.

Then you can see if AMD will replace your broken X2 4400.

Here are some benchmarks:

http://www.linuxhardware.org/article.pl?sid=05/02/24/1747228&mode=thread

http://www.anandtech.com/linux/showdoc.aspx?i=2163
http://www.intel.com/performance/desktop/extreme/em64t.htm

http://techreport.com/reviews/2006q1/fx60-vs-955xe/index.x?pg=5

http://www.linuxhardware.org/article.pl?sid=06/01/10/1520229&mode=thread

http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/03/22/pentium_extreme_edition_965/


Not to mention AMD64 CPUs consume a lot less power ( energy costs a fortune nowadays ) and generate less heat, which can be an issue in Florida.

 

[girlD6]

I am very tempted to stick some wire in the hole where the missing pins are. Can I do this without causing harm and if so what kind of wire?

Yes, it can be done. Bt you have to make sure that it wont fall into the socket ...

Or.. at worst, try to tell AMD that when you removed the CPU, the HSF was stuck to it and pins broke off during the removal..

Hi Pat

Can you recommend a good Pentium processor and motherboard under $500 for gamming?

Thanks



AMD64s beat Intel in all gaming benchmarks across the board. Going with a pentium will provide negative benefits.

The is absolutely nothing wrong with your original config.

Besides Intel is using DDR2 and your existing RAM is DDR. You would have to replace the CPU, motherboard and RAM to get it working and you would would end up with an inferior gaming machine.

Intel boards and CPUs are just as fragile as AMD, it makes no sense whatsoever to go with intel especially for a gaming rig.

You can fix your existing machine by simply getting any AMD64 Socket 939 CPU ( starting @ $118 DELIVERED )

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp?Submit=ENE&N=2010340343+50001028+1051707439&Subcategory=343&description=&srchInDesc=&minPrice=&maxPrice=&ATTR1=&ATTR2=2010340343+50001028&ATTR3=&ATTR4=2010340343+1051707439&ATTR5=&ATTR6=&ATTR7=&ATTR8=&ATTR9=&ATTR10=&ATTR11=&ATTR12=&ATTR13=&ATTR14=&ATTR15=


I believe your DFI will probably work fine in the end but if you do not like it you could exchange it for one of these ASUS boards:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813131569

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813131530


You can exchange the DFI for an ASUS motherboard and a Socket 939 CPU and be on your way.

The cheaper ASUS board is only $80. A 939 CPU would be $118 - $237 for a single core or $297 for the X2 3800 Dual Core which would be well under $500.

Then you can see if AMD will replace your broken X2 4400.

Here are some benchmarks:

http://www.linuxhardware.org/article.pl?sid=05/02/24/1747228&mode=thread

http://www.anandtech.com/linux/showdoc.aspx?i=2163
http://www.intel.com/performance/desktop/extreme/em64t.htm

http://techreport.com/reviews/2006q1/fx60-vs-955xe/index.x?pg=5

http://www.linuxhardware.org/article.pl?sid=06/01/10/1520229&mode=thread

http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/03/22/pentium_extreme_edition_965/


Not to mention AMD64 CPUs consume a lot less power ( energy costs a fortune nowadays ) and generate less heat, which can be an issue in Florida.

I understand.

What about a refurished processor from Newegg?

 

[linux_0]

I would not recommend a refurbished processor but if price is important to you and you're willing to take a chance, that's up to you.

This CPU @ $118 delivered would hold you over until you can figure out what to do with your X2 4400:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103537

Check with AMD, they might be willing to exchange it for you.

If that doesn't work and you have nothing to lose you can look for someone to repair it -- a good tech could probably fix the pins as long as the CPU hasn't been damaged beyond repair.

Another option is to sell it online AS IS FOR REPAIR. Someone on ebay might buy it.

Good Luck :-D

 

[girlD6]

I would not recommend a refurbished processor but if price is important to you and you're willing to take a chance, that's up to you.

This CPU @ $118 delivered would hold you over until you can figure out what to do with your X2 4400:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103537

Check with AMD, they might be willing to exchange it for you.

If that doesn't work and you have nothing to lose you can look for someone to repair it -- a good tech could probably fix the pins as long as the CPU hasn't been damaged beyond repair.

Another option is to sell it online AS IS FOR REPAIR. Someone on ebay might buy it.

