So you added a HD6670 to an A8-3850 and didn't bother to enable dual graphics ??
Try enabling that, and see how the intel compares to that.
Try enabling that, and see how the intel compares to that.
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Take a look at page 9, GTA benchmark. The crossfire works terrible and the combination with APU + slow DDR3 1866 and faster discrete graphics ist to bad to lost time with it. This test was done one year ago here: http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2011-entry-level-graphics/benchmarks,132.html Additionally: a single HD 6670 ist in the most cases faster than this "crossfire" with GPU and APU. The combination with a HD 6570 and 6550 is possible but not useful.
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[citation][nom]Proximon[/nom]After all that build up a cheap PSU is used based entirely on claims written on the box. No reviews exist and apparently Cooler Master knows it's junk because they haven't bothered to get it certified by 80plus.[/citation]
Absolutely!
Where to begin...
I don't think the APU is the solution for the parent building for his kid. There is no upgrade path that isn't better with Intel. A school, church, library, or other organization building a static box for use by kids, for which there will be no anticipated upgrades ever, would benefit from the APU. In short, the APU is not a starting point, but an end point. It should be considered only if it is the desired end point. For most people, it won't be.
Then there's this:
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/Cooler-Master-Extreme-2-475-W-Power-Supply-Review/1550/11 on a RECENT model.
As often as I've been accused of trolling for speaking against Crappermaster, I will continue to ask, why are you not calling this company out on its willful dishonesty, and recommending AGAINST using ANY of its products? The only way such consumer fraud will ever end is if there are consequences for it. For this article, Seasonic has some excellent 300W-350W PSUs that are 80+ bronze. Anandtech just included the new FSP "Raider" (may not be available yet) which is remarkably efficient even at only 10% load: http://www.anandtech.com/show/6013/350450w-roundup-11-cheap-psus/17
Xigmatek makes decent coolers for a system like this, as does Rosewill. Here's a similarly priced case with considerably better cooling from the already included fans: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811146058
For a kid's computer, I would highly recommend sealing off the top fan openings to prevent catastrophe from the inevitable liquid spill.
Absolutely!
Where to begin...
I don't think the APU is the solution for the parent building for his kid. There is no upgrade path that isn't better with Intel. A school, church, library, or other organization building a static box for use by kids, for which there will be no anticipated upgrades ever, would benefit from the APU. In short, the APU is not a starting point, but an end point. It should be considered only if it is the desired end point. For most people, it won't be.
Then there's this:
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/Cooler-Master-Extreme-2-475-W-Power-Supply-Review/1550/11 on a RECENT model.
As often as I've been accused of trolling for speaking against Crappermaster, I will continue to ask, why are you not calling this company out on its willful dishonesty, and recommending AGAINST using ANY of its products? The only way such consumer fraud will ever end is if there are consequences for it. For this article, Seasonic has some excellent 300W-350W PSUs that are 80+ bronze. Anandtech just included the new FSP "Raider" (may not be available yet) which is remarkably efficient even at only 10% load: http://www.anandtech.com/show/6013/350450w-roundup-11-cheap-psus/17
Xigmatek makes decent coolers for a system like this, as does Rosewill. Here's a similarly priced case with considerably better cooling from the already included fans: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811146058
For a kid's computer, I would highly recommend sealing off the top fan openings to prevent catastrophe from the inevitable liquid spill.
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I do not know what to say about this article, I have two kids but since daddy is an IT guy,
they have more than the usual units.
so I think my kids and there units are a step or two above what we have to offer here.
pricing isn't so bad if it's what you really want now is it.?
and if daddy needs another unit for back-up AND Folding then I am set
and they're set for a while to come...
7 year old son:
980BE | ASUS 880G | 4GB DDR3 1600MHz CL8 | GTS 450 | HEC 550-watt | CM 430 Elite
4.5 year old daughter:
i3-2120 | ASUS Z68 | 4GB DDR3 1600MHz CL9 | GT 440 | RF 500-watt | Xigmatek ASGARD II B/B
they have more than the usual units.
so I think my kids and there units are a step or two above what we have to offer here.
pricing isn't so bad if it's what you really want now is it.?
and if daddy needs another unit for back-up AND Folding then I am set
and they're set for a while to come...
