Caller ID shows only "716"

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For the past couple of days I've been getting calls on my VX6000 that
show up as "716" and nothing else. They happen at seemingly random
intervals. I've picked up one of them and no one answered (it was
immediately disconnected), and nothing is ever left on my voice mail.

I searched the internet and found a post here:
http://tinyurl.com/45v7m but the poster was anonymous and there was
no reply.

Does anyone know what this is? It seems more like some kind of glitch
to me than someone harrassing me. In fact, there it goes again, as I
type this.

I called Verizon and they said they can't do anything without being
subpoenaed, which means calling my local law enforcement. I'd really
rather not do that, but I'm starting to think it's the only thing that
will stop this nonsense.

Any advice/help/info is appreciated. Thanks.

--Quadriflax
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Quadriflax wrote:
> For the past couple of days I've been getting calls on my VX6000 that
> show up as "716" and nothing else. They happen at seemingly random
> intervals. I've picked up one of them and no one answered (it was
> immediately disconnected), and nothing is ever left on my voice mail.
>
> I searched the internet and found a post here:
> http://tinyurl.com/45v7m but the poster was anonymous and there was
> no reply.
>
> Does anyone know what this is? It seems more like some kind of glitch
> to me than someone harrassing me. In fact, there it goes again, as I
> type this.
>
> I called Verizon and they said they can't do anything without being
> subpoenaed, which means calling my local law enforcement. I'd really
> rather not do that, but I'm starting to think it's the only thing that
> will stop this nonsense.
>
> Any advice/help/info is appreciated. Thanks.
>
> --Quadriflax
> "To insanity and beyond..."

Sure.. You have a telemarketer dialing your phone (maybe/maybe not ac 716,
((don't know where you area, but 716 is the NW New York: Buffalo, Rochester
area code)) Or could just be list 716, or could just be the telemarketers
trick, to get by any no caller id block.)
At any rate, that's the new trick since there is at least some silly
caller-id that means nothing, you can't block calls with no caller id since
it has one.

Not much you can do about it, don't answer, welcome to the world of
annoyance and harrasing phone calls

 

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Quadriflax wrote:
>
> For the past couple of days I've been getting calls on my VX6000 that
> show up as "716" and nothing else. They happen at seemingly random
> intervals. I've picked up one of them and no one answered (it was
> immediately disconnected), and nothing is ever left on my voice mail.
>
> <snip>

Her Majesty's Secret Service (Similar to "007")?

Notan

 

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On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:59:23 -0800, "Peter Pan"
<Marcs1102NOSPAM@HotmailNOSPAM.com> wrote:

>Sure.. You have a telemarketer dialing your phone (maybe/maybe not ac 716,
>((don't know where you area, but 716 is the NW New York: Buffalo, Rochester
>area code)) Or could just be list 716, or could just be the telemarketers
>trick, to get by any no caller id block.)
>At any rate, that's the new trick since there is at least some silly
>caller-id that means nothing, you can't block calls with no caller id since
>it has one.
>
>Not much you can do about it, don't answer, welcome to the world of
>annoyance and harrasing phone calls
>

How do they trick the call ID to read just a three digit number? I've
never heard of anything like that before. I'm in Rochester, and 716
was my old area code from a couple of years ago until they switched to
585. But you wouldn't happen to have a link to some more information
on this, would you?

Because wouldn't the telemarketer's goal be to TALK to me to try and
sell me something? I'm not even getting any hang ups on my voice
mail, I don't hear even a click when I try to answer. It almost
sounds like some kind of technical glitch on Verizon's end, or with my
phone.

I guess I don't get how you can trick caller ID. Block it, yes, but
trick it?

I actually did talk with my local PD, and they said (of course) that
there's nothing they can do unless it's coming up as restricted, a
number, or is threatening in nature. They can't get involved unless
there's a crime. Which I figured, but how the hell can Verizon claim
they can't let me know who's calling MY phone? What the hell is that?

I'm going to wait and see what happens, but if it keeps it up I might
have to switch my number.

