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Yeah, I would like to get SM3, but I want to stay with ATI for Driver reasons, so to get SM3 and Decent performance, I am limited to X1800 and above, which is cost prohibitive. I don't think the X1600 Series is as good as the x850XT overall, so I am thinking that route.
 
Pauldh where are u getting your price info for the 6800gs agp at half the 7800gs agp ?
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Um, I don't recall making a comment like that. Must have been someone else.

All I said was at his prices which only 30 Euros separates them, I'd go for the 7800GS. But at our USA prices, (roughly $100 seperates the two cards: $200-6800GS & $300-7800GS), so I'd go for the 6800GS or a $200 X800GTO.
 
I am generally perfectly happy with 1280 x 1024 or 1024 x 768 on my 19" LCD

Which is the native resolution? LCD's only have one good setting. That's why I hate the odd res of my monitor. You'd be better off running native without aa than running an interpolated res with it. You're gonna have a lot better picture.
 
im getting really tired of two things on this forum, one being the AMB dry humping everyone is doing. I myself have owned INTEL, AMD , MOTOROLA and IBM processors and i find EACH have there advantages at certian stages. Intel up to the second revision fo the P4 amd for the last year has been the king, IBM still has the best server option when mixed with Apple because of its OS and freescale the best laptop with apple because of is OS. Yes i know Intel has a new laptop with apple but i ahve yet to use it so i dont have a valid oppinion.

the AMD fan boy stuff really needs to stop, cause i can see all of you jumping ship when intel regains there lead.

also im tired of ppl hating on other peoples ideals.

I myself used a 2400xpm with a 9600se on a 4x agp slot and ran HL2 with everything on regular setting and got 50 fps

in CS:S i got over 70 fps

after that i upgraded to a A64 3500 with a x1800xt

did i see any difference to warent the 1200$ upgraded NO!


my 2400XPM served its time like im VERY sure your p4 2.0 will serve its time. DOnt listen to these amd, nvidia fan boys do what your pocket book can afford and what you find to be the best fit.

F- these nubz that try to influence your decisions with there biased oppinions. there just saying what everyone in this forum wants to hear, not exactlly what is best suited for the person.
 
You must have pretty thin patience to get so tired after just one post. :lol:

I don't think anyone here was showing any kind of fanboyism at all, and for the most part we were discussing what the best options for the OP are. That is what he asked for.

If you are going to climb up on a soapbox and preach, then do it in a thread that deserves it.

BTW, if you can't see a difference between a 9600SE card and an X1800XT, then you got something seriously wrong with your machine.
 
hergieburbur im sorry but my statement was a general one , not biased to this thread.

p.s i dont play doom 3 or anyother game besides UT 2005 ,cs 1.6 and cs:s

i dont have time to but UT 2007 is comming out :)
 
understood.


you should really go post something like that in one of the "My AMD is better than you Intel cause it starts with A and A comes before I" forums. I'm sure it will be amusing :twisted:
 
A sub-$200 6800 GS or X800 GTO are good for your system.

Even spending the $240 for a 16-pipe X800 XL is pushing it.

It's just not worth it spending that cash on upgrading AGP when PCI-express mobos and 7800 GTs are so cheap.
 
It's just not worth it spending that cash on upgrading AGP when PCI-express mobos and 7800 GTs are so cheap.
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For you, perhaps: the rest of us may have other priorities.

In my case, I don't want to spend two to three times as much to replace motherboard, CPU, RAM and other odds and ends when I can just replace the graphics card: particularly as this machine will go to my girlfriend when I build a new PCI-Express machine next year. Replacing most of the guts of a machine that works is just a waste of money when a graphics upgrade is all it will need to run pretty much any game that's released in that time decently at 1280x1024 or above.

I myself used a 2400xpm with a 9600se on a 4x agp slot and ran HL2 with everything on regular setting and got 50 fps
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Presumably not at 1600x1200 with 4xAA.

did i see any difference to warent the 1200$ upgraded NO!
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Then you should try running at a real resolution. If you're happy with 1024x768 then there's no point buying a fast graphics card.
 
F- these nubz that try to influence your decisions with there biased oppinions. there just saying what everyone in this forum wants to hear,

While I haven't posted here for long, I assure you I'm no newbie. I've been doing this longer than most of you guys have been alive, I'll betcha. I've started out on a DEC8, which had to be booted up manually. Do you even know what that entails? It didn't even accept paper tape until it was booted properly, then you could load the OS. And as for what everyone wants to hear, I've had cards from AMD and ATI. A 9600XT I'm still running in one computer kicks butt, but it hiccups really annoyingly on HL2. That's not my opinion, thems just facts. It does have a gorgeous picture, if you must have an opinion.

If you're happy with 1024x768 then there's no point buying a fast graphics card.

That's been my point all along, but instead I've had to argue with guys who look like they'd be happy in the "Commodore 64 Club". Not that there's anything wrong with that. But buys, this is TMG, not PC world. This is the only site that competes with Maximum PC. And if you want the cleanest, most beatiful picture, the 7800 will get it for you. I could list the reasons, but I already have. Don't get me wrong, the 6800 will do fine. Who really needs their woman to be a "9" or a "10"? A "6" is okay for most guys, right?
 
For you, perhaps: the rest of us may have other priorities.
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What, your priority isn't game performance?

Then why do you want a 7800 GS?

Seriously, get a 6800 GS for $100 less and you'll still see a gigantic increase over your 4600.

Find an AGP 6800 GS with unlockable pipes and high clocks, and you've got performance parity with the 7800 GS.
Hell, people sell unlocked 16-pipe 6800's on ebay for less than $200 all the time.

The 7800 GS is such a waste.
 
What, your priority isn't game performance?
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Uh, no.