7 year old son:
980BE | ASUS 880G | 4GB DDR3 1600MHz CL8 | GTS 450 | HEC 550-watt | CM 430 Elite
4.5 year old daughter:
i3-2120 | ASUS Z68 | 4GB DDR3 1600MHz CL9 | GT 440 | RF 500-watt | Xigmatek ASGARD II B/B
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Nice start but I consider the parameters set to be a bit miserly. Most kids want decent performance for more demanding games. My build for the grand kids: i3 2120 CPU, H67 mobo, 650 W PSU, GTX 470 GPU, 320 GB HDD, 8GB 1033 RAM. This build rips in most games and excepting the CPU all of the parts are recycled from previous builds.
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lol, what a great article!
My first kiddo is currently 1, and my wife and I are both in agreement that he does not get his own 'personal computer' until middle school. But I fear that by the time he is at that age then traditional desktops will either be gone, or extremely expensive and reserved for things like video editing (in 4K at least) and CAD applicaitons.
Or, put in another way, I will be extremely disappointed if tablets or at least laptops do not have the power of my current i7 2600 rig within the next 10 years.
Either way, it is sad that something I have enjoyed so much will likely be relegated to the extremes, and while I hope he will build his own server, or workstation, he will likely never have the opportunity to build a simple game machine.
My first kiddo is currently 1, and my wife and I are both in agreement that he does not get his own 'personal computer' until middle school. But I fear that by the time he is at that age then traditional desktops will either be gone, or extremely expensive and reserved for things like video editing (in 4K at least) and CAD applicaitons.
Or, put in another way, I will be extremely disappointed if tablets or at least laptops do not have the power of my current i7 2600 rig within the next 10 years.
Either way, it is sad that something I have enjoyed so much will likely be relegated to the extremes, and while I hope he will build his own server, or workstation, he will likely never have the opportunity to build a simple game machine.
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one more thing.
cable management with that case in the pics is WAAAY below standards..
and the writer/editor of this article and hardware tech should be ashamed.
cable management with that case in the pics is WAAAY below standards..
and the writer/editor of this article and hardware tech should be ashamed.
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[citation][nom]Chesteracorgi[/nom]Nice start but I consider the parameters set to be a bit miserly. Most kids want decent performance for more demanding games. My build for the grand kids: i3 2120 CPU, H67 mobo, 650 W PSU, GTX 470 GPU, 320 GB HDD, 8GB 1033 RAM. This build rips in most games and excepting the CPU all of the parts are recycled from previous builds.[/citation]
this is for kids, not teenagers. I would hope that you do not allow your 5-10 year old to go around playing COD.
If a teen wants his (or her) own game rig then they can do odd jobs and fund their own addiction.
this is for kids, not teenagers. I would hope that you do not allow your 5-10 year old to go around playing COD.
If a teen wants his (or her) own game rig then they can do odd jobs and fund their own addiction.
2 times changing motherboard, 4 times CPU, 4 times cooler and additionally 11 VGA cards. How many cable ties I need and how much time is lost? 😀
The PSU cables of this cheap PSU are not sleeved, this looks like cable jungle, I know 😉
And another thing:
This story is even real in the end, because we have given this computer a 11 years old boy whose parents can not buy that. For this guy is this AMD APU more than enough, and please note: not everyone has enough money to buy his children the most expensive hardware. You are mostly tech-freaks, but there are also "normal" human 😀
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I'm sure most parents on this site are thinking the exact same thing I am.
I'm going to give my beast PC to my kid in 2 years and build a high end system for myself.
AMIRITE?
I'm going to give my beast PC to my kid in 2 years and build a high end system for myself.
AMIRITE?
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wow: upgrade paths, cable management, toothless, 3rd party cooling ... What are you people, a bunch of enthusiates or something? Best advice, from personal experience, written above: 1. Do Not get a case with top openings or I/O on the top. You are setting your child up for a Catastrophe. 2. Avoid I/O at the bottom of the case. Higher up usb's will last a year instead of 2 weeks.