--Quadriflax
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Quadriflax wrote:
>
> How do they trick the call ID to read just a three digit number? I've
> never heard of anything like that before. I'm in Rochester, and 716
> was my old area code from a couple of years ago until they switched to
> 585. But you wouldn't happen to have a link to some more information
> on this, would you?
>
> --Quadriflax
> "To insanity and beyond..."

You can forge a caller ID very simply, search on the internet for that, I
won't paste the results here since there are 10 of thousands of them, but
this site has some good info... http://www.verizonfears.com/

The other part of your question was link to a site that does it.. There are
quite a few, some just for a test to try it but they charge $5, however
there are dozens of commercial sites that sell Caller ID Spoofing services.

 

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Quadriflax wrote:
>
> On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:59:23 -0800, "Peter Pan"
> <Marcs1102NOSPAM@HotmailNOSPAM.com> wrote:
>
> >Sure.. You have a telemarketer dialing your phone (maybe/maybe not ac 716,
> >((don't know where you area, but 716 is the NW New York: Buffalo, Rochester
> >area code)) Or could just be list 716, or could just be the telemarketers
> >trick, to get by any no caller id block.)
> >At any rate, that's the new trick since there is at least some silly
> >caller-id that means nothing, you can't block calls with no caller id since
> >it has one.
> >
> >Not much you can do about it, don't answer, welcome to the world of
> >annoyance and harrasing phone calls
> >
>
> How do they trick the call ID to read just a three digit number? I've
> never heard of anything like that before. I'm in Rochester, and 716
> was my old area code from a couple of years ago until they switched to
> 585. But you wouldn't happen to have a link to some more information
> on this, would you?
>
> Because wouldn't the telemarketer's goal be to TALK to me to try and
> sell me something? I'm not even getting any hang ups on my voice
> mail, I don't hear even a click when I try to answer. It almost
> sounds like some kind of technical glitch on Verizon's end, or with my
> phone.
>
> I guess I don't get how you can trick caller ID. Block it, yes, but
> trick it?
>
> I actually did talk with my local PD, and they said (of course) that
> there's nothing they can do unless it's coming up as restricted, a
> number, or is threatening in nature. They can't get involved unless
> there's a crime. Which I figured, but how the hell can Verizon claim
> they can't let me know who's calling MY phone? What the hell is that?
>
> I'm going to wait and see what happens, but if it keeps it up I might
> have to switch my number.
>
> --Quadriflax
> "To insanity and beyond..."

Wonder if it is a robot dialer looking for fax machines or computers
that hangs up as soon as it recognuzes your phone is neither.

LB

 

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Quadriflax wrote:


> How do they trick the call ID to read just a three digit number? I've
> never heard of anything like that before. I'm in Rochester, and 716
> was my old area code from a couple of years ago until they switched to
> 585. But you wouldn't happen to have a link to some more information
> on this, would you?

I don't, but it's easy - call 888-480-4638 and the call gets forwarded to my
Sprint PCS phone, and 888-480-4638 is sent to my phone as the caller ID instead
of the area code 734 number actually associated with the number (the forwarding
is done by a small phone company in that area code, just outside of Detroit).

In this particular case I happen to know it's done with a PC and software and
hardware readily available, and it can be done with almost any PBX system -
there's really no verification possible, not the way the phone system is set up.

> I guess I don't get how you can trick caller ID. Block it, yes, but
> trick it?

You can't with a regular phone line and a single phone. You can with a PBX and
certain types of phone service.

> I'm going to wait and see what happens, but if it keeps it up I might
> have to switch my number.

Or you could just ignore calls with bogus CID.

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When I call my cell phone from half my company PBX extentions, only the
3-digit extension number shows. For some reason that is all that is being
sent by the PBX. My wife called me from her new office phone and my Caller
ID read "297." I asked her if her new extension was 297 and she wondered
how I knew.

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> On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:59:23 -0800, "Peter Pan"
>
> I'm going to wait and see what happens, but if it keeps it up I might
> have to switch my number.

 

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LB@notmine.com wrote:
>
> Wonder if it is a robot dialer looking for fax machines or computers
> that hangs up as soon as it recognuzes your phone is neither.
>
> LB

You may be missing the most obvious reason.. What if it is a robot dialer
looking for VALID phone numbers, and add em to a to call list if a live
person answers (no fax no voice mail etc) and hangs up when it gets a live
voice and adds it the the list?

