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way to much for me for part of a system.
for $1K I could get a new H22 motor for my Honda..
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Exactly, which is why i recommend buying a high end single GPU, and then another when they are cheaper and you need it. Much more cost effective, and better.
 
im living in fuc**** Croatia. Prices on our grounds are roghly 1,5-2x on "normal" countries. and now, i found gtx thats priced around 500$ so i want to buy it, and probably i will. One. and add another in the near future. but first thing first, i will buy HX 1000, and sell my brand new scythe. i cant wait for the 6xxx series, couse it will hit our grounds after new year probably. and the prices in our country will probably be around 50% higher than in others.
 

Which is purely speculation as Bart Pro/XT were also rumored to also have from 1120/1280s shaders and named as HD6750/6770.
 

If TSMC still has problems with 40nm then the GTX 460 would have never existed. If you mean the switch from 32nm to 40nm, that's OLD news.

Remember Digitimes was the source that also said the HD600 launch was pushed back to Novmeber.
 

"As Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company (TSMC) changed the schedule of its new manufacturing process causing AMD's Radeon HD 6000-series to continue adopting its 40nm process, rumors about the new GPU's lower-than-expected performance and launch schedule have been circulating in the IT market, therefore, AMD has decided to officially launch its Radeon HD 6000-series on October 19, a week later than the original schedule of October 12, with the Radeon HD 6870 possibly the first for launch."
 

Thats OLD news.

The original HD6000 (N.I) was planned for 32nm, but since TSMC and Glofo jumped canceled 32nm and jumped directly to 28nm LAST YEAR AMD was forced to stick with 40nm and whip out something new, which became the HD6000 now (S.I).

AMD has re-designated the codenames though so things got pretty fuzzy in that aspect.
 


You honestly think AMD is going backwards? No, its just a rumor of a name change, from a fake chart and site. Lemme put it this way, what we think of as the replacement to 5770, wether its called 6770 or 6870, should come out with about GTX 470 performance, give or take. What we imagine replacing 5870, wether its 6870 or 6970, should be 20-30% above GTX 480. This is all according to rumors and math.
 

The quote he posted didn't say anything about going backwards, it said lower than expected performance, and what math, lol, do you have that shows its going to have gtx 470 performance ?
What its going to have is a new name on the box, AMD video cards, and it will probably be shiny , :)
 


I said probably. And that it was based off math and speculation. If they say close to 5870, and the 470 is close to 5870 performance, how isnt it reasonable to say around 470 performance? They all say above 5850, and i doubt it would go far or at all above 5870, so thats right where the 470 lies.
 
I'm assuming that if the 6870 is only comparable to the 5850, then they must also be producing something a little bit later in the series that will surpass the 5970 and anything else they currently have on the market.
 


You still arent listening to the name changes. Its like a 6770=5850.
 


The 6770 should be comparable to the 5850, of course this is not 100% accurate info but it would be the most logical out of the rumors that we have seen to this date.

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More rumors :

http://vr-zone.com/articles/rumour-amd-radeon-hd-6870-in-november/9930.html

http://vr-zone.com/articles/-rumour-amd-barts-xt-hd-6770-faster-than-hd-5850/9931.html

So IMO the 6870 should be around 20% faster than a 480 while pulling less juice from the PSU which normally equates to a card that will also run cooler.

 



Well lets use some common sense, do you actually think that the 6850 will have 800 SP's (same as the current 5770)?

IMO it would be the largest AMD fail in history if those numbers were legit, not to mention the 6870 having only 960 SP's which of course tells us that it will not stand a chance against the current GTX 480.

 
@ OvrClkr, Its been rumored that the x7xx series will be renamed x8xx and the x8xx x9xx

Also if you payed attention those are BARTS chips which is also another indicator of the renaming scheme as parts is the x7xx of the 6xxx series...

I would wait and see what happens with the latest 6xxx series Release and buy a i7 920 with a good mobo, RoG if possible.
 

Who knows what they did architecturally to the cards, maybe they don't have as many stream processors for the same performance. Nvidia's processors are stronger than AMD's stream processors, which allows them to have 480>1600 in most cases.
We'll just have to wait and see...not too long now, hopefully.
 
ATI and Nvidia have completely different architectures (with the ATI being much more modern - every block of SP units can execute up to 5 independent instructions simultaneously in 1 clock) and IF somebody optimizaed a game for the ATI architecture the result would be the HD 5770 blowing out of the water the GTX 480 (1360 vs 1344.96 GFLOP).




 


I find that chart hard to believe. Think of it this way. Almost all rumors have the 6870 (6970) having 1920 shaders. This makes sense. If 960 Barts shaders beats 1440 Cypress shaders, without much of any other changes, then they are getting 50% more efficient shaders. This makes 1920 Cayman shaders equivalent to an outrageous 2880 Cypress shaders. An increase of 80% over the 5870. Now shaders count doesnt mean everything, but it does represent other things, and an 80% shader increase would net a very large performance increase. Now, what if the 6770 has 1280 shaders like the other rumors say? 13% more efficient shaders. That means 1920 shaders would be like 2160 on Cypress. And guess what that is, a 35% increase. Now, while this math is far from perfect, to sum it up, if they can get 960 Barts shaders to be equivalent to 1440 Cypress shaders (most other components havent changed much anyway) then what do you think they would do with 1920 shaders? It would just be too high if you ask me. 1280 also fits math better. Also, the chart saying 1280 looks more official AMD business. The other one was taken and changed from a german forum saying the 5770 had a 256 bit bus, so theres your accuracy. Seems fan made to me.
 
I find it hard to think that they would put out a 6850 that has less shaders then the 5850 unless they have made drastic improvements to the card overall. As this card is just an upgrade and not a complete overhull then it is unlikely they have achieved this improvement. I would say the chart is likely incorrect or else AMD just made a huge error in judgement.
 
Today's Tom's Hardware article referrs to the Barts chip and the 6870 as mid-range offerings. So it looks like the numbering scheme is different (6850 = 5770, 6870 = 5850); and the new mid-range cards will exceed the performance of the previous high-end 58xx series. The best is yet to come, but you will have to wait until after the launch of the mid-range cards in a couple weeks.
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/gt-430-radeon-hd-northern-islands,11409.html
 


There are a lot of rumors flying around. Tom's very likely doesnt know much more than we do about this. But anyway, this isnt the high end we are all seeing. Thats the best i can put it.
 
[Rant] I hate how manufacturers keep changing their number schemes. Even if they don't change it this time overall it's a pain. You start to understand their number scheme and bam, they change it again. [/Rant]
 
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