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Just so that I can make sure that I understand this whole DH-being-demodded thing, can someone please verify that I haven't missed some key fact that somehow puts this into a better light?
What I understand is: SOD disagreed with a mod. DH refrained from taking action against SOD becuase he had the opinion that SOD at least had a point, but more so had concerns that taking such action against SOD could be considered a moderation abuse of power. And so instead of the moderators discussing with DH why he felt the way he did, or heaven forbid respecting that he had a difference of opinion and taking the opportunity to look at their own behavior and ensure that they were acting out of the highest good before they acted, they went and made sure that DH got de-modded because he wasn't being chummy-chummy with the clique?
Have I missed something somewhere?
What I understand is: SOD disagreed with a mod. DH refrained from taking action against SOD becuase he had the opinion that SOD at least had a point, but more so had concerns that taking such action against SOD could be considered a moderation abuse of power. And so instead of the moderators discussing with DH why he felt the way he did, or heaven forbid respecting that he had a difference of opinion and taking the opportunity to look at their own behavior and ensure that they were acting out of the highest good before they acted, they went and made sure that DH got de-modded because he wasn't being chummy-chummy with the clique?
Have I missed something somewhere?
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Which is exactly why I offer the opportunity to illuminate the situation into a different light.
No, what's sad is that you judge without asking. I at least asked. I leave room for new facts to be submitted. I consider no matter ever fully closed. One can only judge by what one has seen. And as I said, so far, I'm not impressed.
And when I say that I am not impressed, I do not just mean with the facts. I also mean with these disgusting attitudes from people who should be above that by the very nature of their position.
I would suggest that if someone cannot handle their position with the grace and dignity it is due, then perhaps they do not deserve that position in the first place.
This is a technical forum. Further, it is owned by a professional business. Moderators, as chosen representatives of that business, do great damage to that business by not acting with the same level of professionalism. I would think that if TG Publishing cared in any way about their image, they would take this opportunity to look at exactly how their choice of representatives are reflecting upon them.
RobD
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What I say at this point will make no difference. You've already firmly indicated who's version of events you are prepared to believe. Read the thread.
What's also sad is that fact that you chose to ignore the lengthy reply I wrote to you in regard to your initial query. I answered that politely and with the good grace that it deserved. What do I get? Nothing. Now I am not impressed by that. So if someone cannot answer a question with the good grace and dignity that the question deserved, then perhaps they do not deserve to be treated with any grace and dignity any more.
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No, I've firmly indicated who's side I've taken based on what I've seen. And you meanwhile continue to offer nothing new that changes anything. There's a difference between complaining about something, and doing something.
Perhaps you've not been aware of the gigantic gaps in between my posts? I've been rather busy at the moment, and have been taking away time from things I should be doing just to help out the community here because in spite of much more important things going on in my life, I wanted to make sure to take the time for the community. Obviosuly, I must have missed your post. Sorry. If I can find time, I'll go back and look for it. But it's now the end of the hour, and my time is at an end.
And for your information, getting so huffy about it instead of asking if I even saw it certainly isn't making you look any better.
And further, since when is it ever my job to impress you? I'm not a moderator representing TG Publishing. I'd just a general run-of-the-mill user. I can be a complete jackass for all that I'm responsible for.
pat
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because it is Ned that register a new name everytime he want to post something becausehe's banned...
And every new name got banned..
here goes freedom of speech..
Anyway.. this forum was nice and fun when there was almost no rule.. now, it took only a few month to make it the crap it is becomming. That's what happen when you try to put rules in something that don't need it. I'm perfectly ok with moderation in the computer related section to avoid flame war or to move the post in the related section. An by the way mods, there is a lot of mess to be cleaned there.. moderation time would be better used there, imho, than here limiting freedom of speech.
CHEEZball, if you want to keep posting, you better find find something for the acronym "WTF" before someone report you for abusing language.. and don't talk about being on crack here.. someone could take this seriously and report that you initiated hm or her to drugs..
BigMac
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You're doing a swell job too being just that, a complete jackass.
Just to see if I got my facts straight? You are a very busy man, and cannot be bothered by reading all stuf in this topic, but you demand to be filled in, on your personal terms? I charge $250 per hour for summarizing topics. Just PM me with credit card details if you're interested.
dhlucke
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I simply don't understand why the mods have to treat members this way. You might only moderate a few sections but you still are a mod and you just called a user a complete jackass.
If one of my employees told my customers to STFU or called them a jackass I'd give them one warning and then I'd fire them. I might even fire them on the spot.
