Can you play 1st person shooters or watch action films on an IPS monitor with 5ms response time?

[mossi]

Basically I'm trying to understand if it's feasible to use an IPS monitor as a gaming monitor. Although gaming is not a huge part of my use I'm a visual person and I want things to look 'proper'.

I'm not an online player and I'm not of the competitive sort that runs around LAN parties, I'm more of a casual offline gamer with games like the Metro series, Fallout, 1st person shooters, RTS games like Dawn of War or Starcraft etc.

Also I like to watch TV Shows, anime and films(action, blockbuster etc) on my monitor occasionally and streaming sports like basketball.

For that kind of use and seeing as I'm quite alert to framerate changes and motion blur etc would you say that an IPS monitor is the right fit for me? I've seen that most of the budget range ones (under £150) have a response rate of 5ms. Would that be enough?

Up until now I've been using a Samsung Syncmaster 2032BW and I'd like a bigger screen but I wouldn't like to compromise with a monitor that produces motion blur or ghosting etc

Any advice would be appreciated. Thank you

 

[ccampy]

Yes perfectly possible and fine most monitors are around the 5ms time
The only people why are really bothed are the hardcore FPS type

 

[The Paladin]

I use 2 LG IPS LED 27" Monitors on my system with a GTX970 and I game all the time on it, and watch movies on the other screen at the same time and still get 80-95 FPS in PUBG.. does that answer your question ?

click on link -> to see the details of my monitors

 

[guanyu210379]

From the monitor side:
Response time alone does not effect you gaming experience.
It is the refresh rate, which effect your gaming experience.
e.g. 1ms monitor does not make one single difference, if it runs only on 60hz.

I am thus assuming you are talking about 60hz IPS monitor.
For movies, it is good. You do not really gain advantage by having 144hz monitor for movies.
For gaming, it is ok.

 

[mossi]

And you're getting no ghosting effect at all? I was trying this link https://www.testufo.com/#test=ghosting on my EIZO Flexscan 2202W and my Dell 2217 at work, both 5ms monitors and TN and there is ghosting effect. I tried it this morning on my Samsung Syncmaster with 2ms response rate and I'm pretty sure I didn't see any but there is very noticeable ghosting with those 2. I'll try it again later when I go home to be sure.

 

[mossi]

From the monitor side:
Response time alone does not effect you gaming experience.
It is the refresh rate, which effect your gaming experience.
e.g. 1ms monitor does not make one single difference, if it runs only on 60hz.

I am thus assuming you are talking about 60hz IPS monitor.
For movies, it is good. You do not really gain advantage by having 144hz monitor for movies.
For gaming, it is ok.

I guess it all comes down to what you mean good/ok which might be subjective and might be good for you might not be for me..
So you're saying that the response time has nothing to do with ghosting?

 

[jaslion]

From the monitor side:
Response time alone does not effect you gaming experience.
It is the refresh rate, which effect your gaming experience.
e.g. 1ms monitor does not make one single difference, if it runs only on 60hz.

I am thus assuming you are talking about 60hz IPS monitor.
For movies, it is good. You do not really gain advantage by having 144hz monitor for movies.
For gaming, it is ok.

I guess it all comes down to what you mean good/ok which might be subjective and might be good for you might not be for me..
So you're saying that the response time has nothing to do with ghosting?

Ghosting happens when when there is a large delay in the refresh of the screen or if you have a crappy panel. I think it's the latter with your work monitors. Also older monitors have this more since they are a bit worn out.

 

[mossi]

I checked my home monitor and there is a still a ghosting effect with this test but it's not as prominent as the monitors at work. It's much subtler. I don't know if I've seen ghosting in games with this monitor I'd need to try some first person shooters. It's the sort of thing you don't really notice until the point you start researching the latest hardware and what you want to buy.

