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Hey buds,

i wonder if it is sensible buying an high-end DX 9.0c card (which costs around 500-550 usd) at this time or waiting for Windows Vista with DX 10 and a card DX 10 compatible? What do you suggest about this serious case? (These days are maybe critical days for customers)
 
Strangely, many of the high dollar cards' gpus do not have the encryption keys incorporated in them to fully support HDVD specs, so unless ATI and Nvidia have resolved this, I'd avoid paying $550 on a video card that will or may not properly render BluRay or HDVD encoded movies at their high (1920x1080) resolutions intended...

The other poster is correct, in that this Direct x 10 "carrot" will likely be withheld to strictly WIndows Vista users, so, there will likely be an additional $400 for a decent version fo the OS, when it can be purchased at all in the OEM market is unknown, as it has already been slipped to Jan of 07 officially....
 
Can you wait a year to upgrade, and also will you be buying vista if not dx10 will be pointless as only vista will run it.
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Yes, i can but if DirectX 10 isn't willing to make many differences comparing DirectX 9.0c, i dont need to wait for Vista and that card. I just wanna make a right decision.

Also I agree with you mdd1963 but I will use that card for just "fast gaming" 😉 A movie rendered for VCD satisfies me, i dont care pixel resolution most of the time in a movie, moreover a card such as X1900 XT will be greatly enough for this situation.
 
With Vista being delayed you've got more than enough time.

I'd say it'll be about 1year+ before you'll know for sure what you want for next gen games and for the OS. Only people forced to buy a new computer at the end of the year should worry because they'll be getting into Vista during it's early buggy moments, and the games will neeed polishing too before making it desireable for people to go to DX10 class cards for anything other than improved DX9 performance.
 
With Vista being delayed you've got more than enough time.

I'd say it'll be about 1year+ before you'll know for sure what you want for next gen games and for the OS. Only people forced to buy a new computer at the end of the year should worry because they'll be getting into Vista during it's early buggy moments, and the games will neeed polishing too before making it desireable for people to go to DX10 class cards for anything other than improved DX9 performance.
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Yes dude, you've caught the right point i think, i remember windows XP's early the buggiest moments and it was really cumbersome!! So.. It seems that Vista has many months maybe years to be updated for stable operating and gaming smoothly.

Hmmm... I will buy my 1900 XT and i hope to play my games for at least 2 years regardless such worries! :) Also i am gonna use my old XP too 😛

*Thanks everybody*
 
You should wait until it comes out. Yes, you can buy a DX9.c card and its going to backward compatible with DX10 but not fully supports it, otherwise sayting its' only gonna be as good as DX9.c not DX10. Also DX10 has Shader4.0 and it's only gonna support the DX10 cards. So if you want to get a card now just get an inexpensive one and wait for the Vista and DX10 card to come out. 😀
 
If you spend $1,000 on a video card now, and get a DirectX 10.x card come March / April 2007 (the 2nd 'class' of DX 10 cards will be out by then, sort of like the X800 to X850 transition), then what has it cost you ?

$1,000 / 365 days = About $2.74 per day.

Then subtract resale value for the upgrade from that, assuming a -36% depreciation over 12 months, and it really only costs $1 per day or so to have high end parts.

- or keep the card in a 2nd system for value reasons, bearing in mind it's value adding about $635 to the system (as you don't need to buy one if you already have one.)

The initial cost is the only real enemy. 😛


Not all banks are your enemy, and 'over time' you don't even need to borrow money to stay on the edge cost effectively.

Tabris v2.0: Smart with PCs and now +80% smarter with money. 8) (Bling, Bling).
 
Ok, guys i start an inquiry then.. 😳

*Dont wait for Vista and DX 10 compatible card, buy what you want*

TheGreatGrapeApe
sleepdeprived82
StrangeStranger

*Wait for Vista and DX 10 compatible card, but buy cheap card untill that time*


Chuckshissle
TabrisDarkPeace

*Wait for Vista and DX 10 compatible card*

mdd1963
prozac26


and other 3D Gurus, which option do you consider from these three cases?

( i'll be updating that inquiry untill next week)
 
Im sort of in the middle

If you have a poor to middle card at the moment I would not wait, just go and buy the top of the line beast.

If feel you already have a decent card that will play games for another years happly then wait.

Im swaying more towards do not wait just go buy a new top card now, we are talking graphics cards here what ever you buy will be old tech within 6 months.

I would way it up

Can your current card last a year?
will you be happy to be an early adopter of vista (bugs and all)?
Do you feel DX10 will make significant changes wirth waiting for?
How long before games use DX10,as buy the time they do your new dx10 card may be old hat and unable to cope whith high standards.


Its tough glad im not making the decision

What card do you currently have?
 
