Clint Eastwood

[riser]

Give him another chance he deserves this as the bitch Mitch M said even before Obama took the presidency this would only be for 4 years that he would be goal MM. He is a TURD!

I really don't understand why anyone would give him a second "chance?" I was against him at the get-go and he really hasn't done anything that made me think "well, he's doing good and I was wrong." I didn't care for Clinton.. Clinton is considered an average president. Did you know that Clinton and George W. Bush both rate in the same ranking when measured as presidents?

Obama has failed miserably. We screwed up, this younger generation has hopefully learned that experience and knowledge does matter, not smooth talking and empty promises. Maybe this latest voting generation will realize that it does take work to accomplish things.

 

[musical marv]

Just tired of all the lies, the failed promises, the misleading efforts etc.
Like Wasserman-Shultz, plain lies, cover ups etc
He said he was different, the come together man, hes been quoted as saying government can grow the economy, yet he denies this, and fudges the level of his belief, while the MSM doesn't give perspectives and lets it continue.
Clint pointing out Obamas claims, then his failures, and how we all know the can has been kicked down the road, now also has the supposed fruition of those promises.
Meanwhile, we have business holding tight to their monies, hiring no one, and no clear attempts of a positive direction from Washington to jump start the economy, where fiscal budgets haven't been set in years, yet is the law, and anything waived in front of the repubs regarding this would get action, and nothing has come, budgets, helps nor direction, just want more time, even tho the dems had 2 years in total control, yet all the above didn't happen then, instead, only plans to create the largest disruption and singly new most expensive spending plan, while revenues shot down wards, Obama shutting out the repubs, then blaming them for this stalemate, yes, they were thru with this great organizer, this come together man.

Who wants to go back to Bush's tactics with no advancement at all and the economy just stagnates.Republicans have no new vision at all.

 

[Reynod]

What would a Republican President do to fix the economy then guys?

Give us a few dot points so we can debate them ...

OMG ... ?

 

[wanamingo]

Arent consumers the real job creators?

Blob: "Your shares are worth a hundred and seven dollars a piece!"
Leela: "They are? Oh my god! I'm a millionaire! Suddenly I have an opinion about the capital gains tax!"

Why the EPA clean water has been very beneficial for my health.

I cant find any info on the 18,000 pages of new regulations and why they are bad.

Good luck with China, they have all of their fancy new warships they cant stop playing with.

 

[dogman_1234]

China? Fancy warships?

Seriously, we should give the bird to China...then have them recall our debt...

 

[riser]

They've been recalling their debt slowly. It has been reduced over the last few years.

Russia is stocking up on gold.

 

[dogman_1234]

...and if the gold market fails? What will the ruskies do?

 

[mjmjpfaff]

...and if the gold market fails? What will the ruskies do?

It will not. The value of our dollar is still plummeting and inflation is still rising.

 

[dogman_1234]

Understood. Let us say if it does...a theoretical situation.

 

[mjmjpfaff]

Understood. Let us say if it does...a theoretical situation.

Then both China and Russia will loose a lot of money.

 

[musical marv]

What would a Republican President do to fix the economy then guys?

Give us a few dot points so we can debate them ...

OMG ... ?

Consumers should start spending more so the money starts to circulate and not stay stagnant.Start to tax China when they are importing more goods of theirs into our country. A levee tax.More increase on taxes on the rich and oil companies and large corporations.Break up large banks and make them into smaller ones.Lower the deficit naturally and stop big government spending.

 

[mjmjpfaff]

Consumers should start spending more so the money starts to circulate and not stay stagnant.

How are consumers going to magically spend money that they do not have???
I'd like to draw your attention to concrete details showing Americans are making less money to prove my point-
http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/ed14fc70-fc51-11e1-aef9-00144feabdc0.html#axzz26JR8wPpm\
http://washington.cbslocal.com/2012/09/12/survey-one-third-of-americans-in-lower-classes-since-obama-took-office/

Are they just supposed to spend money and go into ridiculous amounts of debt, and cause the next debt bubble in America and of course lead to its crash and another recession?
That would be pretty terrible considering the student loan bubble was created in the past 3 yrs
(proof--> http://www.zerohedge.com/news/bernanke-just-guaranteed-student-loan-bubble-will-be-next-financial-stability-issue). That seems to be the next cause of a recession unless people just start spending money they don't have which will cause a recession much sooner than bubble created by our current POTUS.