What concerns me a bit is the comment that the monitors at work are crappy and when I looked them up they were in the price range of monitor (~£150) that I'd want to buy which concerns me a bit. I'm pretty sure I'd notice ghosting with the work monitors. Obviously the EIZO ones are quite old (the colors on the EIZOs are far superior than the Dell ones, for a good reason I would think) and I couldn't find a price for them what they'd retail at the time but then again the prices would be different 6-7 years ago.I can possibly also test some Lenovos we have but I think they'd be the same quality as the Dell ones.

I was wondering if there was any way to test monitors on display in shops to see what they can do but usually they're all connected to the same source.

Do any of you guys think that I'm overthinking this? 😀

 

[jaslion]

I checked my home monitor and there is a still a ghosting effect with this test but it's not as prominent as the monitors at work. It's much subtler. I don't know if I've seen ghosting in games with this monitor I'd need to try some first person shooters. It's the sort of thing you don't really notice until the point you start researching the latest hardware and what you want to buy.

What concerns me a bit is the comment that the monitors at work are crappy and when I looked them up they were in the price range of monitor (~£150) that I'd want to buy which concerns me a bit. I'm pretty sure I'd notice ghosting with the work monitors. Obviously the EIZO ones are quite old (the colors on the EIZOs are far superior than the Dell ones, for a good reason I would think) and I couldn't find a price for them what they'd retail at the time but then again the prices would be different 6-7 years ago.I can possibly also test some Lenovos we have but I think they'd be the same quality as the Dell ones.

I was wondering if there was any way to test monitors on display in shops to see what they can do but usually they're all connected to the same source.

Do any of you guys think that I'm overthinking this? 😀

Those were mid range EIZO's so expect them to have costes about 300€. I currently have a EIZO VS2450 and it's an insanly good panel for the money. Almost 100% correctly calibrated out of the box and an abosulte treat to use as a drawing monitor/gaming/movie/whatever.

 

[mossi]

I checked my home monitor and there is a still a ghosting effect with this test but it's not as prominent as the monitors at work. It's much subtler. I don't know if I've seen ghosting in games with this monitor I'd need to try some first person shooters. It's the sort of thing you don't really notice until the point you start researching the latest hardware and what you want to buy.

What concerns me a bit is the comment that the monitors at work are crappy and when I looked them up they were in the price range of monitor (~£150) that I'd want to buy which concerns me a bit. I'm pretty sure I'd notice ghosting with the work monitors. Obviously the EIZO ones are quite old (the colors on the EIZOs are far superior than the Dell ones, for a good reason I would think) and I couldn't find a price for them what they'd retail at the time but then again the prices would be different 6-7 years ago.I can possibly also test some Lenovos we have but I think they'd be the same quality as the Dell ones.

I was wondering if there was any way to test monitors on display in shops to see what they can do but usually they're all connected to the same source.

Do any of you guys think that I'm overthinking this? 😀

Those were mid range EIZO's so expect them to have costes about 300€. I currently have a EIZO VS2450 and it's an insanly good panel for the money. Almost 100% correctly calibrated out of the box and an abosulte treat to use as a drawing monitor/gaming/movie/whatever.

EIZO are awesome but a bit steep for my budget. Good to know about the ones at work, thanks

 

[jaslion]

I checked my home monitor and there is a still a ghosting effect with this test but it's not as prominent as the monitors at work. It's much subtler. I don't know if I've seen ghosting in games with this monitor I'd need to try some first person shooters. It's the sort of thing you don't really notice until the point you start researching the latest hardware and what you want to buy.

What concerns me a bit is the comment that the monitors at work are crappy and when I looked them up they were in the price range of monitor (~£150) that I'd want to buy which concerns me a bit. I'm pretty sure I'd notice ghosting with the work monitors. Obviously the EIZO ones are quite old (the colors on the EIZOs are far superior than the Dell ones, for a good reason I would think) and I couldn't find a price for them what they'd retail at the time but then again the prices would be different 6-7 years ago.I can possibly also test some Lenovos we have but I think they'd be the same quality as the Dell ones.

I was wondering if there was any way to test monitors on display in shops to see what they can do but usually they're all connected to the same source.