Think about this, there are laws against spam, and one person was actually
prosecuted, but most people still get dozens a day.. What makes you think
telemarketer calls will stop just because a law against it was passed?

 

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Peter Pan wrote:
> LB@notmine.com wrote:
>>
>> Wonder if it is a robot dialer looking for fax machines
>> or computers that hangs up as soon as it recognuzes your
>> phone is neither.
>>
>> LB
>
> You may be missing the most obvious reason.. What if it
> is a robot dialer looking for VALID phone numbers, and
> add em to a to call list if a live person answers (no fax
> no voice mail etc) and hangs up when it gets a live voice
> and adds it the the list?
>
> Think about this, there are laws against spam, and one
> person was actually prosecuted, but most people still get
> dozens a day.. What makes you think telemarketer calls
> will stop just because a law against it was passed?

Oh, I don't know. Cause maybe calls are a bit more easily
traced to origin? What's the potential penalty?

-Quick

 

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Quick wrote:
> Peter Pan wrote:
>> LB@notmine.com wrote:
>>>
>>> Wonder if it is a robot dialer looking for fax machines
>>> or computers that hangs up as soon as it recognuzes your
>>> phone is neither.
>>>
>>> LB
>>
>> You may be missing the most obvious reason.. What if it
>> is a robot dialer looking for VALID phone numbers, and
>> add em to a to call list if a live person answers (no fax
>> no voice mail etc) and hangs up when it gets a live voice
>> and adds it the the list?
>>
>> Think about this, there are laws against spam, and one
>> person was actually prosecuted, but most people still get
>> dozens a day.. What makes you think telemarketer calls
>> will stop just because a law against it was passed?
>
> Oh, I don't know. Cause maybe calls are a bit more easily
> traced to origin? What's the potential penalty?
>
> -Quick

If the caller is from outside the US (and yes, you can get tie lines, ie no
tolls), there isn't a dang thing that can be done legally. You can get
millions of email addresses on cd for spam, guess what, you can ALSO get cd
lists of valid phone numbers!

Think worldwide, rather than think that the whole world is just like the
US....

Think it's too expensive to call to from other countries? Why are call
centers for some of the big tech companies being located in say India.. If
it was that expensive, they wouldn't have em there, the phone charges would
be way too high!

Use your favorite search engine for "valid phone numbers on cd"... I did,
and won't even bother with the pages and pages and pages etc of results.....
Metasearch results 1 - 10 of about 152,020 for valid phone numbers on cd

How about searching for "toll free calling from other countries"
Wow... incredible.... Metasearch results 1 - 10 of about 273,020 for toll
free calling from other countries

to reask your question, "What's the potential penalty?"... ZERO ZIP NADA
ZILCH NOTHING <--- there's 81 synonyms for none, shall I keep typing or
wanna look in a thesaurus? (although some are a bit wierd... no big
enchilada !?!?!?)

 

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Peter Pan wrote:
> Quick wrote:
>> Peter Pan wrote:
>>> LB@notmine.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Wonder if it is a robot dialer looking for fax machines
>>>> or computers that hangs up as soon as it recognuzes
>>>> your phone is neither.
>>>>
>>>> LB
>>>
>>> You may be missing the most obvious reason.. What if it
>>> is a robot dialer looking for VALID phone numbers, and
>>> add em to a to call list if a live person answers (no
>>> fax no voice mail etc) and hangs up when it gets a live
>>> voice and adds it the the list?
>>>
>>> Think about this, there are laws against spam, and one
>>> person was actually prosecuted, but most people still
>>> get dozens a day.. What makes you think telemarketer
>>> calls will stop just because a law against it was
>>> passed?
>>
>> Oh, I don't know. Cause maybe calls are a bit more easily
>> traced to origin? What's the potential penalty?
>>
>> -Quick
>
> If the caller is from outside the US (and yes, you can
> get tie lines, ie no tolls), there isn't a dang thing
> that can be done legally. You can get millions of email
> addresses on cd for spam, guess what, you can ALSO get cd
> lists of valid phone numbers!

