converting altars

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I've NEVER been able to successfully convert an altar while wearing SLB.
Every time, my equipment turns to dust. I'm generally able to convert the
altar immediately after (My standing with neither my own nor the
altar's diety has improved since the previous attempt).

Clearly I'm an idiot for wearing SLB during such a situation, this has
happened more times than I care to admit. Can anyone remember a time they
have successfully converted an altar while wearing them (do I just have
particularly bad luck)?

 

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frobnoid wrote:
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> I've NEVER been able to successfully convert an altar while wearing SLB.
> Every time, my equipment turns to dust. I'm generally able to convert the
> altar immediately after (My standing with neither my own nor the
> altar's diety has improved since the previous attempt).
>
> Clearly I'm an idiot for wearing SLB during such a situation, this has
> happened more times than I care to admit. Can anyone remember a time they
> have successfully converted an altar while wearing them (do I just have
> particularly bad luck)?

I'm sure I have, although usually I'd take off everything first, so it's
probably been some time.

I don't think luck factors in this equation significantly, if at all.
Altar conversion seems to be mostly a function of your alignment, the
altar's alignment, your piety values, maybe your level or the dungeon's
danger level, and the size of the sacrifice. More often than not, the
last one seems to be the cause of the problem when conversion does not
work. How did you try to convert the altar?

Malte

 

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On Mon, 09 May 2005 01:18:14 +0200, Malte Helmert wrote:

> frobnoid wrote:
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>> I've NEVER been able to successfully convert an altar while wearing SLB.
>> Every time, my equipment turns to dust. I'm generally able to convert
>> the altar immediately after (My standing with neither my own nor the
>> altar's diety has improved since the previous attempt).
>>
>> Clearly I'm an idiot for wearing SLB during such a situation, this has
>> happened more times than I care to admit. Can anyone remember a time
>> they have successfully converted an altar while wearing them (do I just
>> have particularly bad luck)?
>
> I'm sure I have, although usually I'd take off everything first, so it's
> probably been some time.
>
> I don't think luck factors in this equation significantly, if at all.
> Altar conversion seems to be mostly a function of your alignment, the
> altar's alignment, your piety values, maybe your level or the dungeon's
> danger level, and the size of the sacrifice. More often than not, the last
> one seems to be the cause of the problem when conversion does not work.
> How did you try to convert the altar?

This particular time:
Me=N+, level 10-12, lucky, reasonable piety (near, but not quite at "Fate
Smiles" with N, poor piety with L (but not THAT low)
Altar=L, D2

I live sacced a goblin, got my stuff zapped, then live sacced a kobold and
converted it. I had previously converted a L altar no problem just a few
hundred turns before.

I typically live sac altars to convert them and have gotten zapped every
time with SLBs (thats only five or six times, but even so...)
I very rarely get zapped otherwise (but it does happen).

BTW, this is 1.1.1, and I know you're (exclusively?) a 1.0 player, so that
might have some bearing on this too.

 

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"frobnoid" <frobnoid@orders2.tmok.com> wrote in message
news😛an.2005.05.09.01.02.19.231414@orders2.tmok.com...
> On Mon, 09 May 2005 01:18:14 +0200, Malte Helmert wrote:
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>> frobnoid wrote:
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>>> I've NEVER been able to successfully convert an altar while wearing SLB.
>>> Every time, my equipment turns to dust. I'm generally able to convert
>>> the altar immediately after (My standing with neither my own nor the
>>> altar's diety has improved since the previous attempt).
>>>
>>> Clearly I'm an idiot for wearing SLB during such a situation, this has
>>> happened more times than I care to admit. Can anyone remember a time
>>> they have successfully converted an altar while wearing them (do I just
>>> have particularly bad luck)?
>>
>> I'm sure I have, although usually I'd take off everything first, so it's
>> probably been some time.
>>
>> I don't think luck factors in this equation significantly, if at all.
>> Altar conversion seems to be mostly a function of your alignment, the
>> altar's alignment, your piety values, maybe your level or the dungeon's
>> danger level, and the size of the sacrifice. More often than not, the
>> last
>> one seems to be the cause of the problem when conversion does not work.
>> How did you try to convert the altar?
>
> This particular time:
> Me=N+, level 10-12, lucky, reasonable piety (near, but not quite at "Fate
> Smiles" with N, poor piety with L (but not THAT low)
> Altar=L, D2
>
> I live sacced a goblin, got my stuff zapped, then live sacced a kobold and
> converted it. I had previously converted a L altar no problem just a few
> hundred turns before.
>
> I typically live sac altars to convert them and have gotten zapped every
> time with SLBs (thats only five or six times, but even so...)
> I very rarely get zapped otherwise (but it does happen).
>
> BTW, this is 1.1.1, and I know you're (exclusively?) a 1.0 player, so that
> might have some bearing on this too.
From AW's ADOM guidebook:
1) DO NOT sacrifice a creature whose alignment is the same as the PC's or
the altar's. If you need to take advantage of live sacrifices to increase
piety, only sacrifice nonaligned monsters on an aligned altar.

2) If you must convert an altar, do it with gold. It is much, much safer.

I've converted many altars, several while wearing 7LB's I tend to avoid live
sac'ing prior to converting the altar after reading the above.

