Question CPU and MB upgrade on a budget?

[mrjdshep]

My present setup: https://valid.x86.fr/yu1aq3 (took out the mixed ram)
Case: Cooler Master Box Lite 5 RGB ATX
CPU: Intel Core i5 9400F
MB: as rock B360M pro4 (only supports 2666 memory speed.)
RAM: total 32 16GB
1st slot XPG ADATA DDR4 3200MHz 8GB
2nd Slot XPG ADATA DDR4 3000MHz 8GB
3rd Slot XPG ADATA DDR4 3200MHz 8GB
4th Slot:Crucial 8GB Single DDR4 2666 MT/s
GPU: Evga FTW3 Ultra 3070Ti
Monitor: Acer 32inch. 144HZ 1440p
PSU: Thermaltake 80 plus (white) 600W.

I use my PC primarily for gaming DAYZ which is CPU intensive. My current setup I get some stutters. The CPU I was considering upgrading to is i5 -12400f ($112) and a motherboard as rock b660m. ($80) I'm open to AMD as well. but I'm a bit a of a frugal dude. and I don't need the latest and greatest tech. Just looking for a decent upgrade to last awhile.

on further research this website says I need at least an i5-13600kf to not be bottlenecked. Is that true?

https://imgur.com/a/6n9BAzP

View: https://imgur.com/a/6n9BAzP

 

[Darkbreeze]

You missed the free 32gb kit with the 5700x3d.

You're right, I did. My bad. But you still didn't include a decent PSU and that Thermaltake white is a piece of trash, and I know this because they never made a White rated PSU that was worth a crap.

 

[Darkbreeze]

You've got some decent options here anyhow.

 

[JohnBonhamsGhost]

I prefer windows 10. But if they are going to stop doing security updates I thought its best we go to 11?

there's really nothing to the security updates that makes switching to 11 worth it in my opinion.

i've tried the update myself and couldn't stand all of the built-in features and crap running in the background.
have installed for quite a few people that also wanted to switch back to 10.

even after the Windows Update provided security updates stop, you can always just use a free version of Malwarebytes or a cheap paid alternative.
or just outright avoid any shady sites and/or downloads that may contain malware.

 

[Darkbreeze]

there's really nothing to the security updates that makes switching to 11 worth it in my opinion.

Sorry, but this is nonsense. Complete BS. EVERYTHING about being current on security updates and patches is important. To say otherwise seems purely irresponsible IMO.

I'm running Windows 11 on all my applicable machines, of which there are five, two of which barely made the grade in terms of the upgrade requirements, and I've had zero issues with any of them. None. Nada. Malwarebytes and other antivirus/antimalware programs are NOT "security updates". They aren't even remotely close to the same thing. They are entirely, ENTIRELY, different things. I shouldn't need to explain this to any veteran member of this forum as you are.

You are certainly entitled to your own opinion and to do as you wish with your own machine but in my opinion, and I know, in the opinion of a lot of other extremely knowledgeable long time members here both on the moderation team and otherwise, making these kinds of recommendations to others who may not know better is extremely borderline as a violation of the terms and guidelines of this forum. It's not over the line, but it's damn close, and is incredibly ill considered.

Besides which, there are many other reasons that make it wise to get off an OS whose writing is on the wall, such as the fact that a lot of hardware manufacturers just plain entirely stop providing drivers for Windows versions that are EOL as soon as they become end of life. As well, as we've seen recently, many game loaders, games, software manufacturers and browsers will simply stop supporting EOL versions in due course.

And as far as "built in features and crap running in the background", that's been every version of Windows and every Windows release people have said the same things. The fact is, I've clearly noted a DECREASE in the use of system resources after switching to Windows 11 on the exact same machines that previously had Windows 10 installed on them. Additionally, if you don't like the look or shell behavior of Windows 11 you can easily change it to a more familiar look and feel for anything from classic older Windows versions, to Windows 7, 8.1 or 10 using a shell modifier like Open Shell or Start is back. Windows 11 also has moderately better scheduling which helps improve performance especially on some newer architectures.

I'm definitely not saying there is anything "wrong" with using Windows 10, if you choose to, but that needs to be an individual choice and an informed one and you can't make an informed choice if you're getting poor advice. As well, if you're running older hardware that barely makes the cut, then for now it might make sense to stay on 10 but personally I feel since it's going away before long anyhow it seems like a better idea, at minimum, for the future, if nothing else, to take advantage of the ability to gain that Windows 11 license for free now because you're GOING to need it later at some point and like they've done recently with the free update from 7 and 8.1, it's not going to last forever. Wait to long and you'll be forced off 10 anyhow and then you'll have to pay for a license.