Having the phone numbers has nothing to do with anything.
..121 numbers are well defined. A computer can run through
them easily, classify and file them. That's not the issue.

>
> Think worldwide, rather than think that the whole world
> is just like the US....
>
> Think it's too expensive to call to from other countries?
> Why are call centers for some of the big tech companies
> being located in say India.. If it was that expensive,
> they wouldn't have em there, the phone charges would be
> way too high!

Sorry. It's the person sitting on the end of the phone that
is the overriding expense.

> Use your favorite search engine for "valid phone numbers
> on cd"... I did, and won't even bother with the pages and
> pages and pages etc of results..... Metasearch results 1
> - 10 of about 152,020 for valid phone numbers on cd

See above (again).

> How about searching for "toll free calling from other
> countries"
> Wow... incredible.... Metasearch results 1 - 10 of about
> 273,020 for toll free calling from other countries

See above (again).

> to reask your question, "What's the potential
> penalty?"... ZERO ZIP NADA ZILCH NOTHING <--- there's 81
> synonyms for none, shall I keep typing or wanna look in a
> thesaurus? (although some are a bit wierd... no big
> enchilada !?!?!?)

Let me ask the question again... What is the penalty?
Or did they pass a law with no penalty.

We can discuss enforceability in the next chapter.

-Quick

 

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Quick wrote:
> Let me ask the question again... What is the penalty?
> Or did they pass a law with no penalty.
>
> We can discuss enforceability in the next chapter.
>
> -Quick

Apparntly I wasn't clear enough.. For a caller outside the US, calling a
number inside the US... ABSOLUTELY NO PENALTY from US laws.

 

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Peter Pan wrote:
> Quick wrote:
>> Let me ask the question again... What is the penalty?
>> Or did they pass a law with no penalty.
>>
>> We can discuss enforceability in the next chapter.
>>
>> -Quick
>
> Apparntly I wasn't clear enough.. For a caller outside
> the US, calling a number inside the US... ABSOLUTELY NO
> PENALTY from US laws.

It is a simple question.
What is the penalty as the law is written?

-Quick

 

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Peter Pan wrote:
> Quick wrote:
>> Let me ask the question again... What is the penalty?
>> Or did they pass a law with no penalty.
>>
>> We can discuss enforceability in the next chapter.
>>
>> -Quick
>
> Apparntly I wasn't clear enough.. For a caller outside
> the US, calling a number inside the US... ABSOLUTELY NO
> PENALTY from US laws.

Oh... sorry, maybe I misunderstood.

Are you saying that the law/regulation as written specifically
states "there is no penalty for calls made from outside the US"?

-Quick

 

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On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 00:26:19 GMT, Quadriflax
<quadriNOflax@yahooSPAM.com> wrote:

>How do they trick the call ID to read just a three digit number? I've
>never heard of anything like that before.

With a PRI and the right software, you can put in whatever caller ID
you want. When I administered the phone system at a company I worked
at, it was a field in the software. I could have put 111-111-1111 if I
wanted. I never tried a 3 digit number.

>I'm in Rochester, and 716 was my old area code from a couple of years ago until they switched to
>585. But you wouldn't happen to have a link to some more information
>on this, would you?

Information on what?

>Because wouldn't the telemarketer's goal be to TALK to me to try and
>sell me something?

Yes, but not to give you a valid telephone number.

>I guess I don't get how you can trick caller ID. Block it, yes, but
>trick it?

Yes, you can.

>but how the hell can Verizon claim they can't let me know who's calling MY phone? What the hell is that?

Privacy. Unless it's harassment. They do have a code you can use,
*<something> and with a police or court order, they will reveal the
number to the police, but again, it would have to be a harassment
issue or other police issue.

>I'm going to wait and see what happens, but if it keeps it up I might
>have to switch my number.

Have you tried to *69 them?
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On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 20:37:17 -0800, "Peter Pan"
<Marcs1102NOSPAM@HotmailNOSPAM.com> wrote:

>Think it's too expensive to call to from other countries? Why are call
>centers for some of the big tech companies being located in say India..

