[SOLVED] Cpu choice

[George_229]

Hello everyone.
As of yesterday evening, my motherboard VRM section fried. I will be taking the computer to the repair shop to ensure from pros that it is the motherboard at fault and not say psu, just in case, or gpu.
In lieu with that, unless it is easily fixable, I am thinking about getting a new mobo and a cpu. What should I go for?

My current specs are:

Intel i5 7500
Gtx 1070 seahawk
H110m-C motherboard
2 sticks of ddr4 2133 mhz Ripjsaw memory
Evga 750w platinum psu
Barracuda 1TB hdd
Kingston 250gb sad.
Samsung 840 Evo 500 GB Ssd.

Thoughts?

 

[Exit 119]

I just checked it out! It looks great and promising. I can get a b550 Tomahawk motherboard with a ryzen 7 3800x bundle. It's in stores at the moment for 700 cad. I can even get ram sticks and a new case ^_^)b

You could have said you wanted an entire system instead of a "new mobo and a cpu" in the first place. /po

 

[madmatt30]

Better with a 3700x and an aftermarket cooler than a 3800x imo.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor ($419.99 @ Amazon Canada)
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Macho Rev.B 73.6 CFM CPU Cooler ($107.48 @ Amazon Canada)
Motherboard: MSI MPG B550 GAMING PLUS ATX AM4 Motherboard ($193.84 @ Amazon Canada)
Memory: G.Skill Flare X 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory ($149.99 @ Amazon Canada)
Total: $871.30
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-08-19 03:36 EDT-0400

 

[Darkbreeze]

You could have said you wanted an entire system instead of a "new mobo and a cpu" in the first place. /po

You could be more polite, or end up getting swatted for acting the fool.

 

[Darkbreeze]

Better with a 3700x and an aftermarket cooler than a 3800x imo.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor ($419.99 @ Amazon Canada)
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Macho Rev.B 73.6 CFM CPU Cooler ($107.48 @ Amazon Canada)
Motherboard: MSI MPG B550 GAMING PLUS ATX AM4 Motherboard ($193.84 @ Amazon Canada)
Memory: G.Skill Flare X 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory ($149.99 @ Amazon Canada)
Total: $871.30
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-08-19 03:36 EDT-0400

He already has a liquid cooler. If it doesn't already have the AM4 adapters, I'm sure he can get them easily.

 

[madmatt30]

He already has a liquid cooler. If it doesn't already have the AM4 adapters, I'm sure he can get them easily.

I'm under the impression he has a stock intel cpu cooler, the pump comment refers to the seahawk aio cooled model gpu he has?

 

[Darkbreeze]

I just checked it out! It looks great and promising. I can get a b550 Tomahawk motherboard with a ryzen 7 3800x bundle. It's in stores at the moment for 700 cad. I can even get ram sticks and a new case ^_^)b

Not a very good deal really when the 3700x is only 100mhz slower than the 3800x, and the B550 Tomahawk really doesn't offer anything that makes it worth the extra money. I'd rather have the Gaming Pro Carbon Max myself. It has a better VRM configuration from what I can see, costs less and can handle any Ryzen CPU up to the 3950x with no problems. But it's your money.

 

[George_229]

I'm under the impression he has a stock intel cpu cooler, the pump comment refers to the seahawk aio cooled model gpu he has?

Yes. I have a stock intel cooler currently. I do have a liquid cooler h50i but I could never fit it in the case.

 

[Darkbreeze]

I'm under the impression he has a stock intel cpu cooler, the pump comment refers to the seahawk aio cooled model gpu he has?

I don't think so. He specifically says "GPU fan below GPU" which tells me the graphics card is air cooled and the CPU is water cooled. I might be wrong, so he should clarify.

 

[Darkbreeze]

Ok, so do you prefer to go with an air cooler or a water cooler? Personally, I prefer a good air cooler myself, and they tend to be quieter overall. So, your graphics card is water cooled then? That Meshify S2 would be perfect then, as you could run both AIO coolers in that case with no problem.

 

[George_229]

Thanks for all the replies! I'll try and get all the parts by Sept 11. I might get a cheap temporary motherboard till then as exit 119 suggested. I am pretty busy with work and wont be able to go out and buy any parts for at least another few weeks.

 

[madmatt30]

So what we infact have is a 120mm aio cooled gpu AND possibly a 120mm aio cooled cpu if you use the h50i??