 

[JohnBonhamsGhost]

EVERYTHING about being current on security updates and patches is important.

Malwarebytes and other antivirus/antimalware programs are NOT "security updates". They aren't even remotely close to the same thing. They are entirely, ENTIRELY, different things. I shouldn't need to explain this to any veteran member of this forum as you are.

and unless some malware is introduced into the scene that bypasses current Windows 10 security then there is no issue.
only paranoid users that fall for MS garbage to convince others to move on to Windows 11 ad-incorporated bs.

and "patches"? if it hasn't been incorporated by now, it isn't necessary for this range of hardware that is currently available to us.
if you're moving on to later hardware that isn't still supported, then you may actually have a legitimate reason to move on to 11.

just as i stayed with Windows 7 as long as possible for it's better attributes,
i will be doing the same for 10.
and when the time comes that moving on is necessary, it's possible i may.
but, by then Linux offerings will be an even better option for those of us tired of what MS brings to the table.

as far as "built in features and crap running in the background", that's been every version of Windows and every Windows release people have said the same things.
...I've clearly noted a DECREASE in the use of system resources after switching to Windows 11 on the exact same machines that previously had Windows 10 installed

if you disagree / haven't seen it & don't see it, you obviously don't pay much attention to what is going on in the background then.

Windows tasks/services in 10 maxes out with less than 1.5% average overall system usage.
on the same systems in 11, onto 5+% with their incorporated news/interests crap and other interloping.

I shouldn't need to explain this to any veteran member of this forum as you are.

nothing you need to explain.
but by your arrogant & aggravated response here, it appears there's still plenty you could use some explanation into.

 

[Darkbreeze]

Again, there are MANY types of security risks and issues that have nothing whatsoever to do with malware or viruses. And the types of utilities you are talking about have zero ability to do anything about those kinds of vulnerabilities. Since clearly you wish to tin foil hat this discussion, I will leave off as I have no desire to be apart of that type of conversation. Suffice to say, there are far more experienced users and members who don't agree with your assessment than there are those who do, but again, to each their own. You are certainly welcome to do whatever you like with your own system as is everybody else. Freedom of choice is still a thing, so far. No worries.

As far as me not knowing what's going on in the background, or with system resources, or in any aspect, on any system I work on. LOL. Sure. I'm not even going to touch that because it's simply not worth pursuing. You have a good night Ghost.

 

[mrjdshep]

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/mrjdshep/saved/#view=ZV6smG
AMD Ryzen 5 7500F 3.7 GHz 6-Core Processor -------------------------------------------------$120.00
Thermalright Assassin X 120 Refined SE 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler ----------------------------$17.89
ASRock B650M-HDV/M.2 Micro ATX AMS Motherboard -------------------------------------$99.99
Silicon Power Value Gaming 32 GB (2 x 16 6B) DDR5-6000 CL 30 Memory ----------------$82.79
Corsair RM750x (2021) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply --- $79.99
-total: $400
I think I'll go with these upgrades. With AM5 I should be able to have some upgrade room in the future If I want to. do you see any problem with this? It should be a 40% improvement just on the CPU single core according to https://valid.x86.fr/bench/1

 

[Darkbreeze]

It's about a 36% single core improvement and more like a 64% improvement in anything that has well optimized support for multithreaded operations.

If you're going with Ryzen though, I'd definitely skip the Silicon Power memory kit. I would also highly recommend you avoid any of the Corsair Vengeance kits. Ryzen platforms are very particular about what memory they like to play nice with so you want to make absolutely certain the memory kit you use with any Ryzen configuration has been validated either on the motherboard QVL list or on the memory manufacturer's website and to this day about the only memory manufacturers that have very good, and trustworthy memory compatibility lists by board model are G.Skill, Corsair and Crucial. And personally, I really believe G.Skill to be superior to any other memory brand in any given price segment. Plus, they have literally had far better platform compatibility on a lot more of their memory kits as well as producing kits that are specifically designed for Ryzen systems.

