Chinese Media: Google is 'Totally Politicized'

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btw - why no assenine reply about China owning us or owning most of our debt? these people don't realize that the usa net worth is 54 trillion dollars. LOL china does not have that kind of money. US national debt is 11.4 trillion. even if china owned all of that debt, they still wouldn't own the mother land.
 
[citation][nom]orionantares[/nom]You're forgetting the whole reason that Google decided to even start this process. China violated Google's rights even by their laws when they hacked into their systems to steal private information on Google's users. This is Google's retaliation method, change the laws to say "sorry" or they're done dealing with the country all together.[/citation]
While all points to that conclusion, the hacking haven't been proved to be from the government.
 
[citation][nom]babybeluga[/nom]You people are so ridiculous. Don't presume to know what the Chinese people think. Some of them don't like their government. Some of them do. It's their business. I know people who say the same things about religion (blind faith and all that). When you're raised on something and that's all you know, you don't often think outside the box. Stop with all the idiotic presumptions about what's best for the Chinese/the entire world because you don't know.[/citation]

So you are suggesting that just because someone grew up being oppressed and not knowing freedom means that its ok for the government to kill people because thats all they ever known anyway.
The Chineese government censoring the word democracy and hiding pictures of people standing up for freedom is wrong no matter how you were raised.
 
What Google did can be easily labeled as "civil disobedience". That same concept is what was successfully used in the past to bring about the Civil Rights Act in the US. Before that, it was used during the colonial era to protest taxation without representation (Boston tea party, anyone?). Sometimes such disobedience leads to reform. Sometimes it leads to war. What happens ultimately depends upon how much the people in power have to lose, and how strong they percieve their position to be.

The CCP is in power. Through that power, high-ranking party members - and I speculate here (knowledgeable replies invited!) - likely receive certain benefits: good pay, perks, nice car, nice house, etc. So they perceive that they have a lot to lose - possibly even their very lives - if they lose power. Also, they perceive that they can control the information that their subjects accept as truth or fact. Given the news clip, that isn't so hard to believe. Whether or not Chinese citizens smirk when they read such news is a different issue. If the gov't believes that the citizens believe it - or even that they doubt the real truth when it is presented to them - then the gov't probably thinks that they are in a very strong position.

Those types of situations rarely end well, and it is usually the citizens who bear the brunt of the pain when change comes about. I don't relish their predicament.

Anyone read, The Bear and the Dragon by Tom Clancy? In the end, the gov't collapsed with almost no violence. But before that, citizens were sent off to war, where they were slaughtered. Many countries have examples of such hubris and horror, because all countries are led by people, and people are susceptible to hubris. I wish the people of China luck in their struggle to manage their growth, their laws, and their rights during their struggle to become a modern society.
 
[citation][nom]n3ard3ath[/nom]Say that to the millions working in insalubrious factories in inhuman conditions for ridiculous salaries. That's what China is about. But it's important to know that the government is only there to keep things as they are, it's not really what is fueling those type of socio-commercial activities. International businesses and people who are buying their brands are the ones fueling it. Thing is, even by boycotting those products, does it really help the people from China? Not really. It's back to the government, who is the prime bastion to destroy if the tyranny is to be stopped.[/citation]

Wow...Look at the working conditions anywhere in the United States during the industrial revolution. NOT MUCH DIFFERENT! You people keep blabbing about history and whatever, but you don't see that the United States has been a lot like China in it's past. All governments have done or do the same thing China is doing too some extent, China just does it to the max in the present. They are still a developing nation!
 
Who cares? Since when is this anyone else's business besides china. I'd imagine it would be impossible to keep 1.8 billion people in check through conventional means. I can't imagine a democracy in china would last very long. Let their government do what they're doing best. Here comes the -20.
 
Frankly, I think it is great that google had the courage to say we just can't do this anymore it's not right. To bad Yahoo and Microsoft couldn't stand up too. Perhaps Google decided their values were more important than the dollars. Maybe a little late, but at least they came to the right conclusion.
 
Does anyone else get the feeling we might all be part of some giant conspiracy, and that every word we say is documented and analysed so the government can track social trends?

Seriously, stick to hardware. Tom's is not really the place for a discussion like this.

In related news: China censored Fermi die-shots that "...displayed inappropriate content and seemed to evoke rampant fanboyism..."
 
[citation][nom]Cryogenic[/nom]It's propaganda and spin off, made to make Google look bad, and that's exactly what communists do. Google is not interested in politics its interested in human rights. There's a world of difference there. I approve of Google leaving a country that forces you to break human rights. It's the right thing to do.[/citation]
ehh, wrong. Google is interested in one thing, alright. Making Money. They could give a squirt about human rights, doing the right/wrong thing etc. They thought they could make money in China and found out that it was hurting the companies reputation so they're bailing and trying to put the $%## back in the horse on the way out the door.

Very arrogant of posters here to think they know better than the Chinese what is good for the Chinese.
 
oooooo.. china lost google.. no... wait.. google lost china?
who cares:) a smile apears on my heart just thinking of the possabilities.
 
[citation][nom]Abrahm[/nom]Yep, I'm sure the Chinese people really do value their government hiding the truth from them.[/citation]


Yes because this would never happne in america!
 