Danny

 

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Daniel Morris wrote:
> "frobnoid" <frobnoid@orders2.tmok.com> wrote in message
> news😛an.2005.05.09.01.02.19.231414@orders2.tmok.com...
> > On Mon, 09 May 2005 01:18:14 +0200, Malte Helmert wrote:
> >
> >> frobnoid wrote:
> >>> S
> >>> p
> >>> o
> >>> i
> >>> l
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> >>> a
> >>> h
> >>> e
> >>> a
> >>> d
> >>>
> >>> .
> >>> .
> >>> .
> >>>
> >>> I've NEVER been able to successfully convert an altar while
> >>> wearing SLB. Every time, my equipment turns to dust. I'm
> >>> generally able to convert the altar immediately after (My
> >>> standing with neither my own nor the altar's diety has improved
> >>> since the previous attempt).
> >>>
> >>> Clearly I'm an idiot for wearing SLB during such a situation,
> >>> this has happened more times than I care to admit. Can anyone
> >>> remember a time they have successfully converted an altar while
> >>> wearing them(do I just have particularly bad luck)?
> >>
> >> I'm sure I have, although usually I'd take off everything first,
> >> so it's probably been some time.
> >>
> >> I don't think luck factors in this equation significantly, if at
> >> all. Altar conversion seems to be mostly a function of your
> >> alignment, the altar's alignment, your piety values, maybe your
> >> level or the dungeon's danger level, and the size of the
> >> sacrifice. More often than not, the last one seems to be the
> >> cause of the problem when conversion does not work.

> >> How did you try to convert the altar?
> >
> > This particular time:
> > Me=N+, level 10-12, lucky, reasonable piety (near, but not quite
> > at "Fate Smiles" with N, poor piety with L (but not THAT low)
> > Altar=L, D2
> >
> > I live sacced a goblin, got my stuff zapped, then live sacced a
> > kobold and converted it. I had previously converted a L altar no
> > problem just a few hundred turns before.
> >
> > I typically live sac altars to convert them and have gotten
> > Zapped every time with SLBs (thats only five or six times, but
> > even so...) I very rarely get zapped otherwise (but it does
happen).
> >
> > BTW, this is 1.1.1, and I know you're (exclusively?) a 1.0 player,
> > so that might have some bearing on this too.

> From AW's ADOM guidebook:
> 1) DO NOT sacrifice a creature whose alignment is the same as the
> PC's or the altar's. If you need to take advantage of live sacrifices
> to increase piety, only sacrifice nonaligned monsters on an aligned
> altar.
>
> 2) If you must convert an altar, do it with gold. It is much, much
> safer.
>
> I've converted many altars, several while wearing 7LB's I tend to
> avoid live sac'ing prior to converting the altar after reading the
above.
>
> Danny

Never had a problem with 7LB and saccing, either.
Sacrifice 3000 gold. Works everytime.

 

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frobnoid wrote:
> On Mon, 09 May 2005 01:18:14 +0200, Malte Helmert wrote:
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>
>>frobnoid wrote:
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>>I don't think luck factors in this equation significantly, if at all.
>>Altar conversion seems to be mostly a function of your alignment, the
>>altar's alignment, your piety values, maybe your level or the dungeon's
>>danger level, and the size of the sacrifice. More often than not, the last
>>one seems to be the cause of the problem when conversion does not work.
>>How did you try to convert the altar?
>
>
> This particular time:
> Me=N+, level 10-12, lucky, reasonable piety (near, but not quite at "Fate
> Smiles" with N, poor piety with L (but not THAT low)
> Altar=L, D2
>
> I live sacced a goblin, got my stuff zapped, then live sacced a kobold and
> converted it. I had previously converted a L altar no problem just a few
> hundred turns before.

Then I'd guess that your piety with the L god *was* that low after the
altar conversion, and that would seem to be a good enough explanation
for me.

> I typically live sac altars to convert them and have gotten zapped every
> time with SLBs (thats only five or six times, but even so...)
> I very rarely get zapped otherwise (but it does happen).

I never live-sac to convert except at very low levels (before the CoC),
and then only with extra precautions. Sacrifice money for altar
conversion -- it's much less dangerous.
>
> BTW, this is 1.1.1, and I know you're (exclusively?) a 1.0 player, so that
> might have some bearing on this too.

Indeed I haven't played a newer version than 1.0 (due to the fact that I
haven't played at all since 1.1.0 came out, not due to some sort of
preference), but in my experience the ADOM change log is always detailed
enough to hint at every change that occurred, and I don't see anything
there in this area. Besides, special-casing 7LB would be very odd,
wouldn't it? What would be the reasoning behind that?

Malte

 

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>1) DO NOT sacrifice a creature whose alignment is the same as the PC's or
>the altar's. If you need to take advantage of live sacrifices to increase
>piety, only sacrifice nonaligned monsters on an aligned altar.

Actually, I have a great time saccing neutral creatures on a neutral
altar. Usually turns the altar chaotic.

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frobnoid wrote:

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> I live sacced a goblin, got my stuff zapped, then live sacced a
kobold and
> converted it. I had previously converted a L altar no problem just a
few
> hundred turns before.

I'll echo what others have said, and add that when it comes to
converting altars, I sac four grand in gold. Hasn't failed once, but
perhaps more is required at higher levels...

--T.J.

 

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> I live sacced a goblin, got my stuff zapped, then live sacced a kobold and
> converted it. I had previously converted a L altar no problem just a few
> hundred turns before.

IMO, it is safer to convert altars with bigger monsters - so it may be worth
waiting for an ogre or someting and not saccing the first goblin that you
encounter...

Kosma