China Says U.S. Accusations are 'Groundless'

[DalaiLamar]

[citation][nom]trevorvdw[/nom]China also says lead paint promotes healthy bone growth in children.[/citation]


You smoke lead.

 

[DalaiLamar]

[citation][nom]eddieroolz[/nom]Every time a legitimate issue arises between US and China, China responds to accusations with "it's harmful to US-China relations". They skirt the real question every single time. It's starting to get irritating.China, you won't be considered a real world power until you are held accountable to your actions.[/citation]


The American media have been lying to you about China for decades, my friend. And you can include BBC, AFP and AP. Just because it governs it nation differently. Why don't they do the same to countries like Saudi Arablia, Jordan and Singapore?

 

[IFLATLINEI]

logitic :

There is an old saying I want to bring up here..."Don't bite the hand that feeds you!"We are so in dept to China Hilary needs to keep her ill informed trap shot!

Maybe China needs to start worrying about biting the hand that can wipe their pathetic little communist nation off the face of the earth thus eliminating any of the debt we owe them.

 

[DalaiLamar]

[citation][nom]pocketdrummer[/nom]So, you suggest we just let it go by? Fuck that. Disrupt there networks until they grow a brain![/citation]

Before China can do that, America has to stop subverting China.

 

[bkane4]

Typical China, never taking responsibility for its actions although still wanting all the perks of working with outside countries that benefit its corrupt economy. And Obama will go along with it as he cant start to be viewed as someone that does not play well with others. Google good luck, although your supposed to be smarter than any other company - protect yourselves and anticipate little or no cooperation and expect future attacks.

 

[bkane4]

Typical China, never taking responsibility for its actions although still wanting all the perks of working with outside countries that benefit its corrupt economy. And Obama will go along with it as he cant start to be viewed as someone that does not play well with others. Google good luck, although your supposed to be smarter than any other company - protect yourselves and anticipate little or no cooperation and expect future attacks.

 

[dargon_supreme]

Maybe Hilary should think twice... USA owes China more than 700 billion! If chinese governament decides to ask USA to pay the bill, bye bye America.

 

[methal]

"Secretary of State Hillary Clinton..."

That was all I needed to read before knowing China is probably right.

 

[rallende]

[citation][nom]happi[/nom]China is so rich to lend out so much money, maybe use the money to better its citizen life style?[/citation]
Actually, China buys American debt.

 

[Guest]

You guys are funny. Ya, China holds a lot of U.S debt. So, THEY are ones in real trouble - if things get messy, the U.S. could just decide to not pay.

Both countries need each other but China needs the U.S. more. China's economy is nearly entirely based on exports, especially to the U.S.. Furthermore, it is not like what China does is not easy to copy. Any poor East Asian country can manufacture cheap stuff like China as they have similar labor costs.

China's economy will stall out if they keep up the current trend of making cheap goods very poorly. They already pay their workers horribly - the country cannot develop an decent education system or social services or anything that constitutes a modern nation without heavily modifying the way they do business.

Lastly, unfortunately for China, its domestic companies have not proven to be competitive at all and fail miserably without being propped up by the government. In the end, most of the profits from operating in China are being captured by foreign companies and shareholders.

 

[nottheking]

Did anyone expect anything different out of China? Of course not. It's effectively an open secret that China actively seeks out and attempts to surpress the Internet, not just for their own people, but for everyone. They have a history of decades of humans-rights abuses; these are things that you'd have to be foolishly uneducated to think even BEGINS to compare with anything done by Western nations in the past half-century. I'm talking about secret police who kidnap peaceful protesters, where they vanish to secret prisons where they are physically tortured and (usually) never heard from again.

Obviously, China holds that it's in their best interests to make sure that this ugly side of their country, the evil acts that the "People's" Communist Party commit for the sake of keeping their own people from overthrowing them, is kept entirely out of sight and mind. They have shown that they will stop at perhaps nothing in their impossible attempt to keep it covered up. It was well noticed that this more recent hacking attempt was targeted against human rights activists the world over; China is attempting to attack those that stand for human rights.

