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The performance advanage for the E6700 was about 20% for both SMP on and off, where as it was 27% and 30% for SMP on and off respectively.
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I'm not sure where you are looking. Taking the Quake 4 640x480 numbers:

E6700 vs FX60
no SMP 137.3 vs 115.4 = 19% advantage
SMP 201.1 vs 167.9 = 20% advantage

X6800 vx FX60
no SMP 146.7 vs 115.4 = 27% advantage
SMP 219.4 vs 167.9 = 31& advantage

at 1280x1024

E6700 vs FX60
no SMP 137 vs 111.4 = 23% advantage
SMP 198.9 vs 167.5 = 19% advantage

X6800 vx FX60
no SMP 146.4 vs 111.4 = 31% advantage
SMP 215.7 vs 167.5 = 29& advantage

It's really only at higher resolution that we see performance advantage dropping going to SMP. Even then the drop for the E6700 was 4% while the X6800 was only 2%. This would be indicative of bandwidth starvation at higher clock speeds. Overall, I don't see bandwidth being a problem.

Could the 2.93 GHz release be more because 1333 MHz bussing was not ready and Intel has measured on average that above 3 GHz a 1067 begins bottlenecking?
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Even if above 3GHz bottlenecking occurs that's still no reason to release at 2.93GHz. They are releasing a 3.2GHz X6900 anyways so if there is an issue it's not like they are hiding it very long. Seems to me like they've set up another naming system poorly where they've run out of numbers. Even if they were to release a 3.46GHz Conroe they have nothing to call it with the 3.2GHz already being the X6900. Their nomenclature kind of constrained what models they can release. They should have done it like the Xeon system where the 10s digit indicates clock speeds rather than the 100s digit. The 100s digit would then indicate relative cache amount (2MB is 62xx, 4MB 64xx, etc) so that not all the 2MB Conroes/Allendales aren't lumped with the 4MB ones.

Not sure, I have not seen any bandwidth data on the bus so nothing can be conclusive at this point.
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The bandwidth data is everywhere actually. A 1066MHz FSB can theoretically provide up to 8.54GB/s of bandwidth.

http://www.hothardware.com/viewarticle.aspx

At the bottom we see Conroe getting 5652MB/s on the FSB or 66% which is pretty good.

Anandtech actually showed better.

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2771&p=2

At the bottom we see it reaching 7623MB/s or a 89% utilization. The caveat is that they used different software to test. Also the fact that Anandtech used the X6800 while Hot Hardware used the E6700 also helped a bit. However, I think the real reason is that Anandtech used the 965 chipset with the new Fast Memory Access while Hot Hardware used the 975. Once again, the 975 chipset is showing that it can no longer be considered a flagship product. The bandwidth in the 965 chipset should be more than enough for dual cores at 3GHz and beyond. It isn't nearly enough for Kentsfield though, even if we could achieve 100% utilization which isn't happening. A 1333MHz FSB with good utilization is still needed there.
 
I don't know if you have it already, but here's a picture of the 800MHz Merom.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=102740

They should be out in Q2 2007. They're calling it a T7500. Why there is no naming distinction for the 800Mhz FSB is beyond me. I don't quite remember how big the die was on the 667MHz Merom, but this 800MHz one looks very big.
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Hm, yes that is a massive die! But it looks exactly the same as a 667mhz Merom, both front and back as shown below.

Links below should be just big enough for wallpapers if desired. :tongue:

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/5591/meromfront4ek.jpg

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/1322/meromback2ke.jpg

@gOJDO If you are worried about overclocked FSB speeds then you should probably wait for ATI's RD600 where, at least according to early reports, 1500FSB is expected with 1600FSB being possible. No more need for memory dividers and therefore super-expensive 2gb DDR2 RAM kits for good overclocks is also a big plus. :twisted:
 
Wow!!
http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/914/

From the website:
"..... we tested using a retail Intel 965P motherboard from Gigabyte, the 965P-DQ6 to be exact, without any interference from either Intel or Gigabyte. We were left on our own to build the system from scratch, install all of our own software, use our own benchmarking demos - just as we would in our own labs - it's a truly independent set of benchmark numbers on a system you will be able to buy once Intel release their processors to the market...."