"New nVidias and ATIs will be supported on Vista, and will be able to run DX10, "

Many have interpreted the phrase "supported by Vista" as being synonymous with "supports Direct x 10", which is most definitely not the case...

Many older cards will be supported by Vista, as Vista will have less intensive graphical effects to match the rig's installed hardware, similar to many different Direst x9/8 game rendering options...

As long as people are just gaming, it's of little consequence, but I for one would be quite "irritated" if I forked out several thousand dollars on a pair of 7900GTX cards, the latest SLI premium deluxe mainboard, an FX60, and a Dell 30" 2560x1600 widescreen, only to discover that said rig will not work in the new high res HDVD/Blue Ray movie standards (1900 x 1080?) save for perhaps at much lower than normal resolution equivalent to DVD quality or less beacuse of a lack of necessary HDVD encryption keys in the gpu or mainboard at a cost of .005 cents to the mobo/gpu maker..
 
Im sort of in the middle

If you have a poor to middle card at the moment I would not wait, just go and buy the top of the line beast.

If feel you already have a decent card that will play games for another years happly then wait.

Im swaying more towards do not wait just go buy a new top card now, we are talking graphics cards here what ever you buy will be old tech within 6 months.

I would way it up

Can your current card last a year?
will you be happy to be an early adopter of vista (bugs and all)?
Do you feel DX10 will make significant changes wirth waiting for?
How long before games use DX10,as buy the time they do your new dx10 card may be old hat and unable to cope whith high standards.


Its tough glad im not making the decision

What card do you currently have?
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I have an ASUS A9800 XT. this is my main problem. it started to suck most of the new games such as COD2, FEAR, Black and white 2 🙁

I cant predict what DX 10 may bring, thats why im asking for suggestion.

About vista, i want to emphasise i cant tolerate any bug during operating or gaming or watching movies. i dont suppose i can be happy with such bugs and also you may not stand these too.. most of the people truely
 
In which case I would upgrade now, I would say something like a x1900 is going to keep you happy for 2 years. By that time vista will be stable, more games will be using DX10 and you will probably need a new system by then anyway.
 
*Wait for Vista and DX 10 compatible card, but buy cheap card untill that time*

Chuckshissle
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Add me to that list (see above comment with large text about it costing SFA anyway 😛).

What will Direct X 10.x bring ?

See http://www.microsoft.com/xna aswell as their DirectX page for info.

Current games require DirectX 9.0 be installed, but actually only use DirectX 8.1 features for the most part.

Future games may require DirectX 10.0 be installed, but actually only use DirectX 9.0 features.

No game will require both DirectX 10.0, and a DX 10.0 compliant GPU just to run for some time. (The target market is too small, they want to sell 10 million copies. not 10 thousand 😛). Games will support DirectX 9.0 cards for quite some time.

DirectX 10.x is going to make game creation easier, more shinny effects, and DX 10.x GPUs will be faster, but that is a given anyway as they are 12 months away from mass adoption still. (once again see my above post with the large text).

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Consider getting a Radeon X800 XL/XT, X850 Pro or a GeForce 6800 GT/GS or a GeForce 7600 GT/GeForce 7800GS...... we are talking AGP aren't we ?, if so look at the GS and Pro parts. 8)

eg: The Radeon X850 Pro for AGP, might be sourcable for cheap, and can run FEAR at decent speeds, but'll you'll need to run mid-ish settings for it.
 
*Wait for Vista and DX 10 compatible card, but buy cheap card untill that time*

Chuckshissle
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Add me to that list (see above comment with large text about it costing SFA anyway 😛).

What will Direct X 10.x bring ?

See http://www.microsoft.com/xna aswell as their DirectX page for info.

Current games require DirectX 9.0 be installed, but actually only use DirectX 8.1 features for the most part.

Future games may require DirectX 10.0 be installed, but actually only use DirectX 9.0 features.

No game will require both DirectX 10.0, and a DX 1.0 compliant GPU just to run for some time. (The target market is too small, they want to sell 10 million copies. not 10 thousand 😛). Games will support DirectX 9.0 cards for quite some time.

DirectX 10.x is going to make game creation easier, more shinny effects, and DX 10.x GPUs will be faster, but that is a given anyway as they are 12 months away from mass adoption still. (once again see my above post with the large text).

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Consider getting a Radeon X800 XL/XT, X850 Pro or a GeForce 6800 GT/GS or a GeForce 7600 GT/GeForce 7800GS...... we are talking AGP aren't we ?, if so look at the GS and Pro parts. 8)

eg: The Radeon X850 Pro for AGP, might be sourcable for cheap, and can run FEAR at decent speeds, but'll you'll need to run mid-ish settings for it.