Most of them I believe use IP phones. No toll charges there.
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Quick wrote:
> Peter Pan wrote:
>> Quick wrote:
>>> Let me ask the question again... What is the penalty?
>>> Or did they pass a law with no penalty.
>>>
>>> We can discuss enforceability in the next chapter.
>>>
>>> -Quick
>>
>> Apparntly I wasn't clear enough.. For a caller outside
>> the US, calling a number inside the US... ABSOLUTELY NO
>> PENALTY from US laws.
>
> Oh... sorry, maybe I misunderstood.
>
> Are you saying that the law/regulation as written specifically
> states "there is no penalty for calls made from outside the US"?
>
> -Quick

It doesn't HAVE to be written that way.. US law doesn't matter/apply outside
of the US!

 

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Evan Platt wrote:
> On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 20:37:17 -0800, "Peter Pan"
> <Marcs1102NOSPAM@HotmailNOSPAM.com> wrote:
>
>> Think it's too expensive to call to from other
>> countries? Why are call centers for some of the big tech
>> companies being located in say India..
>
> Most of them I believe use IP phones. No toll charges
> there.

Yes, there is a charge for the service by the service provider
unless you're calling IP phone to IP phone and then you
still have to pay your ISP.

But that's insignificant to the cost of the person making the
call. Automated voice recordings (pre-emptive Peter Pan
response reply) don't work. Not effective. You can't make the
analogy to (email) spam. For spam to be effective you only
need a single "hit" in 10s of thousands all of which can be
generated in minutes or seconds. A voice recording/
telemarketer call is in real time. It doesn't scale.

All the above is *beside* the point. Cost is completely
tangential to the issue.
1) telemarketing is for domestic products.
2) even if the call is originated from overseas it can
easily be tied to the domestic product/firm.

Please focus (very narrowly PeterPan) on the above
2 points and show me where I'm wrong.

-Quick

 

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Quick wrote:
>
> But that's insignificant to the cost of the person making the
> call. Automated voice recordings (pre-emptive Peter Pan
> response reply) don't work. Not effective. You can't make the
> analogy to (email) spam. For spam to be effective you only
> need a single "hit" in 10s of thousands all of which can be
> generated in minutes or seconds. A voice recording/
> telemarketer call is in real time. It doesn't scale.
>
> All the above is *beside* the point. Cost is completely
> tangential to the issue.
> 1) telemarketing is for domestic products.
> 2) even if the call is originated from overseas it can
> easily be tied to the domestic product/firm.
>
> Please focus (very narrowly PeterPan) on the above
> 2 points and show me where I'm wrong.
>
> -Quick

You missed the point that there are over 41,000 hits on searching for US
firms that sell validated email and phone numbers on CD to the
telemarketers. (search criteria: verified phone numbers on CD)

If I was an overseas telemarketer, would I want to make thousands of calls
to people in the US to get a valid number, or pay a few hundred bucks for a
list of numbers/emails that have been verified and are usually answered by a
live person?

You have made one MAJOR error in your suppositions... Telemarketing is *NOT*
for domestic products only.. Got a walmart near you? How much of the stuff
they sell is made domestically?

 

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Peter Pan wrote:
> Quick wrote:
>>
>> But that's insignificant to the cost of the person
>> making the call. Automated voice recordings (pre-emptive
>> Peter Pan response reply) don't work. Not effective. You
>> can't make the analogy to (email) spam. For spam to be
>> effective you only need a single "hit" in 10s of
>> thousands all of which can be generated in minutes or
>> seconds. A voice recording/ telemarketer call is in real
>> time. It doesn't scale.
>>
>> All the above is *beside* the point. Cost is completely
>> tangential to the issue.
>> 1) telemarketing is for domestic products.
>> 2) even if the call is originated from overseas it can
>> easily be tied to the domestic product/firm.
>>
>> Please focus (very narrowly PeterPan) on the above
>> 2 points and show me where I'm wrong.
>>
>> -Quick
>
> You missed the point that there are over 41,000 hits on
> searching for US firms that sell validated email and
> phone numbers on CD to the telemarketers. (search
> criteria: verified phone numbers on CD)

No I didn't miss it.
First of all drop the email part. Forget about spam.
It's not the same. We are (well at least I'm trying to)
talking about telemarketing here.