"Today we are thrilled to bring you the most complete set of Conroe benchmarks to ever be seen and we compare directly against a lot of other processors including Athlon FX-62, 5000+ and Pentium EE 955 and so on"

And finally...
"Not once did AMD’s current highest performing and most expensive FX-62 processor come close to beating the Conroe. At times, the X6800 was over 50% faster"

:lol:
Nuff said!!
 
Reaper,

Hmmmmm Would that be you that put it on EBAY?

With an 80% positive rating?

Sellers name happens to be : reaperofchaos87

And you are reaper87 on this site! hmmmmm and you just saw it on the web?

Dude at least change your name if you are going to bait this forum... We are not stupid here (OK most of us).
 
Nice edit!

At least it now reads properly!

When you say I saw it on Ebay that is what was my concern. You did not see it on ebay you LISTED it on ebay. You were not concerned about the truth until called out!
 
Sorry if this question has already been answered but I am trying to not read through the full 21 pages in this thread to find out....

Will there be an NF4 motherboard, or even NF3 boards out by the release of Conroe so that I can have support for SLI? This is my main concern since I have purchased a BFG 7900 GT in hopes of building a over clocked 805 D system.. I have since scrapped the 805 D plans and i am going to wait for the Conroe. I am just hoping I can get SLI when it first comes out since I dont really trust ATI that much... (I would like to pleed for immunity from the ATI fan.... so please dont break out the chains and pitch forks!)
 
Being an AMD fan, this is like Star Wars... Intel pulls an "Empire Stikes Back" with Conroe (must admit, didn't think they had the brains to do another architecture, and a nice job they did), but those silly rebels in AMD land aren't going to sit back and take this like a woman. Won't be long before AMD pulls a "Return of the Jedi" on Intel...

Should be a helluva fight, not to mention good for consumers! :twisted:

PDH-NicFury 8)
 
It might chnage in the future, but right now, the only nvidia chipset that will be the nf5-590 - intel edition. So you should'nt have any problem to put your 7900Gt to good use and have the chance to SLI it later on...

After another round of price cute, 805 will be dirt cheap, if you buy the correct motherboard you could always buy it and when the dust settle and the Conrore have good availabilty and are'nt overpriced or whatever because of low stock, you could swap it. Only thing is that no motherboard exept the 975XBX ver304 allow you to do that now and that mobo does'nt support SLI.

So you'll have to wait a little but maybe, you can get around waiting for general availability of conroe...
 
It might chnage in the future, but right now, the only nvidia chipset that will be the nf5-590 - intel edition. So you should'nt have any problem to put your 7900Gt to good use and have the chance to SLI it later on...

After another round of price cute, 805 will be dirt cheap, if you buy the correct motherboard you could always buy it and when the dust settle and the Conrore have good availabilty and are'nt overpriced or whatever because of low stock, you could swap it. Only thing is that no motherboard exept the 975XBX ver304 allow you to do that now and that mobo does'nt support SLI.

So you'll have to wait a little but maybe, you can get around waiting for general availability of conroe...
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Im starting to think that I should just get a low end Conroe board, use my 7900 GT, and when the games get too intense for my one 7900 GT to run, buy a NF5-590 mobo and a second 7900 GT (which should be dirt cheap by then, i hope!) and run them in SLI. That way i can spend less money and still get a kick ass performance from my system with good upgradability.
 
I finally read the Tweaktown review... There numbers are rather fishy with the 955EE, as it is doing better than a FX62 in a few cases, yet a 965EE is lucky to top a FX60 on Anandtech's past benchmarks. And the AMD rigs both were limited to 1gb of RAM while every Intel rig got 2gigs. I swear I don't know why people bother... :roll: Since they claim to have built every rig themselves, I don't see why it was done as such.