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Tough time to be a kid managing your custom game rig, your tablet and of course your GPS enabled smart phone.
How can you squeeze in a play date with the other kids on the street ?
Oh wait, there are no longer kids on the street. They are all tweeting, texting and sexting each other now. What kind of social misfits are we producing this way ? Only time will tell if we will call them the 'lost Generation !
How can you squeeze in a play date with the other kids on the street ?
Oh wait, there are no longer kids on the street. They are all tweeting, texting and sexting each other now. What kind of social misfits are we producing this way ? Only time will tell if we will call them the 'lost Generation !
Kids shouldn't be **gaming** ... that's bad enough as an adult **perv**.
Get that connection? gaming = perv and w.r.t. children is a form of child-abuse. Yeah that's you palsy.
Kids under twelve ought to be **always** outside doing physical play, hiking, completing semi.threatening physical chores or if inside doing physical model building or reading. Hands-on mass-world effort! Seven hours hard physical effort per-day makes the lil' bastards appreciate a quiet hour of Livy or Herodotus after supper.
Feckin-A gamrhead byteboy parents ought to be flogged and sent to the gulag.
Get that connection? gaming = perv and w.r.t. children is a form of child-abuse. Yeah that's you palsy.
Kids under twelve ought to be **always** outside doing physical play, hiking, completing semi.threatening physical chores or if inside doing physical model building or reading. Hands-on mass-world effort! Seven hours hard physical effort per-day makes the lil' bastards appreciate a quiet hour of Livy or Herodotus after supper.
Feckin-A gamrhead byteboy parents ought to be flogged and sent to the gulag.
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[citation][nom]FormatC[/nom]No, this is what I had on matching components in my lab here, because we have recently tested these parts. This is a so-called recycling[/citation]
Maybe, but stock coolers *DO* get the job done for stock speeds. AMD's coolers have gone down hill in the past few years... they are noisy, but fine. The intel stock coolers I've been using on Core3, i5-2k/3k CPUs have worked excellent - silent, after startup. I do minimal or no Overclocking... I need to CPUs to last 4~10 years, not 1 or 2 years. Young adults Overclock - those with kids and IRL needs do not.
A giant $20~30 fan is not needed for a stock computer. I forgot to post about this one my 1st post.
Also, I find Thermaltake's TR2 series of PSUs to be quite good for the money. $30~35 for the 430watt and $40~50 for their 500watt models. Very quiet (silent), 5 year warranty. I get those if a client doesn't want to spend $80~100 on a Corsair TX series. (Sorry Corsair, your CX cheap models have burned me twice).
Maybe, but stock coolers *DO* get the job done for stock speeds. AMD's coolers have gone down hill in the past few years... they are noisy, but fine. The intel stock coolers I've been using on Core3, i5-2k/3k CPUs have worked excellent - silent, after startup. I do minimal or no Overclocking... I need to CPUs to last 4~10 years, not 1 or 2 years. Young adults Overclock - those with kids and IRL needs do not.
A giant $20~30 fan is not needed for a stock computer. I forgot to post about this one my 1st post.
Also, I find Thermaltake's TR2 series of PSUs to be quite good for the money. $30~35 for the 430watt and $40~50 for their 500watt models. Very quiet (silent), 5 year warranty. I get those if a client doesn't want to spend $80~100 on a Corsair TX series. (Sorry Corsair, your CX cheap models have burned me twice).
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Giving a child his own computer is less about 'giving' them something, and more about protecting your own PC while giving them the opportunity to learn how the computer works, mess things up, and not have to worry about the wrath of Dad.
Unsure if this is easily doable, but benchmarking of some other games: Sim3, Spore, etc which are more likely to be found in use on PCs built to these specifications and still tax the hardware.
Unsure if this is easily doable, but benchmarking of some other games: Sim3, Spore, etc which are more likely to be found in use on PCs built to these specifications and still tax the hardware.
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