Can Free Windows 9 Upgrades Help Microsoft Win the Platform War?

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64-bit CPU's, yes. 64-bit programs, no. A hell of a LOT of programs now are 32-bit so Microsoft is going to have to support 32-bit in 64-bit Windows for at least 20 more years, if not forever.
Really, I do not understand why people are saying "Windows iz bloatedz!" At 12GB's for a fresh installation of Windows 8.1 (5GB's of that being drivers at least) and 128GB SSD hard drives being 100 dollars and 1TB hard drives being 100 dollars..... why is using 1/10th of your space or 1/100th of your space such a bad thing for the OS?

To zanny, you are missing that Linux is SEVERELY limited compared to Windows 7 or 8/8.1. Severely in the extreme. You basically have almost no choice of software programs, dozens of games do not work on Linux because of various issues (not always being graphics driver issues), etc.
There is a reason why people like myself say that Linux is an uber-geek OS and only an uber-geek OS, it is still too command-line only.
 
Microsoft should learn from Google and try and become a services company. In order to do that, they gotta:
1 - reduce the crap in app store
2 - remove those 100,000 slide show apps from the app store
3 - bring down the price where apps can easily be bought for $1 or even less (talk about volume)
4 - make version 9 of Windows free and continue to update it until the next Windows is released
5 - windows with Bing sounds very good, bank on that
6 - make it user friendly for all users (both keyboard/mouse & touch)
7 - keep up the forum and maintain it in a better state
 
"Naked PCs" and Windows piracy are old problems for Microsoft that are now being accentuated by Microsoft also losing ground in mobile and in the whole computing devices market. Can free Windows 9 upgrades reverse this trend?
The problems with Microsoft Windows is actually complex.
1 - Computer OSes in general, are very fast, feature rich, reliable and stable compared to the days of MS-DOS(always pure crap), MacOS 1~9. Amiga OS 1~3. Linux is still excellent as well, but didn't have the 80s to deal with. Even with Windows95, it was COMMON to RE-INSTALL Win95 every 2~4 months. People like me used GHOST to image the C: Drive to save tons of time. My XP-SP2 install lasted 4 years. My Win7... never!

2 - Computer Hardware is VERY reliable and fast since the Core2 days. AMD threw in the hat since the Core i5-2000 series. Even Intel's tic-tock plan worked TOO well, it destroyed their only competition. Performance delta hasn't improved in 3 years much - other than power usage and die-shrink. The i5 2500 / 3570 / 4670 ($200 class CPU) are within 10% from oldest to newest. Remember the says when people upgraded yearly from a 300mhz CPU to a 400Mhz?!

3 - Mobile drove MS to make the Win8 Metro UI. The IDEA makes sense, but the execution failed. By making PC-OS look like Metro, the IDEA was that PEOPLE would be used to METRO who would then go out and BUY Metro Devices (Phones and tablets). But Win8 OS sucked, which means those Win8 phones and tablets were in LOW demand. If Windows 8 *LOOKED* like Windows 9.. and the option to have the 3D (Windows 7) and Classic (Win2000) look - then I and everyone else WOULD have jumped on it. As we witnessed MS, noticed that Me and others saw their failure and made Win8Pro a $40 deal.

4 - Steve Ballmer and rest of the board : They have their heads up their own and each others butts. MS divisions are at war with each other. Typical corporate self-destruction and laziness. Ballmer is a salesman, not a leader and is too old-school... HE wanted to run MS today as if it was 1995.

5 - Linux: Sure, it still has about 5% of the desktop market, but unlike Windows - its in a position to GROW market share. Steam is on Linux now. Linux has a great price of $0. It doesn't have NSA all over it. Its global. Its standard. If people think "Windows is easier" - okay, then explain how a novice is supposed to know to open a DOS-SHELL and type in IPCONFIG to do basic NETWORK functions which SHOULD be a GUI window?! My wife is a computer novice, even thou she is younger (30 vs my 45year old self). She pretty much only uses a desktop for *WORK*. When I was done with Windows8 testing on one of my ThinkPads, I installed LinuxMint (10mins) and it was faster and far easier to use than WINDOWS 8! That is her work computer. I figured out how to use Linux since things are OBVIOUS vs. Win8 GUI toilet interface. Only thing Linux needs is full software support from INTUIT and Adobe and better driver support from AMD and Nvidia.