Anyway, to the point of my post. Is any of this true or has anyone seen any basis for this outside of TT's website? Quoting directly from their review article:

Apparently, Intel is set to delay the release of the processors into the channel until September, so now you may have to wait a little longer for what we really feel is going to be a CPU design for Intel which will really change the industry and what gamers consider as the CPU of choice.
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Now things are looking very good for Intel – they have the fastest desktop PC processor in the world just waiting to let it loose and a great chipset platform in the Intel 965P and nVidia nForce 5 series with ATI lurking around in the background with their RD600 chipset which should be launched around September 2006, apparently the same time as Intel will release their new Core 2 Duo and Core 2 Extreme processors into the market.
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Quotes above taken from: http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/914/benchmarking_intel_conroe_core_2_x6800_e6700_and_e6600/index.html
 
Conroe is not delayed and is due out on june 26th.

I finally read the Tweaktown review... There numbers are rather fishy with the 955EE, as it is doing better than a FX62 in a few cases, yet a 965EE is lucky to top a FX60 on Anandtech's past benchmarks. And the AMD rigs both were limited to 1gb of RAM while every Intel rig got 2gigs. I swear I don't know why people bother... :roll: Since they claim to have built every rig themselves, I don't see why it was done as such.

Anyway, to the point of my post. Is any of this true or has anyone seen any basis for this outside of TT's website? Quoting directly from their review article:

Apparently, Intel is set to delay the release of the processors into the channel until September, so now you may have to wait a little longer for what we really feel is going to be a CPU design for Intel which will really change the industry and what gamers consider as the CPU of choice.
Click to expand...

Now things are looking very good for Intel – they have the fastest desktop PC processor in the world just waiting to let it loose and a great chipset platform in the Intel 965P and nVidia nForce 5 series with ATI lurking around in the background with their RD600 chipset which should be launched around September 2006, apparently the same time as Intel will release their new Core 2 Duo and Core 2 Extreme processors into the market.
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Quotes above taken from: http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/914/benchmarking_intel_conroe_core_2_x6800_e6700_and_e6600/index.html
 
Conroe is not delayed and is due out on june 26th.

I finally read the Tweaktown review... There numbers are rather fishy with the 955EE, as it is doing better than a FX62 in a few cases, yet a 965EE is lucky to top a FX60 on Anandtech's past benchmarks. And the AMD rigs both were limited to 1gb of RAM while every Intel rig got 2gigs. I swear I don't know why people bother... :roll: Since they claim to have built every rig themselves, I don't see why it was done as such.

Anyway, to the point of my post. Is any of this true or has anyone seen any basis for this outside of TT's website? Quoting directly from their review article:

Apparently, Intel is set to delay the release of the processors into the channel until September, so now you may have to wait a little longer for what we really feel is going to be a CPU design for Intel which will really change the industry and what gamers consider as the CPU of choice.
Click to expand...

Now things are looking very good for Intel – they have the fastest desktop PC processor in the world just waiting to let it loose and a great chipset platform in the Intel 965P and nVidia nForce 5 series with ATI lurking around in the background with their RD600 chipset which should be launched around September 2006, apparently the same time as Intel will release their new Core 2 Duo and Core 2 Extreme processors into the market.
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Quotes above taken from: http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/914/benchmarking_intel_conroe_core_2_x6800_e6700_and_e6600/index.html

Going by the article that THG released it stated that the new Xeon (Woodcrest) will be released in late June but the Conroe will not be released until July 23rd.
 
you got it backwards - conroe first in june then xeon in july. i read that article and that's actually what i'm refering to.

Conroe is not delayed and is due out on june 26th.

I finally read the Tweaktown review... There numbers are rather fishy with the 955EE, as it is doing better than a FX62 in a few cases, yet a 965EE is lucky to top a FX60 on Anandtech's past benchmarks. And the AMD rigs both were limited to 1gb of RAM while every Intel rig got 2gigs. I swear I don't know why people bother... :roll: Since they claim to have built every rig themselves, I don't see why it was done as such.

