Can you justify the purchase of a ryzen 7 1800X?

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I've always criticized this processor due to its terrible value.

The big majority of the people can just get away with the R7 1700 and OC it to 3.5-3.6 GHz to match 1700X/1800X's clock speeds for a portion of the price.

In a nutshell the 1800X is poor value just like any top-of-the line CPU and it is more consumism or wanting to have the best than it is anything else.

They call them "enthusiasts" sometimes.

But I know that OC can affect overall system stability and people that use it for a workstation are very concerned about that.

So the question is

Is it very possible to have that kind of issues by OCing the 1700 to 3.5-3.6 GHz?

Aren't they the exact same chip but the 1800x is "factory-overclocked" so to speak?
Is the 1800X really better binned than the 1700?

If it is just a gimmick and you can perfecly OC a 1700 even in workstation use then the 1800X is just marketing right?

 

[Phaaze88]

OK LET'S PUT IT THIS WAY

I wanna find out which is the best choice for a rendering PC. The rendering process takes hours to finish so any blue screen or whatever the case may be is going to cost the whole process.

I'm deciding between to CPUs, a ryzen 7 1700 or 1700X, and a ryzen 1800X

What is a better choice? ryzen 1700 OC'd or 1800X. The 1700 is going to be overclocked to the same level as the 1800X which is 3.7 GHz for the base and 4.1 GHz for the turbo as far as I know.

Is the 1800X going to be more stable/reliable or power efficient at any degree? Thanks

The straight up answer is 1800x.
You want an overclock, and it has to be guaranteed stable - you can't be bothered with the 'trial and error' of normal overclocking - as fast as possible - you can't possibly be concerned with money either, no way - because when you overclock, you throw power efficiency out the window.
1800x is a high binned, guaranteed AMD factory overclocked chip. Seems to match with what you want. Forget you even considered the other two.

 

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The straight up answer is 1800x.
You want an overclock, and it has to be guaranteed stable - you can't be bothered with the 'trial and error' of normal overclocking - as fast as possible - you can't possibly be concerned with money either, no way - because when you overclock, you throw power efficiency out the window.
1800x is a high binned, guaranteed AMD factory overclocked chip. Seems to match with what you want. Forget you even considered the other two.

That is exacly the answer I was looking for. Thanks!

So basically power and thermals go through the roof compared to a stock 1800X right?

 

[Phaaze88]

The straight up answer is 1800x.
You want an overclock, and it has to be guaranteed stable - you can't be bothered with the 'trial and error' of normal overclocking - as fast as possible - you can't possibly be concerned with money either, no way - because when you overclock, you throw power efficiency out the window.
1800x is a high binned, guaranteed AMD factory overclocked chip. Seems to match with what you want. Forget you even considered the other two.

That is exacly the answer I was looking for. Thanks!

So basically power and thermals go through the roof compared to a stock 1800X right?

No, it won't be 7700k or skylake-x levels of hot.
Increased power consumption and temps is one of the basics of overclocking. With the 1800x, the OCs been done for you - just make sure you keep that baby cooled(no cooler included, doh).

 

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No, it won't be 7700k or skylake-x levels of hot.
Increased power consumption and temps is one of the basics of overclocking. With the 1800x, the OCs been done for you - just make sure you keep that baby cooled(no cooler included, doh).

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Yeah but I mean
the 1800X will draw less power than the 1700 OC'd to 3.7 GHz

 

[Phaaze88]

No, it won't be 7700k or skylake-x levels of hot.
Increased power consumption and temps is one of the basics of overclocking. With the 1800x, the OCs been done for you - just make sure you keep that baby cooled(no cooler included, doh).

Yeah but I mean
the 1800X will draw less power than the 1700 OC'd to 3.7 GHz[/quotemsg]

Aye. You can look at it as a higher binned version of the 1700.