6 - Games: Microsoft has pushed to KILL PC gaming because they want people to BUY XBOX and XBOX games. Proof: Check out the number of MS-Studio games in the past 10 years that came out for their console vs. PC. Halo3? Nope. Gears of War 2, 3, etc? NO! (I bought gears of war 1 for my PC... I would have bought others) A top selling PC game would be a million sales... which is crap sales for consoles (PS3 or 360 or both combined) Only a few PC games have 5+ million buyers and those are WOW players pretty much. My anger at MS for screwing PC players is that I refuse to buy ANY MS hardware. We recently got a PS3 (more cheap games and deals) with a PS4 purchase planned for Christmas or next spring. PS: I know of nobody who has an XBONE. They either bought a PS4 or going to buy a PS4. PC gaming is generally dead... its a limited market.

7 - Android and iOS: This is the big one. This is where Windows fanbois fail and while MS failed. Based on the last time I looked, for the ENTIRE world market of OS usage. Microsoft is about 22% market share. Android is about 50% and about 30% is Apple. You may say "well, you can't compare Mobile OS to desktop". Yes you can... and Microsoft KNOWS THIS!

You see, MOST people are not computer geeks or whatever. Its a means to an end. How it works and who makes it doesn't matter. If they can get their email, facebook and porn - then fine... which is what you can do on ANY phone and tablet. So a typical home PC was a $500 bottom-end unit which techs would upgrade/maintain. People are NOT buying those for home use anymore! They buy phones and tablets for $1~400. Todays $1~150 Samsung Galaxy 4 (or iPhone4 ) is easily up there is a 2005 era desktop PC... even with higher resolution... and check this out... it fits in your pocket and works anywhere as long as its charged! I've seen 3D games for phones that look better than 2004 desktop games.

Back to my wife: 95%+ of her "computer" time is on her phone (Galaxy S3), shes uses our WiFi only tablet a little bit. And a desktop or notebook for the work that requires it... Yep, a phone more so than a desktop with a 22" monitor five feet away is used more! Even I use my phone for the internet about 30% of the time, even at home - but I'd rather use the iPad with its 9" screen when on the sofa. About all of my home-based clients have dried up, they are ALL using IPads, iPhones and Android devices. My business is now corp... and I build and service Windows 7 systems... I DON'T sell or service Windows 8 desktops or notebooks, not today and not ever.

With home users going with Andoid and iOS... MS is severely weakened. Sure they are a multi-billion dollar company. But BiNG = loses money. XBOX = loses money (and that was before the XBONE). Their MS-Office makes the most stable money and they took Office2010 and turned it into a turd with office 2013 to match up with pure-crap Win8. And on top of that, they screwed their customers without transfer rights to their $150~500 purchases?!

Imagine this: you have a $1000 notebook with a $400 version of MSO2014 installed. It gets stolen or destroyed a few weeks later. Too bad, you'll spend another $400 for a product you already PAID for. Hence: Rarely is it a good deal to EVER EVER buy an OEM Office! Buy the PC, then buy the Retail office (You only save like $50 getting the OEM version) and at least you have transfer rights! Also, how MS is making a profit is that MSO2013 is a single licence office suite now. Example: Office 2010 home & student Lic. only card = $100. Disc version = $130 and allowed to install on 3 PCs. MSO2013 Home and Student = $140 1 PC only!? Nowadays, the Disc version of MSO2010 H&S is $270 (long discontinued). WTF!? This is how and why MS is making a profit with such reduced PC sales. Check out the reviews, MSOffice 2013 is hated, its GUI is horrible, blinding white and hard to read. The high install failure rates don't help. Not expecting Office 2015 to be any better.

