Building a new high end ryzen system.

[Eons32]

So, my current desktop is 4 ish years old, my i5-3570k and gtx 670 ftw isn't pulling as much power as I'd like, for instance, on a duel monitor set up, smite on one screen and twitch on the other, i see massive fps drops.

So anyway, I've been looking at the new Ryzen cpus, as it's great for gaming, streaming (watching streams and streaming myself) and multitasking. seems perfect.
But the issue is, I can't pick between the 1700 and the 1700x.
I've looked around and people say just buy the 1700 and overclock it, you'll save money and you'll out perform the 1800x. The issue is that I've never overclocked before and I don't even fully understand it, like do you keep it constantly overclocked? I also say that the 1700 overclocked to 4.00 ghz pulls a massive amount of voltage, significantly more then the 1700x, so my thinking is, if i get the 1700 and overclock it to 4 ghz, then it simply won't last me long since it's pulling more voltage, resulting in higher temps and ultimately, lowering its life.

In terms of GPU too, i've been looking at the 1080TI but jesus is it expensive, I mean I don't really mind spending £700 on the graphic card but is it ultimately worth it? A few people said I could get a 1070 sc and buy another one in the future and SLI it, match power but i've also read most games can't utilize sli setups?

So what's worth it, taking cost into account but not limiting myself.

 

[vrumor]

According to the hierarchy charts here on TH, which is what I use for purposes like these, the new Ryzen chips are on par with your 3570k. I own a 3570k as well and honestly feel, for what I play, there is zero need to upgrade. If you are planning to stream, or record, maybe you should just buy a 1080ti and plug it in to your current system and see how it performs. If you are just gaming on it, id say there is zero need to upgrade. If you are planning on buying one anyhow, you may find it is plenty for what you need. And can save your duckets for something down the line.

 

[neieus]

Hmm interesting this is the first time I'm not able to agree with the TH Hierarchy chart. There are plenty of benchmarks out there that shows the Ryzen chips in some instants on par with a 3570k while at the same time out pacing the 7700k as well as some of Intel's even more expensive CPU's. My advice is this.... don't use one single source for your decision. However I would suggest that if you can buy the 1080ti or which ever GPU you can afford and see how that performs with your current setup. If it turns out you're bottlenecking the GPU then there's a reason to upgrade. This will also allow you more time to make your decision after additional research.

Minor correction: According to the TH chart the Ryzen line is far above the 3570k but still for me anyway I just can't agree with their assessment.

Minor correction2: Sorry I'm stupid I now understand how they have the CPU's listed on the chart. They are set to be centered in the box and not to be directly compared to the adjacent cpu.

 

[MeanMachine41]

HeHe I bet this is going to be another thread where the Intel Fan club are going to invade your thread with Bull***t on how you would be better going with Intel as gaming and single thread performance tops the Ryzen. Well imo that's not going to last once the AM4 platform,Bios updates and gaming optimization has been sorted in the next few weeks.

I too am Pioneering so to speak and have started my build.
I chose the Crosshair VI Hero and 1800x however not just for gaming. I do a lot of CAD work and rendering so need the 8 core performance and I'm sure my gaming experience will have me maxing out all settings with decent FPS.
I chose the EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 FTW HYBRID as I could not justify spending on a 1080TI.
Iv'e stopped looking at reviews and comments and now am concentrating on making this build work well.

As it's probably your first time with the UEFI Bios I recommend you read up as this is where you tune for performance. It can be a little daunting at first but with help here on the Forum it won't take long.

Good Luck with your build Eons32 and keep a build log to share with others.

 

[vrumor]

Think you have to keep in mind that the chart is based on gaming performance if im not mistaken.

 

[madmatt30]

Eons32 - I'll be going for the r5 1600 myself personally on April 11 paired with a 1080 (because these cards are available for just over £400 since the 1080ti release)

6c/12t should be enough for gaming & streaming easily & overclocked these should pull far less wattage/voltage than the ryzen 7s.

ultimately I think that combo is where the price to performance ratio is the strongest by a fair stretch.

 

[Todd Melanson]

The 1700X is your choice if you plan to Overclock long term. And yes, the 1700X is definitely an upgrade over your 3570k. It's going to be more on par with a 7700k once AM4 bios, Windows and driver optimizations kick in. It's only a step below it now and exceeds it in some instances at a fraction of the cost.

Don't let butt hurt Intel fanboys convince you of some untrue mythology because they're suddenly feeling like the unwashed masses they used to profess us to be for choosing FX8350 cpus when they were miles better in regards to price to performance ratio for the last 5 years.

The problem with Ryzen is the main stream tech press all agrees that AMD now has Intel genuinely concerned for the first time in a decade.