If one of my employees told my customers to STFU or called them a jackass I'd give them one warning and then I'd fire them. I might even fire them on the spot.
dhlucke
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It's a bit verbose for me to reply to. Besides, if you want to know why I chose to tell him to apologize then use common sense.
While you guys were attacking him, name calling, and taunting, I chose to be civil. You guys accomplished nothing. In the moderator section everyone wanted him to apologize as well. I simply relayed that.
I also had the privledge of seeing the way you posted about people in the moderator section after I was gone so I'm not going to give you too much of my time unfortionately. You're excused. If you're not calling someone a jackass you're calling them an idiot or working on conspiracy theories. I have no time for that right now.
While you guys were attacking him, name calling, and taunting, I chose to be civil. You guys accomplished nothing. In the moderator section everyone wanted him to apologize as well. I simply relayed that.
I also had the privledge of seeing the way you posted about people in the moderator section after I was gone so I'm not going to give you too much of my time unfortionately. You're excused. If you're not calling someone a jackass you're calling them an idiot or working on conspiracy theories. I have no time for that right now.
BigMac
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You can be pretty verbose yourself at times so it would be courteous of you to reply regardless of its length. It's not about why you chose to tell hin to apologize. I would like to know from you what you think about my comment on that (I'll repeat it for your convenience):
Use your common sense in answering why you think it is perfectly ok to use an apology as a tool "to calm them down" as you put it.
I have not been calling him names in that topic other than I've been calling SoD before that, and btw same holds for you, you've called him stupid, an idiot and clueless countless times.
But this is not about SoD at all, it is about you. What do you have to gain? What are your motives? What are your methods? Why was Mozz so upset? It's nothing you say, but he left. Why did you need to drag Phukface into this? No harm done you say? You just have no idea about how people feel, it seems.
This is about the lamest thing you've written so far, at least to me I think. I can say the same thing, of what I've seen and heard. I don't think that is relevant in a public debate, where everyone else cannot see what you and I have seen elsewhere. The only thing you are doing now, is dismissing yourself. Or more accurately, you are trying to find a way out of this. Why?
For once, try to come to the point. Why can you not accept judgement calls from moderators? You can disagree with them all you like but you have to go on an on about it. You have to drag other people into it and hurt them. For what? It does not fly. You do not care one bit about any of it. What do you think you will accomplish by going on and on about it?
How come everyone that comes to stand opposite you in any discussion or activity feels that you are constantly twisting and manipulating things? How can that be? Obviously you don't agree with that, but why do all these people have that perception? They must all be mad? Are they all unreasonable? Well one thing they all have in common, they have feelings. Feelings of trust, friendship, and they feel betrayed.
Jake_Barnes
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Man, are you ever wrong. I have edited and deleted posts and threads that I felt violated the ToS, were abusive to other members and/or myself or were just plain inappropriate. Now if you'll read the ToS, it says:
That's pretty much all I need. I was appointed a Moderator by Fredi and asked to moderate everywhere. I have and will continue, dispite the lies, innuendo and just general horsesh|t that is being slung around.
I don't "belong" to you or anybody. I do this strictly on a voluntary basis.
If you have an objection or complaint - PM Fredi with details, not just general whinning ... (this is dhlucke's favorite line).
Now, I'm going to accuse you of shooting from the hip. I hope that doesn't offend you.
I wish you could see your post the way I, and some others do
Dont get me wrong, I know there is all of that involved, but sometimes perhaps, you get caught up in a missed perception.
I do understand that you want to be a mod, though for the life of me, I dont know why (it's too much work, too many jerks like me, and it does cost friendships), and am gratefull that you are willing to take on the task. I just wish that you appeared more cool and collected about it.
I wish you could see your post the way I, and some others do
"felt" hmm, it sounds like an emotional response, no "without prejudice". or "unbiased reason" involved, just because you felt.
Dont get me wrong, I know there is all of that involved, but sometimes perhaps, you get caught up in a missed perception.
Maybe that's true, and then again, sometimes the wisdom of Soloman might help.
It might help if you didn't start in on the offensive. Dont tell people they are wrong, show where they are wrong, dont gloat or brag, and a little sympathy for hurting someones feelings isn't such a bad thing.
I do understand that you want to be a mod, though for the life of me, I dont know why (it's too much work, too many jerks like me, and it does cost friendships), and am gratefull that you are willing to take on the task. I just wish that you appeared more cool and collected about it.