8 - Office Wars
I recommend Kingsoft 2013 (its free - Windows / Android / iOS / Linux) which has recently been renamed in the west to "WPS Office 2013" - which is the name in Asian markets. Its been around for a long time, its very stable. I just DL the latest version (45mb) - eats 180mb of HD space. It will open and save in MSO 2003~2013 formats. It installs on Windows XP~Windows 8. It has SKINS for Office 2003/2013 styles(white or blue) - but sadly they removed the 2010 skin - which might have been a legal issue... as it looked quite good. WPS/King Office is VERY easy to use, more so than Open Office 4.x for those who are used to MSO, has includes lots of chart options and templates. The PRO version is $70 for 3 users... great deal compared to MSO2013!
Open Office 4.x is more powerful than WPS/King, but still a bit crumble-some to work with - but it includes a database and drawing tools. For most people, including business users - WPS and OpenOffice will work fine for their needs. The lack of PIM/Email client (MS Outlook) is what sinks ALL office suites. I DON'T understand what is so difficult about a PIM/EMAIL add-on, hell - sell for for $25 a pop, it would greatly help kick MS-Office in the balls! I get it, people use Outlook less and less - but in the business market, the PIM<>Email combo has its uses. Thunderbird is pretty good (Windows / MacOS / Linux). Another is EssentialPIM (Free and PRO version - free is 9mb). EPIM is anti PRISM. Its a PIM that is colorful and well thought out (better than Outlook IMHO) and includes an email client. Supports Windows / Android and iOS.

In the end, what hurts Microsoft the most is Android and iOS... and Microsoft's current plan of attack is to make Windows9 a single OS that runs on Desktop/Phone/Tablet... and its the same thing! That seems like a lot of bloat... but that could give MS the chance it needs.

But at the same time, I'm tired of MS treating us - their customers as their cash-cow criminals. The Activation keys DO NOT stop piracy. But they sure make it a bitch for legit users to repair their computers. Have you SEEN the Win7 sticker Keys lately?! The sticker is smaller and the TEXT is MUCH smaller and grey!! I have better than avg. vision and I can barely read the damn thing! Easy way to read, I use my Android phone's camera to take a picture then view it... all nice and big on a 5" screen. No reason to make it that hard to read MS! Installing Linux is no fuss. Installing Other brands of office, PIM, etc - no fuss. MS only makes money from Office and OS - that is it. If that collapses, microsoft has nothing left to make money on other than its Android -scam licences... but since MS sells Android phones now (really, they do) - Samsung and others are not paying royalties.... hmmmm.
 


(I know you were addressing someone else) I said, get rid of 32bit SKU... but 32bit support *IS* required.

There are pretty much as many programs for Linux as there is for Windows... just not some of the key ones. And the uber-geeks are being kicked out of Windows by Microsoft. If Windows becomes a basic-mobile OS for desktop use... then its more so reason to jump to Linux.

Games... again, Console. As long as you have a browser and an internet connection - there is very little need for Microsoft. For writing a business document... not much difference between a $0~70 suite and the $200 MS version, especially when MSO2013 blows chunks.
 

XP > Win7 was easy... XP was never as stable as Windows 7.

Windows 7 > Windows 9 would require:
1 - improved desktop UI - with OPTIONS.
2 - SKIN options.
3 - Metro apps that run on the desktop (done)
4 - A price that meets its value.

I'm more than prepared to use Windows 7 for another 4 years while migrating to Linux. Other than games and 4 productivity apps (Not MSOffice), Linux will do fine for me.

 

Thats a tall order... we shall see. Ever use Windows 8 preview? IT had a updated version of AERO for the desktop... it looked VERY nice. Its a slightly flatter version of Win7 Aero. Win8 desktop looks like dog turds.

Windows 9 will not be based off Win7. It'd be a continuation off of Win8 - which does have under-the-hood improvements. But SKINS can always be changed. With Linux, it comes with dozens of skin options from its installation alone. Windows 9 is what Windows 8 should have been... and more.

Will I give Windows 9 a chance...? Yes, I will.
If it looks like Windows 8 flat 80's look... then I won't buy or use it for myself.
Also, actual usage of the settings, etc are important - not just skins quality.
 
A paid OS needs to be good. MS tried the 'forcing it down our throats' with Vista and 8, and it did not work. So much wasted resources from the users and the programmers.
 
I think Microsoft is giving out free win8.1 on a limited basis with the Windows 8.1 with bing to the computer manufacturers. They should do more to integrate IE, Bing with their windows OS on windows 8 upgrade and windows 9 to the end users. Of course, they should make money on the enterprise users who use the professional/ultimate versions.
 
the main issue for M$ is the move to metro was an attempt to build a "wall garden" for the windows environment, just like the ap store is for Apple.

The sound rejection of Metro has left M$ in a pickle as windows 9 was supposed to be the version where the desktop environment died and where the "ap store" became the only way to get software on a windows machine. Clearly they have had to backpedal from this, as anyone who's seen the plans for windows 9 can see.