My priority is the best AGP game performance today and for the next couple of years, _without compromising reliability or longevity_. I do real work on this machine -- the video editing/effects and 3D software is probably worth four times as much as the hardware cost -- and I'm not going to risk crashes and lockups by overclocking or unlocking pipelines that may well be defective. A pre-overclocked card with hand-picked chips and a warranty is fine, but I'm not going to buy some hacked card with no warranty off Ebay just to save a few bucks.

I'd agree, BTW, that the 'standard' 7800GS isn't a great deal, but the pre-overclocked cards don't cost much more and give a decent performance boost without voiding the warranty. To me that's worth the extra $50 or whatever the current cost difference may be.
 
Its pretty unrealistic at this stage of the game to expect anything AGP to give you "best AGP game performance today and for the next couple of years, _without compromising reliability or longevity_." AGP is pretty close to dead, and many analysts feel that the 7800GS will be the last high-end card to be released for it.
 
Uh, yes, it is.

Your priority isn't "game performance", it's "the best AGP game performance today and for the next couple of years, _without compromising reliability or longevity_."?

Sounds the same to me, only worse because you're fooling yourself into believing you're purchasing some king of long-term technology guarantee.

7800 technology is exactly the same SM 3.0 tech used in the 6800 series, brute forced with more transistors, but the same. Still has the limitation of no HDR and AA at the same time. The only real advance is transparent AA. At the end of the day, a 7800 GS is an overclocked 6800 GT.

If you want longevity, then go PCI-express. You can spend more on hardware that will be obsolete sooner - turfing your longevity - or you can invest in true reliability and longevity.

Your 3d and video editing software has nothing to do with it really. Not sure why you'd mention it. Alot of us do 3d and video work for a living, hell I've even designed and modelled for a commercial game or two myself. If that was your chief concern you should be looking at a quadro.

But whatever. You're married to overspending on a platform that's on the doorstep of obsolescence. Go to town, but remember this conversation in 10 months when your 'longevity' decision to get a 16-pipe card with basically identical technology to the two-year-old 6800 is quickly spiralling down the crapper, the performance of which will be killed by sub $200 cards you can't plug into your motherboard.
 
sorry for not getting back sooner had a couple of nightshifs
the agp port is 1.5 volts
as for upgrading to pci express ill be dooing that later in the year
but it will be a complete system ill be building
will be heading amds way unless intel pull something out of the hat before then
the machine i have is running great and a lot faster that other more modern machines that come into my houes
i put a lot of that down to the rambus

however going back to the graphics card question ill be going the 7800gs route becauseits the best card out there at the moment and i may come across a cheap box with a faster chip and 8x that i can put it into

even if i dont that 30euro id save isnt the be all and end all
frame rate also isnt the be all an end all but the card does have the latest advances in hd for graphic cards and as that is what the machine will end up as the extra 30 euro is worth it

i do appreciate all the comments and the time and thought put in to the different replies

i think back to when i built the machine and had to order in the processor as nobody in the country had one and the 4600 was the fasts card in the market ,it cost serious money to put together what i got

the next machine willl also be the best and fast that i can buy not because i am made of money (morgage and 3 kids) but i wll get longlivity out of it
 
If you want longevity, then go PCI-express. You can spend more on hardware that will be obsolete sooner - turfing your longevity - or you can invest in true reliability and longevity.

And do what, throw all our old hardware away? I agree that building fresh is best, but it's not always necessary. He's giving this one to his lady when he's ready to build his barn-burner. And until then, he'll be able to play the latest games with lots of eye-candy. Then he'll do what I'm going to do - build the latest and greatest. As I've done every couple of years for a long time.
 
Exactly. Why spend lots of money upgrading now to PCI-Express when I'd have to throw it away in eighteen months to upgrade again?

Particularly when the current system works with all kinds of fancy software which is rather choosy about the hardware it's run on. I've no guarantee it would be as happy on a new motherboard, particularly a cheap one.
 
Just one small detail: it's not going to run as fast or as clean as the one you want to build. You will not be able to run 1600 x 1200 with aa/af turned up. Well maybe with UT or something like that. But Doom3 or HL2, nah. And Battlefield 2? Forget about it. But it'll still be gorgeous, and unless you've got a friend with a top-of-the-line screamer with which to compare, you won't know the diff.
 
You will not be able to run 1600 x 1200 with aa/af turned up. Well maybe with UT or something like that. But Doom3 or HL2, nah.
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In that case it will be a downgrade, because my 9500 Pro ran Half-Life 2 at 1600x1200 with 4xAA. I had to turn AA off in some of the later levels, but it managed most of the game at a playable speed with AA on... which surprised me, I wasn't even sure it was going to run at 1600x1200 without AA.

Hopefully the courier will actually turn up today so I can find out how well it runs :).
 
Well cut my arms off and call me clothespin. I'm wrong, again. That's twice this decade.

On one of my machines, I've got a 2500+ and a 9600xt, and it hiccups at that res. You do any tweaking to get yours to smoke like that?
 
Exactly. Why spend lots of money upgrading now to PCI-Express when I'd have to throw it away in eighteen months to upgrade again?
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You guys are missing the point.

You're ALREADY spending lots of money upgarding to a 7800 GS.

That's why I advicate keeping your upgrade costs down with a sub-$200 6800 GS.

Sure, your hardware isn't useless, and I encourage you to upgrade it. Just don't blow the amount of cash you could spend on both a faster PCI-express card (7800 GT) and PCI-express motherboard on it at the same time by buying a 7800 GS.

You won't get the longevity you seek. You'll get almost as much longevity and save $100 with a 6800 GS, which is basically the EXACT SAME TECHNOLOGY with 4 fewer pipelines... in 18 months you'll be in the same boat with either card.
 
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