Couple questions regarding a CPU/Mobo swap.

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Coldplasma819

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Hey everyone, I have a couple questions regarding replacing my CPU and motherboard. I built my computer in '11 and since I just got into serious PC gaming then, I received help from my friend when building for the first time. It's been all down-hill from there and I strive to get the best possible gaming experience. With the recent release of Battlefield 4, ive been spending most of my time on that and ive come to realize that my processor just isnt able to put up with the task.

Right now I have the AMD Phenom II X6 1100t ~3.3 Ghz 6 core, with 18 gigs of ram and a EVGA Geforce GTX 760 SC 4gb ram w/ acx cooling, on a MSI 890FXA-GD70. Now two years ago, that processor and mobo were supposedly top notch. (I updated my GPU a couple weeks ago.)

With the current processor, ive tried using the onboard OC genie dial which allows fast OC'ing but it just doesnt seem to be enough. What im asking is, would the switch over to an Intel CPU be worth it? I was thinking about getting an i5 considering the i7's are a little pricey. Ive spent a couple days already on PCPartPicker picking different motherboards and CPU's as possibilities with all my other PC parts plugged in for compatibility purposes.

My other question is, since I have an EVGA Geforce GTX 760, or dedicated graphics card, I presume, do I have to worry about the CPU having integrated graphics or not? Or the motherboard having onboard video? I never really had to deal with this kind of information or possible hardware conflict, so im kind of in the grey.

Right now im looking at these two pieces as possibly purchasing in the near future: Intel Core i5 3570k on a MSI Z77 MPOWER.

Edit: I should mention that I dont want to overclock as I dont want to have to deal with scenarios such as inadequate heating or hardware failure. In this situation, im only overclocking my AMD processor as a last ditch effort to smooth things out, but no dice.
 
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i7 for gaming ? It's an overkill. i7 CPUs are for 3D animation and Video rendering.

Anyway, here's my recommendation NOT FOR OVERCLOCKING

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3470 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($188.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock B75 PRO3-M Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($62.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $251.97
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-11-22 00:20 EST-0500)

You could get the i5-3350p instead. It's cheaper, but doesn't have integrated graphics, but that's not gonna be a problem if you already have a dedicated graphics card
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I never did like overclocking, as I didnt want to deal with the possible complications, plus sometimes it just seems overkill. But since ive tried everything lately trying to get even a steady 50 FPS in the game, Ive resorted to trying for the first time, using the OC dial on the motherboard that supposedly boosts the processor. I havent seen any increase in performance though.

The i5 3570k isnt much more in terms of cost than the i5-3350P. Is there much of a performance difference though?

 
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Thanks for the reply. I dont want to overclock, and im only doing it in this situation to try and squeeze out any possible juice the AMD Phenom has left in providing. Im looking to upgrade to a processor that will give me better performance without having to overclock.

 
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Certainly! That'd be a huge help. When it comes to CPU's im not the greatest. I reside in Binghamton, New York (southern tier). My budget is anywheres between $0-$400 (including the motherboard). According to http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-cpu-review-overclock,3106-6.html, the i5-3570k looks to be the best upgrade/price.

This just occured to me, when swapping the processor and motherboard, will I have to replace the CPU cooler as well? One of my friends mentioned a new heat sink and that ill need the thermal paste, but if I remember correctly that comes with the CPU?
 
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Correct. Its been a while, for some reason when I saw on pcpartpicker that you had to pick a cpu cooler, I forgot that one came with the processor.

So yeah, new motherboard and CPU.

I've been looking over the various Z77 models from ASRock, Asus, and gigabyte. As far as cpu's go, I'm hoping that the i7 drops in price for black Friday? It'd be ideal if it dropped to a $250 range.

 
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Although that is a perfect buy, there are no micro center stores nearby my location. Of course every other place I can buy that i7-4770k from sells them for $319.

Im seriously considering an i7-3770k seeing how on Amazon it is currently 30% off and I can only expect it to drop further down, (hopefully to $240). Ive heard that the 4770k runs a little hotter than the 3770k with only a small jump in performance.
 
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I dont plan to overclock. If I can get can a proper upgrade that will allow me to play the the game relatively well at the base performance it offers, then I will certainly not overclock as it reduces the lifespan of the CPU and just seems hazardous.

Ive also heard that the FX-6300 is having some trouble with BF4. I just figured the i7 was more up-to-date than the i5.
 
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i7 for gaming ? It's an overkill. i7 CPUs are for 3D animation and Video rendering.

Anyway, here's my recommendation NOT FOR OVERCLOCKING

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3470 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($188.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock B75 PRO3-M Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($62.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $251.97
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-11-22 00:20 EST-0500)

You could get the i5-3350p instead. It's cheaper, but doesn't have integrated graphics, but that's not gonna be a problem if you already have a dedicated graphics card
 
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That looks like a good deal! Wouldnt I want to error on the side of too much though? http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/551?vs=702 Id like this new upgrade to hold over for the new games coming out next spring as well like Titanfall, and at least last a couple years.

What do you think of this? http://pcpartpicker.com/p/25Dqz (refer to CPU and motherboard, all other parts are thrown in for compatibility check). Hopefully the price will drop soon.
 
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Yeah. I would just use the out of the box speed the 3770k has, plus it has hyperthreading.

I also feel that I should go a little overkill just to make up for what my gtx760 supposedly lacks seeing how theres a fair amount of performance difference between that and the 770 above. I just bought the 760 a week ago too coming from a 560 Ti thinking it would be a great deal of an upgrade and able to run everything at its best, but I guess I was behind the ball on that and now I hear that it won't be able to. So I figure that a much better cpu could make up for whatever I lost in terms of GPU ability.
 
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Good point, isnt there an i7-3770 too?
 
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I remember looking at this, but im just a little nervous about getting anything less than the 3770 considering the performance variable on that chart features games that are at least a year old. I really want to try to squeeze out whatever I can from Battlefield 4 and 'next-gen' games of 2014. Since I already failed to understand that the GTX 770 is the bare minimum for top gameplay with 'next-gen' games by getting the GTX 760, I cant help but think that a much better CPU would help supplement the lack of the GPU's power by keeping framerate at a steady level, constantly. Would it?

Supposedly the i7 performs better in terms of multiplayer gameplay since it has hyperthreading enabled, where as the i5 does not. I understand the i5 might be all I need, but for how long will that be the case? Im not too knowledgeable on processors but my buddy has speculated that new lineups of processors will be coming out soon, if not after Christmas this year.

Edit: So after doing some research, and per this thread: http://www.tonymacx86.com/general-hardware-discussion/87932-core-i7-3770k-slower-than-i7-3770-a.html, it appears that without overclocking, the i7-3770 outperforms the 3770k. Sure the difference is negligible but the 3770 is a lot cheaper. One thing I am unsure about though is that the analysis done in that thread was on a Mac. Could anyone verify if the analysis carries over to windows as well?
 
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