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Archived from groups: alt.sys.pc-clone.dell (More info?)

Might somebody know if I can reuse the CPU heatsink and fan from Dell
Dimension 4550 on another ATX MoBo?

Thanks!
 
Archived from groups: alt.sys.pc-clone.dell (More info?)

Not on a standard board with a standard retention bracket, no - the heatsink
is nonstandard.



"Mals" <mxsimx20x20@yaxhoxo.cox> wrote in message
news:sL-dnZSjGqUi_mTd4p2dnA@comcast.com...
> Might somebody know if I can reuse the CPU heatsink and fan from Dell
> Dimension 4550 on another ATX MoBo?
>
> Thanks!
>
>
 
Archived from groups: alt.sys.pc-clone.dell (More info?)

Would you be able to advise what heatsink and fan I should buy then?

I was hoping that the heatsink is standard with 2.53 GHz P4.

"Edward J. Neth" <ejn63@netscape.com> wrote in message
news:CTdKc.90$dM2.67@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com...
> Not on a standard board with a standard retention bracket, no - the
heatsink
> is nonstandard.
>
>
>
> "Mals" <mxsimx20x20@yaxhoxo.cox> wrote in message
> news:sL-dnZSjGqUi_mTd4p2dnA@comcast.com...
> > Might somebody know if I can reuse the CPU heatsink and fan from Dell
> > Dimension 4550 on another ATX MoBo?
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> >
>
>
 
Archived from groups: alt.sys.pc-clone.dell (More info?)

Should have also asked with the earlier question:

Is the CPU fan also unlikely to be usable in say, an Antec BQE case?
 
Archived from groups: alt.sys.pc-clone.dell (More info?)

You're probably referring to the fan mounted on the case, which is a case
fan, not a CPU fan.
The heatsink itself is what's proprietary to Dell.



"Mals" <mxsimx20x20@yaxhoxo.cox> wrote in message
news:T4mdnT1ifN979mTdRVn-sQ@comcast.com...
> Should have also asked with the earlier question:
>
> Is the CPU fan also unlikely to be usable in say, an Antec BQE case?
>
>
 
Archived from groups: alt.sys.pc-clone.dell (More info?)

Well there is a heatsink (aluminium sort of device) and then there is a fan
mounted on top of the heat sink.
May be the fan is a case fan, but it seems like a fan seated on top of the
heatsink and I am not sure if it is a case fan.

Let me ask this way -- is there a separate CPU fan and case fan?
If not perhaps I am referring to the case fan.

Thanks!


"Edward J. Neth" <ejn63@netscape.com> wrote in message
news:cGeKc.988$vN1.751@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com...
> You're probably referring to the fan mounted on the case, which is a case
> fan, not a CPU fan.
> The heatsink itself is what's proprietary to Dell.
>
 
Archived from groups: alt.sys.pc-clone.dell (More info?)

There are separate heatsink-fan and case fans on some models, yes.

The heatsink is nonstandard, as mentioned before - it won't fit a standard
retention mechanism.
Your best bet is to replace the heatsink-fan with a standard model for an
aftermarket board.



"Mals" <mxsimx20x20@yaxhoxo.cox> wrote in message
news:trGdnV5EaIMs5WTdRVn-hw@comcast.com...
> Well there is a heatsink (aluminium sort of device) and then there is a
fan
> mounted on top of the heat sink.
> May be the fan is a case fan, but it seems like a fan seated on top of the
> heatsink and I am not sure if it is a case fan.
>
> Let me ask this way -- is there a separate CPU fan and case fan?
> If not perhaps I am referring to the case fan.
>
> Thanks!
>
>
> "Edward J. Neth" <ejn63@netscape.com> wrote in message
> news:cGeKc.988$vN1.751@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com...
> > You're probably referring to the fan mounted on the case, which is a
case
> > fan, not a CPU fan.
> > The heatsink itself is what's proprietary to Dell.
> >
>
>
 
Archived from groups: alt.sys.pc-clone.dell (More info?)

To rephrase what was stated in other responses: The CPU heat sink/fan is
matched with the retention mechanism on the motherboard. Dell's heat sink/fan
and retention mechanism differ from the standard one promulgated by Intel.

If you wanted to make yourself a lot of hard work, you could gently(!) remove
the retention mechanism from the 4550 motherboard and POSSIBLY use it along with
the Dell CPU heat sink/fan on another motherboard. I say "POSSIBLY" because
many motherboards (including some of Dell's) are manufactured with tiny
clearances between on-board components (e.g. capacitors) and the CPU area.