Jake_Barnes
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1. No gloating or bragging, just "the facts". I'm curious, where do you see gloating? The fact that I say I'm a Moderator appointed by Fredi? Come on.
2. I pointed out where moderators have the ability (and authority, if you will) to interpret the "Rules" - and that wusy's views were "just a bit off the mark" - was that what you were looking for?
3. Actually, I've not enjoyed being a moderator for a while now. It's the sniping, distortions and innuendo (I use this word a lot, because it accurately describes "accusations" that other parties have been invited to prove and have yet to do so).
4. A little background, initially, when there were only 2 moderators, all the abuse reports/complaints came to me (the 1st guy on the list), therefore, I had to deal with 100% of the "report this post" complaints. Since this had never been a moderated forum before, the 1st moderator requests/instructions that many ever saw here ever came from me - it's no wonder that the initial reactions were negative. Kind of came with the territory. What bothered me the most, was the other moderator laying back and after situations were delt with (smoothly or with some difficulty) jumping in to say they could have handled it better ... god, hindsight is always 20-20.
"More cool and collected ..." ... hummm, your take on it, and you are entitled to it as long as you keep it civil.
Another thing on the above, since you and I have never had a single moderator complaint situation before, where do see that I could be "more cool and collected"? From the 3rd party PM's you're getting? (hint: I've received 4-5 copies of the "Dear Fredi" PM and others). I've tried to caution you before about those.
Just between you and I (from a week old PM), I like that flag avatar graphic. I love the colors in that "graphic" and it is my country's flag (USA). It's the same flag used by Democrats, Republicans, Independents, etc. I don't "wave it", I just use use it as an avatar and am glad I found it easily - avatars don't mean that much to me. Btw, I'm independent; but your being Canadian, I can see where that might not be the system that your used to.
This isn't directed at you endyen, since you and I have never had any issues that I'm aware of, but for the benefit of others who will read this post. If you feel "abused" by a moderator, then, for godsakes, send the complaint AND PROOF to Fredi. He will review it and act acordingly. Please, don't just say "xyz moderator was rude or insulted me" , send the actual PM. I have every moderator PM that I have ever sent and every reply that I have ever received. I can debunk or backup any claims, so keep them honest and accurate.
Jake_Barnes
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Pat, you never got banned for talking about your crack habit before ... why would Cheezy? ... 8)
To paraphrase what someone "wrote" in another section, "I'll fight for Cheezy's right to discuss her crack habits ... "
To paraphrase what someone "wrote" in another section, "I'll fight for Cheezy's right to discuss her crack habits ... "
Jake_Barnes
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Jake_Barnes
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Ok Pat, I'll bite ... before what? ... 8O
before the new forum...
You'll need to talk to somebody with a lot more "juice" than me 8O
Jake_Barnes
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And that's why he was removed as a Moderator ... 8O
LOL ... man, did you totally miss what I was saying or what :roll:
Like I said, I wish you could see your post through my eyes. Maybe it's the use of so many "I"s. Maybe it's just the tone.
Ya, sort of, most people dont respond well to "you're wrong". I know it's done in the other, between old guard, but for most places, them's fighting words.
I am sorry to hear that. My perseption is to be a good mod, you have to feel good about what you do. I do hope that things get better for you.
4 Is probably what it's all about. You are a no nonsense, cut to the chase guy (my perception, and not ment as an insult) Perhaps it would be better sometimes if you just slowed it down a notch. I'll use Ned as an example. It may have been resolved more easily, if you had started with something like.
You do catch more flies with sugar than with vinegar.
And no, you dont have to waste your time with everyone, but people who have been posting here for over a year?
As far as keeping it civil, ya that's a good idea, for bothe of us. Sometimes I go off the deep end, and I dont generally back down from a fight.
Maybe I'm missing something, but I dont know what the Dear Fredi PMs are.
The flag avatar. Oh you will like this. When I noticed it was when you and DH both had the flag avatar. It was just after Mozz left, and I was a little worried about how Mods were seen.
I thought of Spitfire and how international the forum is. Maybe some of the members may not be too happy with the U.S. But truth is, DH was just as much a concern.
While I'm at it, my biggest concern about the mods can be summed up by how they answer three questions
1 Was Bush right to invade Iraq?
2 Was Sadam Husien in league with the taliban?
3 Did the invasion of Iraq diminish world terrorism?
I think you all would answer yes to those. Most of the world would disagree. This forum is made up of "most of the world"
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