[SOLVED] can I swap GT 730 for GTX 1660 on my dell prebuilt?

[kenny69]

hey guys, I have a dell inspiron 3650. it has an i5-6400, 8 gb of DDR3 and a gt 730. will my motherboard support a 1660 super and will my case fit the new card?

 

[kenny69]

You could buy used DDR3 1600 for around half the price, but then you might have issues with warranties and RMAs if you can't get a refund or replacement from the seller. Right now is not the best time to buy DDR3 ram unless it's used. I would personally only buy used memory for systems that need DDR3. The main thing to remember, is that kits that come with two modules are going to be more compatible than adding a module to an already existing module. Those Crucial kits I linked are recommended upgrades by Dell from what I can tell, but that doesn't mean you have to use only that brand, as there are other brands that should work fine.

I mainly bought G.Skill DDR3 kits for the last 8 years, because they just seemed to always work fine for everything I have upgraded with them, but I also only upgraded other peoples systems with two module kits if they needed double the ram. I've personally never had an issue with my own systems when adding another module of a different brand to my computers, but that doesn't mean you won't have an issue. The worse that will happen if you buy a single module, is it won't work and you have to return it.

Running dual channel memory could increase your fps by 15-20% and make the system run smoother, but you would be tossing money at obsolete parts with no upgrade path. You also can't run faster than DDR3/DDR3L 1600 because of a motherboard limitation. Ask yourself if you actually need the extra ram right now, because it might make more sense in the long run to save up for a new system if you have a tight budget.

yeah i dont really need more ram that much and i will probably upgrade my motherboard and need DDR4 in then future anyways. but would the 1650 super work with my motherboard? https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-Gaming-...ld=1&keywords=gtx+1650&qid=1591701349&sr=8-16

 

[Third-Eye]

yeah i dont really need more ram that much and i will probably upgrade my motherboard and need DDR4 in then future anyways. but would the 1650 super work with my motherboard? https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-Gaming-...ld=1&keywords=gtx+1650&qid=1591701349&sr=8-16

Yes, you can run that GPU in your current motherboard, but you need a better power supply or you risk destroying the GPU or other components if you use a SATA or Molex adapter. A better power supply requires an adapter to go from 24pin motherboard power to the Dell motherboards 8pin connection. You also need a new case to fit a larger GPU or you can modify the Dell case, but modification would likely be just as expensive or more if you don't have all the tools required.

I get that you want a more powerful GPU, but you need to work with what you have or be willing to spend money to modify it. Getting a different motherboard won't help your situation if you want to keep using the same CPU. It would just be trading one set of problems for another, because then you need a new case, PSU and memory. If the only reason to upgrade the motherboard is for DDR4 ram, why even bother using the same CPU? You will be one step away from just building an entirely new system, so just spend the extra money required for a much better CPU and be done with it.

It just makes more sense to either save for new parts to build a new system or buy a prebuilt that has a more standardized layout for adding standardized parts. Building your own system will cost around $400-600 without a GPU and you can get a prebuilt system for around $400-500, but will have lower end parts and likely have many limitations on memory speed upgrades. You will be able to upgrade to a much better GPU than a GTX 1650 and have a much better system for future games. I would just stick with the GPU upgrade for now unless you would prefer to save up for a new system entirely for around $700-800 with GPU.

 

[ScrewySqrl]

got it. so with the default PSU that came with the inspiron and the default case, the best GPU to get that will fit without anything else changing or swapping is the 1550 regular?

1650, but yes.

 

[ScrewySqrl]

the 1650 will be big improvement over the 730.

as for RAM: while paired RAM will run faster than unpaired RAM, the difference is not that huge in practical terms. with paired RAM you'll get 5-6% better performance: this translates to 2 or 3 extra frames per second at most. at an extreme: if pair ram gave you 100 fps, unpaired would still be 94-95 fps

 

[gamenadez]

yeah i dont really need more ram that much and i will probably upgrade my motherboard and need DDR4 in then future anyways. but would the 1650 super work with my motherboard? https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-Gaming-...ld=1&keywords=gtx+1650&qid=1591701349&sr=8-16

Yes it will run.
1.) You will need a Sata Adapter OR Molex Adapter Pin for it to use it 6 Pin Power required. The Molex Adapter is safe its rated at 300W and uses 18AWG that mostly PSU has it
2.) IF you don't want to use Adapter, Use 1650 "Non-Super".

If You want to use Current Computer and just upgrade it.
1.) First Upgrade your PSU.. - Thermaltake Then you dont have to worry about Adapter. *You can also use this later on if you decide to build a computer.
2.) Upgrade Ram - 16GB Kit (2 x 8GB) DDR3
3.) Then after that you can plug this GPU - ASUS TUF 1650 Super

That the Cheapest Route I can take you.

 

[kenny69]

Yes, you can run that GPU in your current motherboard, but you need a better power supply or you risk destroying the GPU or other components if you use a SATA or Molex adapter. A better power supply requires an adapter to go from 24pin motherboard power to the Dell motherboards 8pin connection. You also need a new case to fit a larger GPU or you can modify the Dell case, but modification would likely be just as expensive or more if you don't have all the tools required.