As for China and the 'National Debt,' contrary to popular belief, the Chinese don't hold a majority of the US Government's debt. Hell, they don't even hold a single trillion dollars. Discounting Hong Kong, Chinese ownership of federal debt has actually SHRUNK, to, at the last report just a couple months ago, at a mere $789.6US billion, making it a mere 4.3% above Japan's share. These numbers are from The US Department of Treasury themselves.

So if the debt's over $10US trillion, and even the top two foreign countries account for less than $1.6US trillion combined, who holds the rest? Government institutions. $4.5US trillion is held as intra-governmental holdings, such as Social Security and the Federal Reserve. That's a whopping 36.6% of all the debt, dwarfing China's 6.4% share.

 

[tommysch]

NUKE them, no more dept.

 

[ThePatriot]

U.S. Accusations are groundless unless they provide some proof; which has not been provided.
And I agree with DalaiLamar.
The US government reduced the Bill of Rights to a list with suggestions and took away all privacy (privacy equals freedom)

Those who are without sin cast the first stone....

 

[scryer_360]

What does this idiot mean by saying that China doesn't restrict Internet Freedom? Of course it does! If you go to China and, from a Chinese IP, google "Tianamen Square" you will receive no results about the 1989 unrest there. If you Google "Free Tibet" you won't see any political organizations covering the Tibetan side of things. If you try and search "Democratic Reform for China" you won't get anything about opening the process, last time I did I saw sites asking for support for the Communist Party.

Chinese will often say in response to what I wrote above something about how the US does this or that, maybe even mention the CIA. You know what the difference between China and the US is? We can oust the people in our government we don't like. Through of vote, of all horrendous things. And just like a few people in this comment section have proved, we are even allowed to say negative things about our political leaders (just see Regulas said, idiot though he may be). And you see that there? I can even comment on his comments, and no secret police will start watching me or break down my door, or arrest me.

In China if you were to unfold a banner saying "Free Tibet" or "Remember Tianamen" you'd get arrested, many activists have been arrested and during the Olympics a journalist was for being near a protest.

In America if you unveil a banner saying "White people leave Indian lands" or "Remember Bull Run" all it might start is a debate. Or coffee drinking contest.

 

[lashton]

the second china sells all of their american bonds the US would be fucked economically thats why the US is scared to stand up to china, that and the fact that chinba according to the UN is more of a superpower now than the US

 

[omnimodis78]

[citation][nom]Gulli[/nom]You got any sources to back that up? Why do you believe Russians and Americans are hacking, but not the Chinese? You say it might be some bored student (who just happened to go after dissidents and human rights activists), but are you even aware of what the Chinese government would do to an individual hacker who antagonizes trade relations with the United States without the Chinese government's approval (he'd either be executed or put in a gulag until he drops)?[/citation]
Dude I was making a light hearted joke about the student thing. That said, read the Patriot Act and you'll have the answer to your own question on the other part of your comment. Furthermore, I lived behind Iron Curtain, so yes I have an intimate understanding of communism.

 

[JonnyDough]

[citation][nom]happi[/nom]It's politic, nobody knows the real truth, they all twist and turn using words. If China really did it, you think they would admit that they did? On other hand US gov want a pinch at China ways of doing things.[/citation]

Why do we "want a pinch at China ways of doing things?

Well for one we're buying all their products. War would be a great way to eliminate the competition.

Secondly their smog floats over the sea to California, they are highly unregulated and won't play by our rules. We just can't get them to live by our industrial standards that we've had over 100 yrs to perfect.

Thirdly, we owe them a ton of money...we're American, they must be real idiots to lend us money. I wonder, do you think China will let us file for a Chapter 10?

Fourthly, they don't respect I.P. They copy our car designs (poorly), they steal our software, and then they censor our International games coverage.

Who knows if any of its really true. We're headed to war with China though it would seem. Now might be a great time to start digging that subbasement you always wanted.