Other memory can and sometimes does work, but without putting in a little work to verify that a given kit has been 100% validated, and not just at default configuration settings but at full XMP or Expo settings, you're rolling the dice no matter what brand or memory kit you go with.

Also, I'd HIGHLY advise you to avoid the ASRock HDV boards. They are bottom of the barrel motherboards and I see nothing but problems with them especially when used for gaming systems, or anything more than simple mom and pop internet browsing machines or light office duty. The rest looks ok.

 

[mrjdshep]

It's about a 36% single core improvement and more like a 64% improvement in anything that has well optimized support for multithreaded operations.

If you're going with Ryzen though, I'd definitely skip the Silicon Power memory kit. I would also highly recommend you avoid any of the Corsair Vengeance kits. Ryzen platforms are very particular about what memory they like to play nice with so you want to make absolutely certain the memory kit you use with any Ryzen configuration has been validated either on the motherboard QVL list or on the memory manufacturer's website and to this day about the only memory manufacturers that have very good, and trustworthy memory compatibility lists by board model are G.Skill, Corsair and Crucial. And personally, I really believe G.Skill to be superior to any other memory brand in any given price segment. Plus, they have literally had far better platform compatibility on a lot more of their memory kits as well as producing kits that are specifically designed for Ryzen systems.

Okay, thank you. I’ll make sure to look up the supported Ram. What is the best timing? Or does that matter? On your recommendation you had the ripjaws CL36.

Other memory can and sometimes does work, but without putting in a little work to verify that a given kit has been 100% validated, and not just at default configuration settings but at full XMP or Expo settings, you're rolling the dice no matter what brand or memory kit you go with.

Also, I'd HIGHLY advise you to avoid the ASRock HDV boards. They are bottom of the barrel motherboards and I see nothing but problems with them especially when used for gaming systems, or anything more than simple mom and pop internet browsing machines or light office duty. The rest looks ok.

what would you recommend ?
AsRock B650M Pro RS (WiFi)

AsRock A620i Lighting WiFi?

AsRock B650 Steel Legend WiFi

 

[Darkbreeze]

Well, the A620i is a mini ITX board, so you don't likely want that. The B650 Steel legend is a decent offering from the lower mid tier class. Board families that I usually like to recommend because they are decent unless somebody absolutely has to go as cheap as possible include (Regardless, mostly, of chipset) or want something better include the Gigabyte Aorus Elite series (Which used to, at one time, be known basically as the Gaming 5 and Gaming 7 boards), The ASRock Pro4 and Steel legend series, the MSI gaming plus and Tomahawk (Although the Tomahawk boards have gotten a little further out of range on affordability than they used to be) and the ASUS TUF series (Some of them at least). Some of the ASUS Prime boards are ok budget offerings as well. Really though, what you want to do is find a few boards within your price range and then find professional reviews on sites like Tom's, Techpowerup, Techspot, Tweaktown, GamersNexus, Overclockers, etc. to see which of them is actually worth the investment or has the features you desire.

 

[mrjdshep]

Well, the A620i is a mini ITX board, so you don't likely want that. The B650 Steel legend is a decent offering from the lower mid tier class. Board families that I usually like to recommend because they are decent unless somebody absolutely has to go as cheap as possible include (Regardless, mostly, of chipset) or want something better include the Gigabyte Aorus Elite series (Which used to, at one time, be known basically as the Gaming 5 and Gaming 7 boards), The ASRock Pro4 and Steel legend series, the MSI gaming plus and Tomahawk (Although the Tomahawk boards have gotten a little further out of range on affordability than they used to be) and the ASUS TUF series (Some of them at least). Some of the ASUS Prime boards are ok budget offerings as well. Really though, what you want to do is find a few boards within your price range and then find professional reviews on sites like Tom's, Techpowerup, Techspot, Tweaktown, GamersNexus, Overclockers, etc. to see which of them is actually worth the investment or has the features you desire.

		I want	micro ATX
brand	model	price		Power Phase			1 hour cinebench
asrock	B650M hdv	$110		8+2+1	50 amps	4 layer PCB	84C
asrock	B650M pro rs	$135		8+2+1	50 amps	6 layer PCB	87C
asrock	B650M riptide	$160	no wifi	12+2+1	50 amps	6 layer PCB	79C
MSI	Mag B650M mortor	$160		12+2+1	80 amps	6 layer PCB	71C

I can't decide, I like ASrock. but the specs on the misi look great. people say the msi has poor software.