Good Luck :-D

Perfect. I'll get the $118 processor for now

Thanks a lot

 

[pat]

I cannot recommend anything with Intel at the moment. While the CPu being exempt of pins seems more solid, it is plagued with overheating issue. The pins, being in the socket on the motherboard are less robust than those on the CPU, but I agree, it is less costly to replace the motherboard than a high end CPU like yours.

A dual core, no matter how nice it is, is quite not really useful in game. Instead of dropping everything you have, just get a cheap single core A64. Refurb one are nice too. something simply like the 3200+ will give you nice performance in game, especially coupled with your video card..

I know how it is to ruin expensive pieces of hardware. It happened to me too, because of simple distraction. But if you tak the time to.. take the time, then everything should be right.

Good luck..

 

[girlD6]

Hi All

I'm back with a quick update. AMD decided to replace the processor. It's hard to believe that AMD replaced the processor. I am in the process of setting up my new system now, I'm just having a little trouble.

Motherboard: ASUS A8R32 MVP Deluxe

I installed my operating system on a SATA drive installed on SATA1. I have the CDrom setup as secondary IDE Master. The system boots fine like this but if I install any IDE hard drives the system will not boot it just hangs at the first page.

I need to install three IDE hard drives and 2 WD raptors.
Please help me end this nightmare.

 

[linux_0]

Hi All

I'm back with a quick update. AMD decided to replace the processor. It's hard to believe that AMD replaced the processor. I am in the process of setting up my new system now, I'm just having a little trouble.

Motherboard: ASUS A8R32 MVP Deluxe

I installed my operating system on a SATA drive installed on SATA1. I have the CDrom setup as secondary IDE Master. The system boots fine like this but if I install any IDE hard drives the system will not boot it just hangs at the first page.

I need to install three IDE hard drives and 2 WD raptors.
Please help me end this nightmare.

Hi,

Good to hear AMD was nice enough to replace the CPU :-D :-D



:-( PATA IDE drives suck and the more you have the slower they perform.

You are much better off using the 2 Raptors and 1 250GB SATA drive for storage ($80 - 93 on newegg) and using 0 PATA IDE HDDs.

Good Luck :-D

 

[girlD6]

Hi Linux_0

I have 2 raptor drives fora my games. Don't laugh, I was to told to set them up in some kind of raid configuration, I'll get to that when I figure it out. I have 1 IDE 250 drive for my work only, 1 200gig drive for my music, 1 cd burner and 1 dvd burner.

 

[girlD6]

This what I have:

1 250gig SATA drive on SATA1(60 gig partition with OS)
1 250gig Ide (my work)
1 200gig IDE (music only)
1 IDE CD burner
1 IDE DVD burner
2 74gig raptors.

 

[Grimmy]

Motherboard: ASUS A8R32 MVP Deluxe

I installed my operating system on a SATA drive installed on SATA1. I have the CDrom setup as secondary IDE Master. The system boots fine like this but if I install any IDE hard drives the system will not boot it just hangs at the first page.

I need to install three IDE hard drives and 2 WD raptors.
Please help me end this nightmare.

Wow... nice to hear that they will fix/replace the 4400+. I had a feeling they prolly would, but I guess if they found that it was damaged/non-workable, that would be a different story.

The nightmare your referring to, could be the cause of the bios. Be sure that it is setup to boot off the right drive.

Since all bios versions vary... just not sure if you set it to boot off the SATA.

The bios can be setup to the point to where it looks and boots off what ever it finds that is bootable.

Example:

Say you install the SATA, and go with bios defaults. You raid it, install your OS, configured. Then you install your IDE drives, now the system won't boot.

In that senario, the bios may be set to boot off IDE 1st, and if it doesn't find a bootable drive, goes on to the next.

So my guess is that its not properly booting off the right drive, that you want.

I guess the question is how is your bios setup/configured to boot?

 

[linux_0]

Hi Linux_0

I have 2 raptor drives fora my games. Don't laugh, I was to told to set them up in some kind of raid configuration, I'll get to that when I figure it out. I have 1 IDE 250 drive for my work only, 1 200gig drive for my music, 1 cd burner and 1 dvd burner.

Hmm..... what is your boot order in the BIOS?

Your 1st boot device should be your SATA drive