The h50i is still going to be on the edge for max boost speeds on any of the gen 2 ryzen 7's, I would absolutely save $50 with the 3700x, the 3800x just isn't worth the extra outlay at all, it's tantamount to comparing the 8320 vs the 8350 from the old amd fx days.

Re case, the s2 is lovely, ypu could save money with the meshify c which is also fine for adding 2 x 120mm aio units in the front as intakes (absolutely recommended in that scenario imo)

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product...-c-tg-atx-mid-tower-case-fd-ca-mesh-c-bko-tgl

 

[Karadjgne]

3800x is nothing more than a 3700x with boosted internal voltages to gain it an extra 100MHz boost, maybe. Otherwise same cpu. You'd be far better off cooling a 65w cpu than a 105w cpu. Same performance and costs more isn't value for $.

Op has a msi gtx1070 Seahawk. That's a hybrid blower gpu with an aio attached so has both blower fan and aio fan. It's short tubed, so gpu aio will replace the rear exhaust. Any other cooling will only be done by front /top.

I'd not go with the Meshify-C and another aio. An aircooler like a scythe Mugen 5 rev.b or a beQuiet Darkrock TF would work very well in a Meshify-C or S2. The Shadow Rock TF isn't all that good, but the Darkrock version Is very good, getting results equitable (if not beating) a Noctua NH-D15 at a 3700x output range. Being downdraft style like the stock cooler, it has the same VRM and voltage regulatory circuitry bonus cooling which works well with a meshify 3-1 fan setup. It'll also fit easily in either case. The Mugen will be the better option for the S2's more limited airflow.

 

[madmatt30]

3800x is nothing more than a 3700x with boosted internal voltages to gain it an extra 100MHz boost, maybe. Otherwise same cpu. You'd be far better off cooling a 65w cpu than a 105w cpu. Same performance and costs more isn't value for $.

Op has a msi gtx1070 Seahawk. That's a hybrid blower gpu with an aio attached so has both blower fan and aio fan. It's short tubed, so gpu aio will replace the rear exhaust. Any other cooling will only be done by front /top.

I'd not go with the Meshify-C and another aio. An aircooler like a scythe Mugen 5 rev.b or a beQuiet Darkrock TF would work very well in a Meshify-C or S2.

I agree but he already owns a bnib h50i which he's never used, I'm not a fan of 120mm aio's either but if he's already got it it's better than the wraith prism.

Personally I'd be inclined to sell it and go with a decent 140mm tower too.

 

[Darkbreeze]

I agree but he already owns a bnib h50i which he's never used, I'm not a fan of 120mm aio's either but if he's already got it it's better than the wraith prism.

Personally I'd be inclined to sell it and go with a decent 140mm tower too.

Exactly. That would be my preference, but, I would not be against a 240 or 280mm AIO for the CPU either. I don't think anything smaller is really suitable or a good idea.

 

[Karadjgne]

I ran a i5-3570k oc'd for years on a H55, great results from that thin 120mm AIO. Unfortunately even the 65w cpus really aren't 65w anymore and very few are opting for the performance of the R3/i3 with today's gamer needs for fps.

So it's really hard to recommend a 120mm AIO unless it is in a more specialized build like mITX etc where a decent air tower just doesn't fit.

Most atx/mATX nowadays have no issues with a 240mm AIO, which is equitable performance to the largest air coolers, so that becomes a no-brainer easy recommended cooler for not much more than the price of a 120mm.

Just got to get past the irrational fear of the pc blowing up because their friend said he read that all aios leak and are a hundred times noisier than an aircooler.

 

[Darkbreeze]

Well, I'm pretty sure those things are true. 🙄

 

[George_229]

I ran a i5-3570k oc'd for years on a H55, great results from that thin 120mm AIO. Unfortunately even the 65w cpus really aren't 65w anymore and very few are opting for the performance of the R3/i3 with today's gamer needs for fps.

So it's really hard to recommend a 120mm AIO unless it is in a more specialized build like mITX etc where a decent air tower just doesn't fit.

Most atx/mATX nowadays have no issues with a 240mm AIO, which is equitable performance to the largest air coolers, so that becomes a no-brainer easy recommended cooler for not much more than the price of a 120mm.

Just got to get past the irrational fear of the pc blowing up because their friend said he read that all aios leak and are a hundred times noisier than an aircooler.