Frankly, it is a time-consuming and daunting and maybe impossible job to attempt
to use standard heat sink/fan and retention mechanism on a Dell or IBM
motherboard, or vice versa... Ben Myers

On Sat, 17 Jul 2004 13:32:56 -0400, "Mals" <mxsimx20x20@yaxhoxo.cox> wrote:

>Might somebody know if I can reuse the CPU heatsink and fan from Dell
>Dimension 4550 on another ATX MoBo?
>
>Thanks!
>
>
 
Archived from groups: alt.sys.pc-clone.dell (More info?)

Thank you for the detailed information.

It looks like then that I have to increase my budget further 🙁.
Not only a MoBo and case, but also heat sink and fan. Cool.

Would you have any advice as to what heatsink and fan I could go for?

I am planning to get this Mobo --
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=11-129-148&depa=1

Thanks.

<ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers)> wrote in message
news:40f97cab.18066612@news.charter.net...
> To rephrase what was stated in other responses: The CPU heat sink/fan is
> matched with the retention mechanism on the motherboard. Dell's heat
sink/fan
> and retention mechanism differ from the standard one promulgated by Intel.
>
> If you wanted to make yourself a lot of hard work, you could gently(!)
remove
> the retention mechanism from the 4550 motherboard and POSSIBLY use it
along with
> the Dell CPU heat sink/fan on another motherboard. I say "POSSIBLY"
because
> many motherboards (including some of Dell's) are manufactured with tiny
> clearances between on-board components (e.g. capacitors) and the CPU area.
>
> Frankly, it is a time-consuming and daunting and maybe impossible job to
attempt
> to use standard heat sink/fan and retention mechanism on a Dell or IBM
> motherboard, or vice versa... Ben Myers
>
> On Sat, 17 Jul 2004 13:32:56 -0400, "Mals" <mxsimx20x20@yaxhoxo.cox>
wrote:
>
> >Might somebody know if I can reuse the CPU heatsink and fan from Dell
> >Dimension 4550 on another ATX MoBo?
> >
> >Thanks!
> >
> >
>
 
Archived from groups: alt.sys.pc-clone.dell (More info?)

That's a case, not a mainboard. Your choice of heatsink is dictated by
processor, speed, and budget.
The low-end heatsinks ($10-15) use cheap fans and are often noisy. The
higher-end ones ($20+) are usually quieter, if that's a consideration.

If you are rebuilding a Dell system on a new board, you should know that
your copy of Windows will not install without activation - which Microsoft
may deny. It is tied to the Dell BIOS, and if Microsoft denies activation,
you'll need to budget for a retail copy of XP.



"Mals" <mxsimx20x20@yaxhoxo.cox> wrote in message
news:HOmdneS2U4yuHGTdRVn-hg@comcast.com...
> Thank you for the detailed information.
>
> It looks like then that I have to increase my budget further 🙁.
> Not only a MoBo and case, but also heat sink and fan. Cool.
>
> Would you have any advice as to what heatsink and fan I could go for?
>
> I am planning to get this Mobo --
>
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=11-129-148&depa=1
>
> Thanks.
>
> <ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers)> wrote in message
> news:40f97cab.18066612@news.charter.net...
> > To rephrase what was stated in other responses: The CPU heat sink/fan
is
> > matched with the retention mechanism on the motherboard. Dell's heat
> sink/fan
> > and retention mechanism differ from the standard one promulgated by
Intel.
> >
> > If you wanted to make yourself a lot of hard work, you could gently(!)
> remove
> > the retention mechanism from the 4550 motherboard and POSSIBLY use it
> along with
> > the Dell CPU heat sink/fan on another motherboard. I say "POSSIBLY"
> because
> > many motherboards (including some of Dell's) are manufactured with tiny
> > clearances between on-board components (e.g. capacitors) and the CPU
area.
> >
> > Frankly, it is a time-consuming and daunting and maybe impossible job to
> attempt
> > to use standard heat sink/fan and retention mechanism on a Dell or IBM
> > motherboard, or vice versa... Ben Myers
> >
> > On Sat, 17 Jul 2004 13:32:56 -0400, "Mals" <mxsimx20x20@yaxhoxo.cox>
> wrote:
> >
> > >Might somebody know if I can reuse the CPU heatsink and fan from Dell
> > >Dimension 4550 on another ATX MoBo?
> > >
> > >Thanks!
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
 
Archived from groups: alt.sys.pc-clone.dell (More info?)

This is the MoBo I am considering. Sorry about the wrong link.
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=13-131-151&depa=1

After a recent thunderstorm and my Dell m/c stopped working.
Since I do not know which components have gone bad I am planning on getting
a case and a MoBo.
The Windows Xp issue I had not thought of. Thanks for alerting me.

I am planning on using my existing CPU. It is a 2.53 GHz P4, provided it is
working.