But i believe they still want that "walled garden" ~ apple makes so much money from it's ap store i can't believe M$ is going to pass on that. So if they give out windows9 for free, the only way that would work IMHO is if the walled garden goes up anyway for the windows platform.

Keep a sharp eye on this. Cause it might mean the end to all those small publishers, and freeware programs.
 
Giving it away on the free to older versions would set an unbearable precedence, as no one would ever pay for an update after that. What's the point if you get it for free a couple of years later?
 
Microsoft, I would love to buy the Windows 9 128-bit.

I think they honestly should make the product more affordable rather than free. I think that would make more people upgrade to the highest end option, and it'd allow for more technology growth and more product development. I don't think free is ever the best option. I think affordable is far better. You still get money in your pockets, and we actually own our OS.

What I'm really hoping for is a OS that treats my games and other applications like Windows 7 would, but the desktop (other than metro) has the smooth Windows 8 feel. Metro on the start bar is cool... Keep that. Also, virtual desktops and Cortana will be interesting.
 
It will be a success once they more metro and other mobile shit. We do not want it. They need to bring Aero back to Windows, right now looks damn flat ugly and boring. Microsoft needs to restart Windows 7 project, slap DX12 to it, release new WMP not some xbox music/video bullshit, slap IE11 or whatever to it. Bring all kernel improvements from Windows 8, add virtual desktop support to it etc and they would have a winner.

Obviously you didn't even use Windows 8.
 
If the win7 users are getting a free upgrade but win8 are not getting it. I am NOT going to be HAPPY 😡

i have windows 8 and to me i STILL hate it it bame with my laptop and it stil lhave bugs in it and i still call it crapware. it dose not remember wifi passwords what so ever to the point i have to save them in not pad. thats BS and i always had a huge problem with logging in. after 3 days it locked me out of my pc (the image thingy that blocked the password stoped going up. i had to get a code and add it into part od windows to force it so i never had that backsplash for windows 8. and even then it (still to date) it dose not read my pass word at times and i have i reset my PC (losing everything im working on) and then it accpets my password. even if it is free i dont think i will move to windows 9 unless it gives me back everything i miss in windows 7.
 


The massive amounts of services that love to hog resources if left running to long, several protocols (not required for connections to occur) being ran on networking while barely showing off features in their latest rendition that linux has had since before update 10 (currently on 14.04) while linux uses much less resources overall to run. For a company that has a premium on their products I would expect the facts to be reversed.

You look at just the base file size for the disc but you forget that there's a time period that the OS actually runs. Bloated with software and services that are unneeded and generally go unused. Windows may own the majority but it doesn't mean they are the most efficient.
 
it used to be you needed to upgrade to use the latest software. but besides the metro interface which is great for touch screens, there i dont see any benefit for a upgrade. when widows 8 came out i saw some benchmark comparisons for games and it was maybe 2-3% better. maybe there is some really high end modeling software that benefits greatly from 8 or 9. I just dont see the point to shell out even 20 bucks for a upgrade. if they offered it for free i would do it just to feel like im keeping up with the tech. but i would still wait till the first service pack MS doesnt have a good track record of first version os releases.
 

You are correct. Windows 9 was supposed to be vastly different than what we see right now... If Windows 8 had 45%+ of the market, we'd be heading quickly to the AP-OS model. As I stated, only thing that makes profit for MS is Windows and Office... With Consumer desktop OS usage dying - the last major buyers for Win/MSO will be corporate. But with an APP model, they'd be able to make money off every single developer.

With that in mind, they can afford to make Windows 9 "Free" for consumer users.

I think that *WILL* drive tech developers towards Linux... which is far more truth-worthy than Microsoft.
 
(while not at me) How would you know? I had Win8 on a notebook for months... I was excited to try it out... it took 15mins of usage to realize what a disaster Windows 8 was going to be. For MS-technogeek-fanbois, not a problem. For people who never used a Windows OS, maybe not a problem. In the business world, its MAJOR problems. People pooped a brick over MSO2007 with its ribbon interface. Hell, Apple is not DUMB enough to do a major GUI change in their OS in over 14 years! Todays OS-X looks different from 2001... but very much the same. Meanwhile MS has changed their SKINs with noticeable differences 4/5 times. I've dealt with business people who have trouble understanding the concept of CTRL-C, V, X, etc. The hidden menus, Start-button and charms, etc were badly designed... and yes, Windows 8 is an 80's throw back to ugly simple colors. I grew up with 8/16 color desktops on dinky 640x400 monitors.