I can hang on to the unused liquid cooler. I can also go over the budget and get all the necessary components provided that the motherboard and cpu are in range between 500-900 cad. The recommended ryzen and the b450 motherboard seem to do that. If 3800x isn't any better than 3700 and the deal I mentioned doesn't seem quite right, I can get the 3700x without a hitch. I am not that good ad identifying which component is better than the other in the new ryzen series as I inly have had two systems to ever do any benchmarking on from prior knowledge.

You are correct that the seahawk gtz 1070 is acting as a back panel exhaust as it is in the current computer case. The reason the other liquid cooler was not used is due to lack of space and inability to comprehend where to put it on... since it seems like it would need to go in the back too which is well... I couldn't fit it in.

So, what do?

 

[Darkbreeze]

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor ($418.61 @ Amazon Canada)
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Macho Rev.B 73.6 CFM CPU Cooler ($106.96 @ Amazon Canada)
Motherboard: MSI B450 Gaming Plus MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard ($148.50 @ Vuugo)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory ($133.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Case: Fractal Design Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case ($134.50 @ Vuugo)
Total: $942.56
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-08-20 13:27 EDT-0400

 

[George_229]

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor ($418.61 @ Amazon Canada)
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Macho Rev.B 73.6 CFM CPU Cooler ($106.96 @ Amazon Canada)
Motherboard: MSI B450 Gaming Plus MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard ($148.50 @ Vuugo)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory ($133.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Case: Fractal Design Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case ($134.50 @ Vuugo)
Total: $942.56
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-08-20 13:27 EDT-0400

Thanks! I'll check it out!

 

[Darkbreeze]

If you NEED to, you can ONLY get the CPU, motherboard and memory for now, and use the stock cooler that comes with the CPU until you can get the new case and CPU cooler, but it WILL be noisy, annoying and it will NOT show you the full boost performance that you would be likely to see with better cooling. It would also probably be a good idea (IF and WHEN you do get this particular case, if you do. Honestly, I only picked the Meshify C because it is still a good case and is less expensive. The Meshify S2 is a much better case with significantly more room to work with.) to move the rear exhaust fan that comes with that case to the top rear location, as another exhaust along with the AIO cooler for your graphics card which I would assume you will be using in the rear exhaust fan location AND to then either get and install two good 140mm fans in front as intakes, or another 120mm to supplement the one that comes preinstalled with the case. Two 140mm fans will be quieter and move more air overall, but I'll leave the fan arrangement up to you.

 

[RandomGamer1235]

what is your budget, and what are you planning on doing with the computer? editing, 3D modeling, gaming?

 

[Darkbreeze]

what is your budget, and what are you planning on doing with the computer? editing, 3D modeling, gaming?

If you bothered to read the thread in it's entirety, you would already know the answer to these questions. Reading the thread content is considered to be compulsory here, not elective, before posting to a thread. Makes life easier on everybody. Thanks.

 

[Karadjgne]

Now now DB, lol. Not everybody benefited from sitting in the corner with the big cone shaped hat. Some ppl actually did just sit there quietly staring at the wall. 👀

 

[Darkbreeze]

It's a pet peeve. If you have something to offer, that's great, we want to hear it, if it's sensible anyhow, but please, do yourself AND us the favor of at least reading the whole thread so that when you DO offer suggestions or ask questions you are up to speed on what is going on and nobody gets their time wasted or their feelings hurt.

 

[theonerm2]

I just wanted to say that taking the PC to a computer repair technician can be very hit or miss. Not all of them know what they are doing but all of them will at the very least pretend like they are right even when they might be wrong. It would probably be better to take the PC to a friend who is knowledgeable about computers. If you have a friend like that.

I'll give my breakdown of what I think the problem could be. The motherboard is of low quality so it is very possible that it has failed. Usually the weakest link is the first to break in a chain. That power supply would probably be OK. Though I can't say for sure I believe the power supply isn't the problem unless it's old. If it's old I'd replace it. An old PSU is more than 5 years old or no longer in warranty. You never want to use a power supply to failure though. Ryzen 7 3700x and a B550 is fine. Would be a fine upgrade. I believe that would fix your problem. Just be aware if it is the PSU it could ruin your new system. Though I wouldn't worry so much about that being the case. Often power supplies just simply no longer work if they fail. That's not always true but often times it is. Really even a B450 motherboard is OK but don't skimp on the motherboard if you don't have to. B550 or X570 is really what I recommend. Don't skimp, don't go overboard, just get what you need.