 

[riser]

Understood. Let us say if it does...a theoretical situation.

Take it a step further. What would cause gold to drop? In a world where every country is pretty much in debt from over spending, why would Gold drop? The only way gold would drop if is countries started paying off their debt. Figure gold is the market indicator. The higher gold goes, the worse the world's economy is. The reason gold is valuable is it is the standard currency. When all else fails, we will revert back to the gold standard. To me, it appears Russia is banking on the US economy collapsing from over spending.

 

[Reynod]

Baa ... Russian people are no different from people in the US ... and their leaders are just trying to muddle through like everyone else.

There is no plan ... there is no conspiracy ... there are just a heap of people focussed on their own milieu ...

I actually think the Chinese have just realised they have entangled themselved to the point where if they don't keep spending all of the money they have on resources they can't keep their economy going ... then their people will revolt ... the new middle classes ... they put a noose around their own necks.

They can't hold all of the money and bankrupt the rest of the world.

Its a bit like not liking your own left foot ... pointless trying to do something about it too.

North Korea on the other hand just starve their own people to make their economy deflate ... cull the weak ... the old ... the infirm.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

The problems with communism runs deep, not least of which depending on open markets to drive your economy

 

[dogman_1234]

I think you guys make a point:

riser: Ruskies are making a roulette gamble here. Say we do pay of our debt...

omg: when every citizen pay of his/her debt, then it is off to pay off the national debt. you know all those bonds we just keep buying...

rey: The current administration in china has realized that they are in an economic pit. the only way out is to dig a hole to the US... You make a point too. If all nations fail to pay dues to china, they are screwed...what do weer have to lose except a severe depression.

 

[musical marv]

How are consumers going to magically spend money that they do not have???
I'd like to draw your attention to concrete details showing Americans are making less money to prove my point-
http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/ed14fc70-fc51-11e1-aef9-00144feabdc0.html#axzz26JR8wPpm\
http://washington.cbslocal.com/2012/09/12/survey-one-third-of-americans-in-lower-classes-since-obama-took-office/

Are they just supposed to spend money and go into ridiculous amounts of debt, and cause the next debt bubble in America and of course lead to its crash and another recession?
That would be pretty terrible considering the student loan bubble was created in the past 3 yrs
(proof--> http://www.zerohedge.com/news/bernanke-just-guaranteed-student-loan-bubble-will-be-next-financial-stability-issue). That seems to be the next cause of a recession unless people just start spending money they don't have which will cause a recession much sooner than bubble created by our current POTUS.

Read what Robert Reich says on Huffington Post why consumers should start spending instead of hoarding on to their money.

 

[musical marv]

Consumers do NOT need to spend more, we spend just fine.

What Americans need to do is work hard to pay off all commerical debt in any form and try to sock as much in savings away as we can.

When our individual fiscal houses are in order the country as a whole will be better off and then we can start chipping away at the government's fiscal house.

The credit card debt that companies liked Capital One screwed us over with this big percentage of interest they charged and now finally the Consumer Bureau is looking into and fining them which they deserve.I agree some commercial debt we should pay off.

 

[mjmjpfaff]

Read what Robert Reich says on Huffington Post why consumers should start spending instead of hoarding on to their money.

No one is hoarding their money Marv. Everyone does not have money flowing from their ears. I certainly don't. I have not had money to buy a new dryer in years, or a barbecue or a refrigerator that works properly. People cannot just go into debt like the government can Marv. Especially with the economy in such a precarious position right now.
Reading Robert Reich like you told me to I found this-
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-reich/consumer-spending-economic-recovery_b_1591454.html

The answer is in front of our faces. It's because American consumers, whose spending is 70 percent of economic activity, don't have the dough to buy enough to boost the economy -- and they can no longer borrow like they could before the crash of 2008.