Do any of you guys think that I'm overthinking this? 😀

Those were mid range EIZO's so expect them to have costes about 300€. I currently have a EIZO VS2450 and it's an insanly good panel for the money. Almost 100% correctly calibrated out of the box and an abosulte treat to use as a drawing monitor/gaming/movie/whatever.

EIZO are awesome but a bit steep for my budget. Good to know about the ones at work, thanks

EIZO deliver better panels for the money compared to all other major brands (most of the time) I first got a dell ultrasharp U2451 or something like that a 24 inch 1440p ips panel and whilst it was great it had a dead line of pixels. Since they were out of stock when I returned mine the same day I got the EIZO EV 2450 and it was for 1 80€ cheaper and such a big improvement over the dell. Was kind of sad when my backlight sprung and I had to return it 😛.

 

[guanyu210379]

From the monitor side:
Response time alone does not effect you gaming experience.
It is the refresh rate, which effect your gaming experience.
e.g. 1ms monitor does not make one single difference, if it runs only on 60hz.

I am thus assuming you are talking about 60hz IPS monitor.
For movies, it is good. You do not really gain advantage by having 144hz monitor for movies.
For gaming, it is ok.

I guess it all comes down to what you mean good/ok which might be subjective and might be good for you might not be for me..
So you're saying that the response time has nothing to do with ghosting?

Movies does not really gain advantage over high refresh rate. You will not notice any difference.

Games however gain major advantage on having higher refresh rate, since refresh rate is also acting as the fps limit of what the monitor can display. Higher refresh rate also prevent you from seeing screen tearing in games.
Gaming on 60 fps is already far better than gaming on usual 30 fps done by most console, higher fps still gives higher smoothness or fluidity a.k.a. more enjoyable.
This is why I always say that 60hz or 60 fps gaming is not bad but still ok.

Ghosting effect is something else. Let us put the term refresh rate away for now.
This does response to the term screen "real" monitor panel response time. The response time, you see written is not telling you the entire truth. How fast the monitor is really working can not be seen on the response time listed by the manufacturers, you can find monitor detailed tests on websites, if you want to see the "real " response time of the panel.
I was using Dell U2412M, before I switched to XB270HU (hover your mouse pointer over my avatar), U2412M is listed to have 8ms response time. I did not notice any ghosting effect at all.
Ghosting effect can be found only on lousy monitor panels, which have the response time far higher of what they wrote.

 

[mossi]

Based on what you're saying though, I can't trust any of the specs.. if that's the case how am I supposed to make a decision on what to get?

 

[guanyu210379]

Based on what you're saying though, I can't trust any of the specs.. if that's the case how am I supposed to make a decision on what to get?

I usually check the review first on websites like:
-These are the reviews for my XB270Hu only as example-
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/acer_xb270hu.htm
(sorry, this one is in German) http://www.prad.de/new/monitore/test/2015/test-acer-xb270hubprz.html

 

[mossi]

Ok fair enough. I do look at reviews myself but I have found that with many things reviews can be quite subjective. In a way you're trying to decipher what people might be thinking when they say, no visible ghosting, or not enough ghosting to bother you etc. I found the same thing to be happening when I was researching to buy new headphones and some people were saying the bass is awesome and others were saying there's not enough bass for the same pair of headphones. Is there a way to dig into the specs?

And a question to all, is a TN monitor of the £150-200 bracket going to be always that bad in terms of colors reproduction? I can imagine that for the under £100 bracket.

 

[jaslion]

This is my favorite site to look for monitor reviews since they go into extreme depth and have a standardized result category. Sadly it's in dutch but you should be able to understand most of it by just looking at the words since almost all the important words are english.

https://be.hardware.info/categorie/8/monitoren/producten

If you need a little bit of help using the site I can help you with it since it's just a couple of buttons and you are on your way.

 

[guanyu210379]

The websites I listed tested the monitor really thoroughly.
They also provide comparison, if you will see ghosting or not.
I trust Prad the most. I have been using this websites everytime I wanna buy a monitor for years.