AGP or PCI-ex interfaces never bother me.. i can change my mobo and maybe my processor too 😉

Yes, Lists are updated instantly by myself... and standing is interesting: 2-2-2
 
*Dont wait for Vista and DX 10 compatible card, buy what you want*

TheGreatGrapeApe
sleepdeprived82
StrangeStranger

*Wait for Vista and DX 10 compatible card, but buy cheap card untill that time*


Chuckshissle
TabrisDarkPeace

*Wait for Vista and DX 10 compatible card*

mdd1963
prozac26
 
Add me to the "buy inexpensive mid-range card" now crowd.

Facts/reasons:

MS Vista/DX10 are a minimum of 9 months out.

DX10 compliant hardware/GPUs at least 6 months out.

Current system is AGP based (based on ownership a Radeon 9800XT)

*Since said system IS AGP based... if and when you want to go Vista/DX10, a complete system upgrade will be in order, especially for games that will be written for it (another year beyond Vista's release?).

Who wants to wait a year or more for "compliant hardware" and software? Take into consideration will Vista be fully baked upon release? Has ANY MS OS been fully baked on release? Do you want to buy into the heavily DRM'd Vista right away? Are you going to buy a $500-$1000 "blu-ray" based player as soon as they are available? Oh yeah, that Wide Screen Monitor is going to need to be changed too...

To the "wait and buy" crowd: Wait for the next best thing, you'll never get around to buying it. Oh, and it must be nice to be able to dig deep to buy into the "next big" DRM land mine field, which will cost as much as the current budget busting mid-east wars. MS and the Hardware Vendors WANT you to wait... BIG MONEY for all of them! Bahhhhh! Today's systems, at least mid-ranged hardware of the last year, will last for sometime.
 
*Dont wait for Vista and DX 10 compatible card, buy what you want*

TheGreatGrapeApe
sleepdeprived82
StrangeStranger

*Wait for Vista and DX 10 compatible card, but buy cheap card untill that time*


Chuckshissle
TabrisDarkPeace
ProHandyman

*Wait for Vista and DX 10 compatible card*

mdd1963
prozac26


Current graphics card: 9800 XT 256 MB. DDR

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Thx for sensible comments prohandyman :wink: Of course i dont want to buy a blue-ray driver which costs around 500-600 dollars, on the other hand considering GPU market, its a bit different than purchasing blue-ray driver.. There are a lot of people who invest big money on graphics cards. I am not as rich as Billy, but i can afford it and it may be well-worth to cost. Beside these, im against extravagance of money for astronomicly brought up systems.
 
I'm not sure of your "system specs" right now. If you are Socket A, or a S478, I would consider upgrading my major components right now (mobo, CPU, RAM if not able to bring forward), along with the video card. Needless to say, the power supply may need to be upgraded also.
 
*Dont wait for Vista and DX 10 compatible card, buy what you want*

TheGreatGrapeApe
sleepdeprived82
StrangeStranger

*Wait for Vista and DX 10 compatible card, but buy cheap card untill that time and then change Mobo,processor and RAM etc...*


Chuckshissle
TabrisDarkPeace
ProHandyman

*Wait for Vista, DX 10 compatible card and change Mobo,processor and RAM etc..*

mdd1963
prozac26





Current graphics card: 9800 XT 256 MB. DDR

2.8 GHz Pentium 4 socket 478
i865 chipset
1024 MB DDR 400 Mhz RAM

P.S: Note that I can change all of the components in my system.

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Inquiry have been updated
 
Everyone needs to remember that game developers are not going to leave 90+ percent of the market behind just for DX10. They realize that most computer gamers are not all going to rush out to upgrade hardware especially if they just invested thousands of dollors in it. Games will be compatible with earlier versions of DX so I wouldn't worry. Besides, I don't know about you guys but most people I play with online turn most of the eye candy off anyway to improve frags even if they don't have to.

Something that concerns me more is the fact that computer gaming has lost so much ground to consoles. I believe I heard somewhere that computer gaming has dropped to forth place overall. The new generation consoles are getting alot better in many ways. The game developers for one save money because they only have to worry about one platform. They simply just don't have near as many issues with development. We could all see the day when consoles completely take the market. Compare buying a $500 to $600 console that can play online and last 3 years to a $500 graphics card that lasts 9 months or so. More and more teir one game developers are moving to consoles only. It makes you wonder? Don't get me wrong because I only play computer based games. I just don't know how much longer I can justify puttings hundread and thousands of dollars in new rigs or upgrades. Without gaming on a PC do we really need even the hardware we have today?

Sorry everyone, just thinking out loud.
 
Ok looking at specs and knowing you have AGP i now say buy a cheap card now, like a x800gto or 6800gs then upgrade it all in a year or so.

Saying that I wouldnt wait myself because im inpatient but I would tell myself wait its the right thing to do just dam wait, sadly my urge gets the better of me and I have to upgrade.
 
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