[citation][nom]babybeluga[/nom]Wow...Look at the working conditions anywhere in the United States during the industrial revolution. NOT MUCH DIFFERENT! You people keep blabbing about history and whatever, but you don't see that the United States has been a lot like China in it's past. All governments have done or do the same thing China is doing too some extent, China just does it to the max in the present. They are still a developing nation![/citation]

Still a developing nation? Is that really your excuse for poor human conditions and tyranny? Let's also not forget that colonial countries like those in South America can fall in the developing country category to excuse poor human conditions, but China isn't one. China is as old as most European rich countries. China have the strongest industrial economy in the world right now, 'stealing' from the American market everyday, causing a lot of people to loose their fairly paid jobs to Chinese 'slaves'. People's definition of a developed country is a country which generate mostly bureaucratic work labor. So in YOUR opinion, the day Chinese people will DESERVE to get fairly paid and live in humanly acceptable conditions will be the day when this country will also generate a majority of bureaucratic work labor. Then please tell me, where will your brand new pair of shoes(costing 2$ to produce and sold 100$ to you) be produced now? Will you accept to do it for 1$/day? Or maybe one day machines will do everything for us, and we'll all be robotic engineers, but that day is still far from here.

So if I abide by your philosophy, it is OK to enslave some people in the world until that day comes.

To conclude, even if it's true that we are all controlled to some point, even in the US, and have also been trough an industrial age, never have an UK colonial country been an Official dictatorship, nor have we been such blatant slaves to the industries.
 
[citation][nom]NapoleonDK[/nom]Does anyone else get the feeling we might all be part of some giant conspiracy, and that every word we say is documented and analysed so the government can track social trends?Seriously, stick to hardware. Tom's is not really the place for a discussion like this.In related news: China censored Fermi die-shots that "...displayed inappropriate content and seemed to evoke rampant fanboyism..."[/citation]

True: We're spied on
False: We should all be silent cause of it.

Agreed, it's not really the place to discuss those kind of things, but where is the 'right' place to do so?
 
Why don't you American poeple try to get the bottom of the truth about the assasination behind Kennedy? Why not try to ask how many countries USA invaded since the end of wold war 2. I'm sure your government would open up and tell you all this too!

Everyone country, in the name of national security, has secrets.
 
[citation][nom]n3ard3ath[/nom]Still a developing nation? Is that really your excuse for poor human conditions and tyranny? Let's also not forget that colonial countries like those in South America can fall in the developing country category to excuse poor human conditions, but China isn't one. China is as old as most European rich countries. China have the strongest industrial economy in the world right now, 'stealing' from the American market everyday, causing a lot of people to loose their fairly paid jobs to Chinese 'slaves'. People's definition of a developed country is a country which generate mostly bureaucratic work labor. So in YOUR opinion, the day Chinese people will DESERVE to get fairly paid and live in humanly acceptable conditions will be the day when this country will also generate a majority of bureaucratic work labor. Then please tell me, where will your brand new pair of shoes(costing 2$ to produce and sold 100$ to you) be produced now? Will you accept to do it for 1$/day? Or maybe one day machines will do everything for us, and we'll all be robotic engineers, but that day is still far from here.So if I abide by your philosophy, it is OK to enslave some people in the world until that day comes.To conclude, even if it's true that we are all controlled to some point, even in the US, and have also been trough an industrial age, never have an UK colonial country been an Official dictatorship, nor have we been such blatant slaves to the industries.[/citation]
It's obvious that you have not learnt any economy or social science whatsoever. China ranks about 89-101 in GDP per capita in the world ranking. Do you even truely understand what this means? It means the average income of Chinese annual income is less than $6000, below countries like Algeria. If this doesn't qualify as developing country, what would?

The illusion that you think China is a developed country come from its size. It has 1/5 of world total population, and that adds up. But so what? If you are a single, making 200,000 dollars per year is great. But if you have 10 kids, making 200,000 dollars may not even get you out of poverty.

And one more thing, American consumes 1/4 - 1/2 of world's total resources with a total population of 3 hundred million. Where did you get all these resources and why did you need them?? You bought them with borrowed money (backed by a strong army), and you wasted them. I've traveled half of the world, American really do like to waste under the name of "I have the right".

So American have the right to live far from work, have the right to drive big cars, have the right to let half the workspace lit after work. Guess what? yeah, while you are excercising the right, if everyone in the world truely enjoy the same right and luxury you did, you would need 5 Earth's total natural resources to support such a life. SO while you are enjoying those big cars and TVs, you are indeed putting poeple less forunate to slavery so what they produce can go to you.
 
Censoring wasn't the problem. The hacking of googles email system with no law to punish those responsible. Everything started going down hill for google.cn after the hack.

In a nut shell google has to do ever thing in its power to ensure its email users accounts are secure. If someone break that security google must then trust the law to hold those responsible accountable. Those responsible control the law. Google can not safe guard their clients email. Faith in googles email system is lost and this costs them clients.

The end result is google.cn becomes a cancer which they must cut off before it grows to other parts of the business. China needs to look within for those going around legal routes to obtain data.
 
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