Yes, TN will be always bad in term of image reproduction (color, contrast, viewing angle) compared to IPS .
Between TN panels, there are however big differences. Some is good, some is bad.
The best TN panel I noticed so far is the ASUS PG278QR.
VG248QE is not bad for a TN tho'.

 

[mossi]

Only problem with both screens is that their way over budget... maybe this is a learning in itself that I won't get what I want in this price range? I think to have all based covered I might go with a TN after all. I haven't had an IPS one before so I can't compare really. I can only compare to the Syncmaster 2032BW (2ms) I have now and I just want to ensure that I get something better than that one.

 

[guanyu210379]

up to let say €200-350.
You can only get between 2 options. Either IPS 60Hz or TN 144Hz.
60Hz IPS: very good image quality (color, contrast, viewing angle) but a bit slow, if you do serious gaming.
144Hz TN: image quality is not as good as IPS by quite far. Viewing angle of TN is the one really bothering me. this is the best option for pure gaming. Once you tried gaming on 144Hz, you will never wanna go back to 60Hz.

 

[Reise Martin]

Basically I'm trying to understand if it's feasible to use an IPS monitor as a gaming monitor. Although gaming is not a huge part of my use I'm a visual person and I want things to look 'proper'.

I'm not an online player and I'm not of the competitive sort that runs around LAN parties, I'm more of a casual offline gamer with games like the Metro series, Fallout, 1st person shooters, RTS games like Dawn of War or Starcraft etc.

Also I like to watch TV Shows, anime and films(action, blockbuster etc) on my monitor occasionally and streaming sports like basketball.

For that kind of use and seeing as I'm quite alert to framerate changes and motion blur etc would you say that an IPS monitor is the right fit for me? I've seen that most of the budget range ones (under £150) have a response rate of 5ms. Would that be enough?

Up until now I've been using a Samsung Syncmaster 2032BW and I'd like a bigger screen but I wouldn't like to compromise with a monitor that produces motion blur or ghosting etc

Any advice would be appreciated. Thank you

Depends if your a serious player and play everyday for hours. If your that type of player then you definatly will notice a huge diffrence.

 

[mossi]

Basically I'm trying to understand if it's feasible to use an IPS monitor as a gaming monitor. Although gaming is not a huge part of my use I'm a visual person and I want things to look 'proper'.

I'm not an online player and I'm not of the competitive sort that runs around LAN parties, I'm more of a casual offline gamer with games like the Metro series, Fallout, 1st person shooters, RTS games like Dawn of War or Starcraft etc.

Also I like to watch TV Shows, anime and films(action, blockbuster etc) on my monitor occasionally and streaming sports like basketball.

For that kind of use and seeing as I'm quite alert to framerate changes and motion blur etc would you say that an IPS monitor is the right fit for me? I've seen that most of the budget range ones (under £150) have a response rate of 5ms. Would that be enough?

Up until now I've been using a Samsung Syncmaster 2032BW and I'd like a bigger screen but I wouldn't like to compromise with a monitor that produces motion blur or ghosting etc

Any advice would be appreciated. Thank you

Depends if your a serious player and play everyday for hours. If your that type of player then you definatly will notice a huge diffrence.

Not a serious gamer of that sort 😀
I'm more of a casual gamer but also a visual biggot of sorts 😀
I just don't want to regret buying something that I will not like and will have to stick with it for a number of years.
I go through periods where I'll start a game and play until I finish it and the occasional DOTA 2 every now and then. I'm more of a single player campaign kinda player and I enjoy the experience of the game so ghosting/input lag etc would take away from it.
I think that in my price range I'd best stick to a TN panel and try to get a decent one in terms of color reproduction. I understand I won't get the same color quality I'd get from an IPS. I'll try to go into some shops and compare the difference between TN/IPS up close. It's all ok to check video reviews but I think that seeing it up close might be the best idea.