If you have any doubt, just take a look at the Survey of Consumer Finances, released Monday by the Federal Reserve. Median family income was $49,600 in 2007. By 2010 it was $45,800 -- a drop of 7.7%.

So he agrees with me the middle class consumer is not hoarding money, they just do not have the money.

 

[musical marv]

No one is hoarding their money Marv. Everyone does not have money flowing from their ears. I certainly don't. I have not had money to buy a new dryer in years, or a barbecue or a refrigerator that works properly. People cannot just go into debt like the government can Marv. Especially with the economy in such a precarious position right now.
Reading Robert Reich like you told me to I found this-
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-reich/consumer-spending-economic-recovery_b_1591454.html

The answer is in front of our faces. It's because American consumers, whose spending is 70 percent of economic activity, don't have the dough to buy enough to boost the economy -- and they can no longer borrow like they could before the crash of 2008.

If you have any doubt, just take a look at the Survey of Consumer Finances, released Monday by the Federal Reserve. Median family income was $49,600 in 2007. By 2010 it was $45,800 -- a drop of 7.7%.

So he agrees with me the middle class consumer is not hoarding money, they just do not have the money.

It is unfortunate that this is happening now.This goes back before Obama took office and the Wall Street and Banks were starting to decimate us and there were no regulations at all to see what they were doing.Two wars under Bush did not help us either.This idiot Romney wants to state that people in the Middle Class making under $250,000 should get tax cuts. Who the hell in the Middle Class makes $250,00! This man is a dreamer!

 

[mjmjpfaff]

It is unfortunate that this is happening now.This goes back before Obama took office and the Wall Street and Banks were starting to decimate us and there were no regulations at all to see what they were doing.Two wars under Bush did not help us either.This idiot Romney wants to state that people in the Middle Class making under $250,000 should get tax cuts. Who the hell in the Middle Class makes $250,00! This man is a dreamer!

I think you are talking about the housing market collapse (?) which was because of Clinton deregulating the housing market (and Bush did nothing to change that either) to make it easier to buy a home which screwed over the housing market by causing a bubble which collapsed in 2007. Blaming it on banks is like blaming a dog for biting you when you were teasing it with food in your hand. I know quite a few people making 250k (or combined incomes equaling 250K) and the majority of them are small business owners. My friend owns a landscaping co. and recently he has not been able to keep growing his co. and hiring more people. He says his business is stuck in a state of limbo basically.
Also Marv the fact that he said "under" says a lot.

 

[Reynod]

The problems with communism runs deep, not least of which depending on open markets to drive your economy

Careful ... North Korea and China are not communist countries ... both are effectively dictatorships ... one run by the military with a royal muppet ... the other run effectively by a central committee that controls the military.

Neither have free elections.

Neither permit freedom of expression / speech / press.

I doubt whether a true communist society ever existed beyond small aboriginal egalitarian societies in the past.

Even the USSR was a dictatorship effectively that moved to a central politburo, then effectively collapsed when their unsustainable high defence spending bankrupted the union ... and the wall then fell ... and Russia and the splintered states evolved / devolved.

Russia is far from a communist country now ... it resembles a democratically trending country with some very positive signs generally.

 

[musical marv]

If they are not communist countries why don't you go there and live and tell us what it is like there. You would not last 1 week there without complaining and wanting to go back to freedom.

 

[Reynod]

Jeez your a grumpy old dude sometimes Marv !!!

Did you actually read what I wrote ...

Any trouble in Moro over the last two days?

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

In marvs defense, I believe he is referring to what we know as communism today in practice, not some theoretical possibility that ends up a dictatorship, but helped thru a politoboro pushing the party line, where they did have elections, where voting turn out was higher than anywhere else on earth, and the dictator/leader almost always got 100% of that vote.
Like democracy, its the people who make it work, for good or bad, but histories show of practical use shows which is by far the most free