I get that you want a more powerful GPU, but you need to work with what you have or be willing to spend money to modify it. Getting a different motherboard won't help your situation if you want to keep using the same CPU. It would just be trading one set of problems for another, because then you need a new case, PSU and memory. If the only reason to upgrade the motherboard is for DDR4 ram, why even bother using the same CPU? You will be one step away from just building an entirely new system, so just spend the extra money required for a much better CPU and be done with it.

It just makes more sense to either save for new parts to build a new system or buy a prebuilt that has a more standardized layout for adding standardized parts. Building your own system will cost around $400-600 without a GPU and you can get a prebuilt system for around $400-500, but will have lower end parts and likely have many limitations on memory speed upgrades. You will be able to upgrade to a much better GPU than a GTX 1650 and have a much better system for future games. I would just stick with the GPU upgrade for now unless you would prefer to save up for a new system entirely for around $700-800 with GPU.

yeah i agree because im not trying to go all out on upgrades, i dont have the money for that. I just want a cheap upgrade that will do a lot for just my fortnite gaming, so i think we both agree that without buying any other parts or modifying anything, the 1650 regular is the best way to go, correct?

 

[kenny69]

Yes it will run.
1.) You will need a Sata Adapter OR Molex Adapter Pin for it to use it 6 Pin Power required. The Molex Adapter is safe its rated at 300W and uses 18AWG that mostly PSU has it
2.) IF you don't want to use Adapter, Use 1650 "Non-Super".

If You want to use Current Computer and just upgrade it.
1.) First Upgrade your PSU.. - Thermaltake Then you dont have to worry about Adapter. *You can also use this later on if you decide to build a computer.
2.) Upgrade Ram - 16GB Kit (2 x 8GB) DDR3
3.) Then after that you can plug this GPU - ASUS TUF 1650 Super

That the Cheapest Route I can take you.

I see. I think I will just go with the 1650 pheonix so i dont need to buy anything else. I just wanted to see what was the best option to just swap out GPUs without doing or buying anything else

 

[kenny69]

Does your case look like this one? http://downloads.dell.com/manuals/all-products/esuprt_desktop/esuprt_inspiron_desktop/inspiron-3650-desktop_reference guide_en-us.pdf

If your case is the size in that PDF you can use the folowing GTX 1650. These cards have a 75watt power requirement provided by the PCIE x16 slot.
https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-geforce-gtx-1650-gv-n1650ixoc-4gd/p/N82E16814932151
https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-geforce-gtx-1650-gv-n1656oc-4gl/p/N82E16814932298
https://www.newegg.com/asus-geforce-gtx-1650-ph-gtx1650-o4g/p/N82E16814126322
https://www.newegg.com/zotac-geforce-gtx-1650-zt-t16500f-10l/p/N82E16814500468

they have the zotac on amazon for a decent price.
ZOTAC Gaming GeForce GTX 1650 OC 4GB GDDR5 128-Bit Gaming Graphics Card, Super Compact, ZT-T16500F-10L
but, why is the clock speed low compared to the full size two fan 1650s? is 1695 MHz memory clock speed a problem?

 

[kenny69]

they have the zotac on amazon for a decent price.
ZOTAC Gaming GeForce GTX 1650 OC 4GB GDDR5 128-Bit Gaming Graphics Card, Super Compact, ZT-T16500F-10L
but, why is the clock speed low compared to the full size two fan 1650s? is 1695 MHz memory clock speed a problem?

some of the other 1650s that arent super compact are 7000-12000 clock speeds.

 

[Third-Eye]

they have the zotac on amazon for a decent price.
ZOTAC Gaming GeForce GTX 1650 OC 4GB GDDR5 128-Bit Gaming Graphics Card, Super Compact, ZT-T16500F-10L
but, why is the clock speed low compared to the full size two fan 1650s? is 1695 MHz memory clock speed a problem?

some of the other 1650s that arent super compact are 7000-12000 clock speeds.

Having more fans just means it can cool the larger heat-sink more effectively. Your case probably won't fit the longer cards though without modification to the case.

1695MHz is the GPU boost clock frequency when running at full speed. 8000MHz is the effective memory clock frequency. Don't worry about these numbers, because higher or lower numbers are barely going to affect the games you are playing. It will be so little difference that you wouldn't even be able to tell whether you are losing 1-5 fps between cards without benchmarking. Just get the cheapest card with the best warranty, which right now looks like the ASUS I linked you were going to get.

 

[kenny69]

Having more fans just means it can cool the larger heat-sink more effectively. Your case probably won't fit the longer cards though without modification to the case.

1695MHz is the GPU boost clock frequency when running at full speed. 8000MHz is the effective memory clock frequency. Don't worry about these numbers, because higher or lower numbers are barely going to affect the games you are playing. It will be so little difference that you wouldn't even be able to tell whether you are losing 1-5 fps between cards without benchmarking. Just get the cheapest card with the best warranty, which right now looks like the ASUS I linked you were going to get.

cool thanks. youve helped me out a lot, i know more about computers than the regular guy but i didnt kn.ow swapping gpus cou.ldve been this hard