The availability of validated and classified phone numbers
is not in question, not the issue, and not relavent. Please
let it go and try to move on.

> If I was an overseas telemarketer, would I want to make
> thousands of calls to people in the US to get a valid
> number, or pay a few hundred bucks for a list of
> numbers/emails that have been verified and are usually
> answered by a live person?

Gees, get past it. Lets assume that EVERYBODY already has
EVERYBODY's phone number and all their personal information
and buying habits, etc. Let's start there.


> You have made one MAJOR error in your suppositions...
> Telemarketing is *NOT* for domestic products only.. Got a
> walmart near you? How much of the stuff they sell is made
> domestically?

It's hopeless isn't it?
Let's try a SIMPLE analogy...
Let's assume that Walmart was to employ illegal immigrants
as stock persons at the Walmart down the street from me.
Let's assume that the INS became aware of this violation of
law.

Are you saying that Walmart would be exempt from penalty
because the stuff they sell is made overseas?

Focus Peter Pan, try to focus...
-Quick

 

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Quick wrote:

>
> Focus Peter Pan, try to focus...
> -Quick

Okay, i'll focus and just say what an idiot I think you are, and how you are
intentionally posting FALSE information.
You are really friggen stupid, intentionally trying to pass false
information, or just a plain old idiot trying to pass along FALSE
INFORMATION!
Hint... IT'S a *REALITY* that people get calls on their phones/cellphones
from offshore marketers!
There is not a friggen thing the US laws/courts can do to stop it!
Your insistence that they are laws against it so it can never happen is just
plain wrong and stupid!
Sounds like you are one of those idiots that think the whole world revolves
around teh US... hey guess what.... It doesn't!

 

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Peter Pan wrote:
> Quick wrote:
>
>>
>> Focus Peter Pan, try to focus...
>> -Quick
>
> Okay, i'll focus and just say what an idiot I think you
> are, and how you are intentionally posting FALSE
> information.
> You are really friggen stupid, intentionally trying to
> pass false information, or just a plain old idiot trying
> to pass along FALSE INFORMATION!
> Hint... IT'S a *REALITY* that people get calls on their
> phones/cellphones from offshore marketers!
> There is not a friggen thing the US laws/courts can do to
> stop it!
> Your insistence that they are laws against it so it can
> never happen is just plain wrong and stupid!
> Sounds like you are one of those idiots that think the
> whole world revolves around teh US... hey guess what....
> It doesn't!

sigh... i actually thought you were going to engage in an
intelligent conversation this time and not revert to your
standard response of labeling everyone as "intentionally
spreading LIES"... o, well.

-Quick

 

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> Are you saying that the law/regulation as written specifically
> states "there is no penalty for calls made from outside the US"?

No, not to my knowledge, it's not specifically written to say that... but
it's impossible to enforce it since it's out of the US jurisdiction without
assistance from local authorities and unless it was a major scam, the locals
won't do anything. (This is also a problem with the anti-spam laws.)

 

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cricket wrote:
>> Are you saying that the law/regulation as written
>> specifically states "there is no penalty for calls made
>> from outside the US"?
>
> No, not to my knowledge, it's not specifically written to
> say that...

Thanks, I know that. It was a rehtorical question for
PeterPan with absolutely no hope or expectation of
a coherent reply.

It is relevant though. Certainly a very direct and probably
effective deterrent to local infractions. Easily enforceable.

> but it's impossible to enforce it since it's
> out of the US jurisdiction without assistance from local
> authorities and unless it was a major scam, the locals
> won't do anything. (This is also a problem with the
> anti-spam laws.)

I don't agree. Spam is different as the product usually
does not have any geographical dependencies.

Think about what telemarketers sell. I cannot recall ever
have been cold called for an international product.
If we can agree on that then there may be some
valid discussion on the concept of overseas call centers.

Are they even viable in the context of telemarketing?
If we agree that the product is domestic wouldn't it be
a simple matter to tie an overseas call center with the
domestic business contracting it? It's kind of important
for them to tell you what to buy and how to buy it, right?

-Quick