Get rid of that junky notebook. Go to www.lenovo.com, select THINKPAD.
Pretty much ALL models have the option for Windows7 Pro preinstalled. doesn't come with bloatware either. Generally solid computers depending on model. The L-Series is a decent low-mid range model ($600+). The T-Series is their upper end models ($800+) Their E-(Edge) Series are bottom end ($450+). You'll get a good keyboard, a nice NON-Glossy LCD Display (Glossy monitors suck) and Windows 7.


 
MS does not need to give Windows away for free to be successful on the desktop (though for mobile it was a good call). However, the days of $100-140 windows licenses (to say nothing of the $2-300 retail copies) are long gone now.

Personally I would like to see the return of a real two tiered OS model. Make a base version of Windows for free. This free version requires a MS account to push people into the store, and would share the same basic interface (though hopefully more mature) as win8 has. No domains, no local accounts, internet will be required (at least for initial setup), but it would work well for 99% of the people out there who want a Windows device.
Now, if you want local accounts, or the ability to add to a domain, a more win7-like desktop experience, and other bells and whistles, then you pay for it. But paying for it should not cost $140 a pop. I would like to see something more like $20-50 per machine (no more retail copies). Just a flat fee with simple license tied to a motherboard regardless of the number of users. I mean I paid $40 for my copies of Windows 8 and have no regrets... but if I had to pay $140 for each of my 4 machines... good lord I would be just as bitter as everyone else because it simply is not worth that price. Especially if MS is going to take a cut of any in-store purchases and try to push me towards using subscription services like OneDrive, Office, Music, etc.
Basically let's see the OS for free, and then pay for a 'pro pack'.

I agree 100% with this.
 


Replying to the part that you quoted me:

I know he didn't use Windows 8 because he was saying that some stuff that I use and that came with win 8 aren't there. I do agree with a lot of the stuff you said in your paragraph though. Why did they need to change all this, and why didn't they offer the choice between a classic start menu (now pseudo-available though right-click) and their metro interface is beyond me though.

Replying about the second quote in your post:

I totally agree with Lenovo thinkpads. I've used some, and they're the best laptops I've used. Except when I was in college where we could loan some brand new Lenovo laptops (R series) but they were from a bad batch and half of them had to have the motherboard replaced (but was on warranty). I usually see some very good quality with Levnovo.

Also, I see a lot of people complaining about having a lot of bugs, but it is not the experience I'm having with it. They should try to update their drivers from that part's manufacturer to see if it fixes the problem. Just like that one saying that the WIFI doesn't keep the password, it could just be the driver. I personally have a 9 month old laptop and a desktop that I built 6 years ago, both on Windows 8.1 Update, and I'm experiencing none of the bugs seen in the comments here. They are both on SSD so the laptop starts and is ready to use in 2 seconds flat on 8, while the desktop takes about 20 seconds. It's also much more stable than win 7 was on my desktop. I was offered win 8 for free which is why I upgraded the desktop. The laptop came with it.
 
When you grow grow grow and become too big as a company, responsibility grows as well unless you are ignorant bastard, like Microsoft was at many points of its lifespan.
Their only correct way of promoting Windows as globaly accepted OS, is to give version 9 for free to literally every private person, companies should pay some minimal upgrade cost? It has to take financial hit itself now just so it stays in peoples hearts for a few years to come and then put some fair price for version 10 in the future.
 


Most of what you listed is why Steve Sinofsky lost his job. That maverick.
 
I visited a friend's home a few days ago as their 18year old son is about to leave town for college. He is a gamer and an A-B student. He showed me his NEW Lenovo notebook (Gaming model of some sort), which he loves... keyboard, display, etc...

He never touched Windows 8 before... and was confused as to how to actually use it. Since I haven't touched a Windows 8 computer in about a year... I couldn't offer any advice on how to use it... Other than try a free Windows7 style Start menu add-on or buy Windows7 and install that. Before I got there, he was using Explorer to locate his program.EXEs to ADD the shortcuts to the Desktop....

Again, this is a kid who grew up using computers... better than typical kids of today, going to college to be an engineer! And couldn't figure out how to use Windows 8 by simply using it! Linux Mint is far easier than Windows 8. So how are OLD users and business users (who are among the most novice) supposed to master the mess that is knows as windows-barf-8?!
 
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