jimmysmitty :
@Jack true but the Luxe has 5.25" drives which I see no purpose in for me anymore.
That's fine, but you don't represent the entire PC buying public. Just because you don't use something, doesn't mean there is no market for it or that peeps who choose that option are silly. Hate to go "off topic" with respect to the article and forum thread, but let me stray for a moment and address this position
in the context of your response post.
Many folks, mostly with gaming boxes, would agree with you on the drive bay. But a dual use box might have different needs. MoBos have many features that peeps don't use from Day 1, but sure are nice to have when the need, even an unexpected need arises ... just as you did a year ago. Someone who does video editing for example ... how are they going to get videos of Thanksgiving dinner or the new grandbaby's birth to the Grandma ? .. something that Grandma, who has trouble w/ Facebook, will be able to understand. Where does she keep all these videos on her aging PC with limited storage ? Most common "hard media storage" options are those plastic CD storage drawers or "Album Books".
Then there's those folks who also use thier PC PC to make a living. I have to deliver a "hard copy" electronic sets of AutoCAD drawings for every building we design, both to owner and those agencies having jurisdiction. What about archival storage ? I have 25 years worth of AutoCAD drawings; is there a reason to keep buying HDs just in case there's a need for these to expand or modify the building and i need that set from 1992 ?
Thumb drives are expensive and don't store well in file cabinets.... makes files folders too bumpy. Or those electronic media storage bays that municipal agencies keep. You have to look at it from a standpoint that not everyone is you and customers are best served by having choices and being free to choose something that works best for them.
If one wants to water cool their build, and is wise enough not to install a CLC, they can get by with a 360 All-in-One from Swiftech or EK along with a Seahawk GFX card and cool both CPU and GPU (along with the VRM and memory).
The logic of dismissing a case which can do exactly what you want, and picking one that can't, because it has an option you will rarely use escapes me. Why dismiss the Luxe, which will meet that water cooling goal, because it has an extra feature you don't need ? It's kinda like saying, I want to overclock my CPU but as all Z170 boards support SLI and I don't have a need for SLI, I won't buy Z170.
Dismissing a case out of hand because it has extras you don't need is fine ... for you .. perhaps the aesthetic of looking at it really bothers you. That's fine for "form over function" folks, but while aesthetics are just about always a factor in the builds we have done for folks, form always took a back seat to function. So while you might be willing to give up adding water cooling to that GPU as the price of not having to look at a drive bay you don't need, that doesn't rule out that as a logical choice for everyone else. It's also a non-factor with respect to
the topic since Phanteks provides the Luxe for those who want the option of installing an optical drive and the Evolv for ones that don't. Worth mentioning that they also have a case with a 5.25" bay in the rear for that occasional usage for those that don't want to look at it.
But also, that's not the only purpose of those bays; remember we are talking about water cooling, and in my case, especially folks who forego CLCs. Other uses might include:
a) Installing a 5" LCD panel to monitor temps and other functions.
b) Installing a fan controller / temperature monitor
c) Installing an Aquacomputer Aquero
d) Installing a Bay Reservoir
e) Installing a Card Reader
f) Installing an OC Station
g) Installing a storage module to add additional HDs bays
h) Installing a hot swap storage bay
We **are** talking about fitting a 360 mm radiator right ? Is it completely illogical that a person intending to install a water cooling system w/ a 360mm rad might want to install some of those ? ... especially if they had to remove HD racks to fit water pumps or radiators. We are talking about water cooling and these are by no means unpopular options for water coolers.
I have not opened my Blu-Ray drive in at least a year as most installs are downloads or OS installs are done via USB.
OK, there ya go ... sure came in handy didn't it ? I used mine for the first time outside of work about a few weeks ago. I had to deliver some of those "record electronic documents to various parties so brought a few DVDs with me. But also, I was staying in an old friend / colleague's house. I have been playing an MMO for about 12 years ... since this trip was longer than the usual, I thot I'd bring the game with me. Have two thumb drives but they were full with business stuff I might need.
Copy / pasted the game folder to a DVD and now I can play it anywhere I go, it is "self contained", no installation process required (no registry settings), you can play it right off the DvD if you wanted ... the folder is complete with all my IG customizations, saved files, and 12 years worth of map markers, IG forum posts, recipes, custom apps that I wrote, etc. Could have used a Thumb Drive too ... but I also I have also mailed copies, used them as "stocking stuffers" with a bunch of free games.
End of off topic remarks.
As for the 900D, he said, and I quote "Wow a corsair case that actually supports a 360mm radiator?". While I agree to compare apples to apples to imply that no Corsair case has ever supported a 360mm radiator before this is quite silly.
From my PoV, it's your inference is off the mark. The author, appropriately and logically stayed "on topic" by comparing the subject case with similar cases ... similar in price, similar in size. All my comments where "in the context" of the review, cases with a size and price of the subject case and the cases it was compared with ***in the article**.
If it was a review about a a family van, and I said "Chevy finally has vehicle that has enough acceleration to get on the highway w/o being nervous about getting up to traffic speed and safely merging into traffic", just how many people would come back saying "Chevy has the Corvette ". No people are reading this article to see how it compares with two seater sports cars.
If it was an article about a baseball middle inning relief pitchers on the NY Mets in which the author compared him to two other relief pitchers and I said ... Yeay, The Mets finally have a guy who can get thru more than 2 inning, would you come back rattling off a list of starting pitchers ?
The title of the article is "Corsair Crystal 570X ATX Case Review". Everything in the article falls within the context of that title and all of them are Mid or Full Tower cases. Everything in my response falls within that context. It should "go without saying", that response / comments on the article would fall "in context". The 900D falls into the "Super ATX" category which is clearly not applicable to any other case mentioned in the context of the article.
Within the "context" of the article (the parts of a piece of writing that precede a word or passage contribute to its meaning) .. applicable forum rules and etiquette regarding "staying on topic", it should "go without saying" that the response is intended to be "in context" and "on topic". In addition, I have done builds with the 750D and the 900D and know well what features they have. They simply do not fit within the context of the subject article.
See
http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/goes+without+saying
and
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/context
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