"Edward J. Neth" <ejn63@netscape.com> wrote in message
news:2lteajFgpcqrU1@uni-berlin.de...
> That's a case, not a mainboard. Your choice of heatsink is dictated by
> processor, speed, and budget.
> The low-end heatsinks ($10-15) use cheap fans and are often noisy. The
> higher-end ones ($20+) are usually quieter, if that's a consideration.
>
> If you are rebuilding a Dell system on a new board, you should know that
> your copy of Windows will not install without activation - which
Microsoft
> may deny. It is tied to the Dell BIOS, and if Microsoft denies
activation,
> you'll need to budget for a retail copy of XP.
 
Archived from groups: alt.sys.pc-clone.dell (More info?)

Check your homeowner's insurance policy to find out whether or not electrical
damage to home appliances is insured... Ben Myers

On Sat, 17 Jul 2004 16:45:19 -0400, "Mals" <mxsimx20x20@yaxhoxo.cox> wrote:

>This is the MoBo I am considering. Sorry about the wrong link.
>http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=13-131-151&depa=1
>
>After a recent thunderstorm and my Dell m/c stopped working.
>Since I do not know which components have gone bad I am planning on getting
>a case and a MoBo.
>The Windows Xp issue I had not thought of. Thanks for alerting me.
>
>I am planning on using my existing CPU. It is a 2.53 GHz P4, provided it is
>working.
>
>
>"Edward J. Neth" <ejn63@netscape.com> wrote in message
>news:2lteajFgpcqrU1@uni-berlin.de...
>> That's a case, not a mainboard. Your choice of heatsink is dictated by
>> processor, speed, and budget.
>> The low-end heatsinks ($10-15) use cheap fans and are often noisy. The
>> higher-end ones ($20+) are usually quieter, if that's a consideration.
>>
>> If you are rebuilding a Dell system on a new board, you should know that
>> your copy of Windows will not install without activation - which
>Microsoft
>> may deny. It is tied to the Dell BIOS, and if Microsoft denies
>activation,
>> you'll need to budget for a retail copy of XP.
>
>
 
Archived from groups: alt.sys.pc-clone.dell (More info?)

As a point of information, the Dell restore CD appears to be a normal copy of
Wondows XP (for the Dimension 2400 anyway), but the COA on the side of the Dell
case is definitely already tied to a Dell system. If you use the COA from the
Dell case, Microsoft may get very fussy about activiating it with a new
motherboard. My guess is that you would have to call Micro$oft's product
activation phone number, then plead and whine with the
non-native-English-speaking person on the phone to get the copy of XP
reactivated. And you ARE telling them the exact truth about what happened, that
you had to replace a blown Dell mobo and that you could not get a replacement
with a Dell BIOS, so they should honor the second activation.

Or... you get lucky and the on-line activation works just fine. You never know.

.... Ben Myers

On Sat, 17 Jul 2004 15:51:47 -0400, "Edward J. Neth" <ejn63@netscape.com> wrote:

>That's a case, not a mainboard. Your choice of heatsink is dictated by
>processor, speed, and budget.
>The low-end heatsinks ($10-15) use cheap fans and are often noisy. The
>higher-end ones ($20+) are usually quieter, if that's a consideration.
>
>If you are rebuilding a Dell system on a new board, you should know that
>your copy of Windows will not install without activation - which Microsoft
>may deny. It is tied to the Dell BIOS, and if Microsoft denies activation,
>you'll need to budget for a retail copy of XP.
>
>
>
<SNIP>
 
Archived from groups: alt.sys.pc-clone.dell (More info?)

Thanks! I will simply try to use it and reactivate if it asks me to.
Let us see how it goes.

Meanwhile, might you be able to suggest what heatsink (as in which brand and
specific model if you have experience with it) I should opt for?

Also, the Dell 4550 appears to have a fan right on top of the heatsink.
 
Archived from groups: alt.sys.pc-clone.dell (More info?)

Heat sinks and fans normally are integrated together. You need to buy a heat
sink/fan combo that matches the replacement motherboard you are using. It might
make sense to buy both mobo and heat sink/fan from the same seller.

Thermaltake heat sink/fans are excellent and expensive. The run-of-the-mill
Intel branded heat sink/fans are inexpensive and a bit noisy. As long as they
don't get too clogged up with dust, they usually last a pretty long time. I see
a lot of "CPU Cooler" brand fans in name-brand systems I service, and they
appear to be OK for something on the inexpensive side. As for other brands, I
don't have tons of experience.