Anyway, to the point of my post. Is any of this true or has anyone seen any basis for this outside of TT's website? Quoting directly from their review article:

Apparently, Intel is set to delay the release of the processors into the channel until September, so now you may have to wait a little longer for what we really feel is going to be a CPU design for Intel which will really change the industry and what gamers consider as the CPU of choice.
Click to expand...

Now things are looking very good for Intel – they have the fastest desktop PC processor in the world just waiting to let it loose and a great chipset platform in the Intel 965P and nVidia nForce 5 series with ATI lurking around in the background with their RD600 chipset which should be launched around September 2006, apparently the same time as Intel will release their new Core 2 Duo and Core 2 Extreme processors into the market.
Click to expand...

Quotes above taken from: http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/914/benchmarking_intel_conroe_core_2_x6800_e6700_and_e6600/index.html

Going by the article that THG released it stated that the new Xeon (Woodcrest) will be released in late June but the Conroe will not be released until July 23rd.
 
you got it backwards - conroe first in june then xeon in july. i read that article and that's actually what i'm refering to.

Conroe is not delayed and is due out on june 26th.

I finally read the Tweaktown review... There numbers are rather fishy with the 955EE, as it is doing better than a FX62 in a few cases, yet a 965EE is lucky to top a FX60 on Anandtech's past benchmarks. And the AMD rigs both were limited to 1gb of RAM while every Intel rig got 2gigs. I swear I don't know why people bother... :roll: Since they claim to have built every rig themselves, I don't see why it was done as such.

Anyway, to the point of my post. Is any of this true or has anyone seen any basis for this outside of TT's website? Quoting directly from their review article:

Apparently, Intel is set to delay the release of the processors into the channel until September, so now you may have to wait a little longer for what we really feel is going to be a CPU design for Intel which will really change the industry and what gamers consider as the CPU of choice.
Click to expand...

Now things are looking very good for Intel – they have the fastest desktop PC processor in the world just waiting to let it loose and a great chipset platform in the Intel 965P and nVidia nForce 5 series with ATI lurking around in the background with their RD600 chipset which should be launched around September 2006, apparently the same time as Intel will release their new Core 2 Duo and Core 2 Extreme processors into the market.
Click to expand...

Quotes above taken from: http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/914/benchmarking_intel_conroe_core_2_x6800_e6700_and_e6600/index.html

Going by the article that THG released it stated that the new Xeon (Woodcrest) will be released in late June but the Conroe will not be released until July 23rd.
 
How exactly did I get it wrong?

Directly copied from the article itself:

"The desktop version of the Xeon 5100, called Core 2 Duo E4000/E6000 series (conroe) core is rumored to launch on 23 July. The mobile variant (Core 2 Duo T5000/T7000), which is the foundation for the Xeon 5100 and the Core 2 Duo E series, will follow in August or September."

So, again, Conroe will be released in late July, not June.
 
*sigh

called Core 2 Duo E4000/E6000 series (conroe) core is rumored to launch on 23 July

I got too excited and jumped the gun =(

Alas, we DT dwellers will need to wait a little longer, woodrest (xeon) on June 26th, Conroe July 23rd, but if you are building yourself mid August is probably most likely to find boxed CPUs to have.

EDIT: added link - http://www.tgdaily.com/2006/06/13/core_to_launch_on_26_june/

Jack
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June 15 2006: FreeCableGuy has a new Stepping-5 Core 2 Duo E6700. Which is an even newer fab run than anything we have seen thus far. And it has improved again both in performance per clock and stability as less voltage is needed at high overclocks. As has been explained before, the launching products are acutally better than most of the engineering samples we have seen thus far, as Intel tweaks their manufacturing processes.

He is curently limited by his motherboard (426MHz FSB) and still with that he has hit 4.3GHz with this chip and set some new world records.

Aquamark3: 202,954
3dMark05: 23,664
SuperPi: 12.281 @ 4.26GHz @ 1.457 Vcore!

Now this isn't a world record SuperPi time (that was set with a 5GHz Core 2) but the key is that it achieved this amazing score with a 1.475 Vcore. That is truly amazing.

Link: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=103349
 
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