If you want to part with the remains of the Dell chassis when you are through
gutting it, let me know. If the shipping isn't too severe from where you are,
it might make sense for me to buy it... Ben Myers

On Sat, 17 Jul 2004 21:14:45 -0400, "Mals" <mxsimx20x20@yaxhoxo.cox> wrote:

>Thanks! I will simply try to use it and reactivate if it asks me to.
>Let us see how it goes.
>
>Meanwhile, might you be able to suggest what heatsink (as in which brand and
>specific model if you have experience with it) I should opt for?
>
>Also, the Dell 4550 appears to have a fan right on top of the heatsink.
>
>
 
Archived from groups: alt.sys.pc-clone.dell (More info?)

Thank you for the information. It is very helpful given my knowledge of
assembling a PC.

i will certainly write to you once I am done trying to figure this out.
Thank you again.

<ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers)> wrote in message
news:40f9d710.41211314@news.charter.net...
> Heat sinks and fans normally are integrated together. You need to buy a
heat
> sink/fan combo that matches the replacement motherboard you are using. It
might
> make sense to buy both mobo and heat sink/fan from the same seller.
>
> Thermaltake heat sink/fans are excellent and expensive. The
run-of-the-mill
> Intel branded heat sink/fans are inexpensive and a bit noisy. As long as
they
> don't get too clogged up with dust, they usually last a pretty long time.
I see
> a lot of "CPU Cooler" brand fans in name-brand systems I service, and they
> appear to be OK for something on the inexpensive side. As for other
brands, I
> don't have tons of experience.
>
> If you want to part with the remains of the Dell chassis when you are
through
> gutting it, let me know. If the shipping isn't too severe from where you
are,
> it might make sense for me to buy it... Ben Myers
>
> On Sat, 17 Jul 2004 21:14:45 -0400, "Mals" <mxsimx20x20@yaxhoxo.cox>
wrote:
>
> >Thanks! I will simply try to use it and reactivate if it asks me to.
> >Let us see how it goes.
> >
> >Meanwhile, might you be able to suggest what heatsink (as in which brand
and
> >specific model if you have experience with it) I should opt for?
> >
> >Also, the Dell 4550 appears to have a fan right on top of the heatsink.
> >
> >
>
 
Archived from groups: alt.sys.pc-clone.dell (More info?)

Actually, every time I've had to phone the MS product activation number
(about 4 times in the last year, due to system upgrades), I've never had a
"non-native-English-speaking person". Communication has never been an
issue, nor has getting the product activated even when activating twice in
less than a month. It's a pain in the butt to have to give them all the
numbers once to the automated system, and again to a real person, but the
process is relatively painless. I have no idea if they'll give the OP a
hard time since the product was tied to a Dell box, however.

Clint

<ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers)> wrote in message
news:40f9c28e.35960221@news.charter.net...
> As a point of information, the Dell restore CD appears to be a normal copy
of
> Wondows XP (for the Dimension 2400 anyway), but the COA on the side of the
Dell
> case is definitely already tied to a Dell system. If you use the COA from
the
> Dell case, Microsoft may get very fussy about activiating it with a new
> motherboard. My guess is that you would have to call Micro$oft's product
> activation phone number, then plead and whine with the
> non-native-English-speaking person on the phone to get the copy of XP
> reactivated. And you ARE telling them the exact truth about what
happened, that
> you had to replace a blown Dell mobo and that you could not get a
replacement
> with a Dell BIOS, so they should honor the second activation.
>
> Or... you get lucky and the on-line activation works just fine. You never
know.
>
> ... Ben Myers
>
> On Sat, 17 Jul 2004 15:51:47 -0400, "Edward J. Neth" <ejn63@netscape.com>
wrote:
>
> >That's a case, not a mainboard. Your choice of heatsink is dictated by
> >processor, speed, and budget.
> >The low-end heatsinks ($10-15) use cheap fans and are often noisy. The
> >higher-end ones ($20+) are usually quieter, if that's a consideration.
> >
> >If you are rebuilding a Dell system on a new board, you should know that
> >your copy of Windows will not install without activation - which
Microsoft
> >may deny. It is tied to the Dell BIOS, and if Microsoft denies
activation,
> >you'll need to budget for a retail copy of XP.
> >
> >
> >
> <SNIP>
 
Archived from groups: alt.sys.pc-clone.dell (More info?)

It will not be a problem. Just tell them you upgraded the system by
installing a new motherboard.

"Clint" <nobody@nowhere.non> wrote in message
news:03RKc.58459$od7.54698@pd7tw3no...
>' I have no idea if they'll give the OP a hard time since the product was
tied to a Dell box, however.
>
> Clint
>
 
Archived from groups: alt.sys.pc-clone.dell (More info?)

That sounds like a good idea. Thanks!

I will try it out. And perhaps post an update there for others to know.

Thanks you all!

"WSZsr" <nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:alXKc.15146$Yk3.7649@newssvr23.news.prodigy.com...
> It will not be a problem. Just tell them you upgraded the system by
> installing a new motherboard.
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