[SOLVED] CPU Suggestions

Culogep · Feb 3, 2020

My motherboard just died a few days ago so I want to upgrade my pc.
I just don't know what CPU should i choose. I had a suggestion that the 2700x with an X370 or X470 motherboard would be a good choice.

I compared more CPUs at "Userbenchmark", it came out that 2700x is the weakest.
Compared it with Ryzen 5 3600, Intel i5-9400F, i5-9600K, i5-9600KF(dont even know whats the difference).

Plus the bottleneck calculator said that the 2700x will bottleneck with my GPU more than 90%. (they said that it is bull)

The PC is mostly used for gaming and my goal is to get more FPS, more fluid performance.

Thanks for the answers in advance!

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Culogep · Feb 3, 2020

Zizo007 said:
Again, the best thing is a 3700X.

Yeah I see but double of the 2700x's price.

Wolfshadw · Feb 3, 2020

Culogep said:
So basicly what you are saying is the 2700x not worth it because it wont last long?

No. I'm saying it will last you quite a while. The Ryzen 3600X might last you a wee bit longer (key word there being, "MIGHT"). It's your budget, but if it were up to me and I literally had no more time to save up cash, I'd probably opt for the 2700X just for the cores. Honestly, though, it's really anyone's guess which processor would be better two to ten years from now.

Current trend says go with more cores, but trends are like winds. They can change at a moment's notice.

-Wolf sends

Zizo007 · Feb 3, 2020

Culogep said:
Yeah I see but double of the 2700x's price.

And with the 2700X you can get a cheaper motherboard...

Wolfshadw · Feb 3, 2020

Unfortunately, I have to drop out of this convo for a few hours.

Good luck on your decision!

-Wolf sends

86zx · Feb 3, 2020

The best thing to do would go with a 2700x and get a decent board because that way in the future if you have the money you can upgrade to a 3700x or perhaps even a 3950x if they ever go down significantly, you’ll have an upgrade path down the road

Culogep · Feb 3, 2020

Wolfshadw said:
Unfortunately, I have to drop out of this convo for a few hours.

Good luck on your decision!

-Wolf sends

Thank you very much! I literally struggled yesterday 6,5 hours to find the answer, I am happy to find this website and people helped me fast! I will probably go with the 2700X then. I am thinking about it until tonight, if you guys have opinnions until then, I will read it. Thank you very much from all of you guys, you are awesome!

sizzling · Feb 3, 2020

Culogep said:
But the 3600 has 6 cores too. :O

You are missing a very important point, it has 12 threads and not 6 like the i5. The 3600 is significantly better at multithreaded work.

sizzling · Feb 3, 2020

Culogep said:
Upgrade Budget:
CPU: Ryzen 7 2700x
Motherboard: A lot of people's opinnion the "B" type motherboards are garbage, thr 370X needs to be updated with another CPU, so it would be a 470x i guess
RAM: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 3200MHz
Storage: Crucial SSD around 200 GB + 500GB old western digital
Graphics Card: RX 390x
Power Supply: FSP HydroX 550W 80 Gold

Anyone saying B type boards are garbage hasn’t got a clue. There are a few B type boards that can happily run even a 3950X without issue. Ok you might not want to overclock a 3950X using one but for a <£100 board they are very good. There are some crappy X boards to avoid.

Culogep · Feb 3, 2020

sizzling said:
You are missing a very important point, it has 12 threads and not 6 like the i5. The 3600 is significantly better at multithreaded work.

Yeah i know, but if you think about 2700x has two more cores and 16 threats, logically it should be much better, but as i see you can't judge any of the CPUs from its description. 8 cores 16 threats and 6 cores 12 threats beats it(at almost same Ghz) . That is what i can't really understand CPUs its not like a car with bigger engine performs better or am I stupid and missing something important which makes the 3600 more powerful?

Zizo007 · Feb 3, 2020

Culogep said:
Yeah i know, but if you think about 2700x has two more cores and 16 threats, logically it should be much better, but as i see you can't judge any of the CPUs from its description. 8 cores 16 threats and 6 cores 12 threats beats it(at almost same Ghz) . That is what i can't really understand CPUs its not like a car with bigger engine performs better or am I stupid and missing something important which makes the 3600 more powerful?

The 3600X will be currently faster but when games start using 8 cores, the 2700X will be ahead.

sizzling · Feb 3, 2020

Culogep said:
Yeah i know, but if you think about 2700x has two more cores and 16 threats, logically it should be much better, but as i see you can't judge any of the CPUs from its description. 8 cores 16 threats and 6 cores 12 threats beats it(at almost same Ghz) . That is what i can't really understand CPUs its not like a car with bigger engine performs better or am I stupid and missing something important which makes the 3600 more powerful?

I can completely understand why it all gets confusing unless like some of us on here you constantly read reviews. The 3600 is a nice compromise in my opinion. It’s cores/threads are about 10-15% faster than a 2700X, they can do more work per clock cycle. Games often see benefit from faster cores. The 3600 also has 12 threads and most modern AAA games only use up to 8 although some can use more. The 2700X is a great cpu, no disputing that, just the 3600 in my view has a good combination of faster cores while still having more than enough threads.

Culogep · Feb 3, 2020

Zizo007 said:
The 3600X will be currently faster but when games start using 8 cores, the 2700X will be ahead.

Yeah yeah, thats what I think too, im just saying that you cant know which cpu is better... 3600X from its description seems to be worse than 2700x but when it comes to games 3600x is better and I can't really find the logic in this. 3600x has faster single cpu performance?

Zizo007 · Feb 3, 2020

Culogep said:
Yeah yeah, thats what I think too, im just saying that you cant know which cpu is better... 3600X from its description seems to be worse than 2700x but when it comes to games 3600x is better and I can't really find the logic in this. 3600x has faster single cpu performance?

Yes, that's why I said its currently faster because of higher single core performance. Honestly if you don't play heavy online games like BFV 64 player, the 3600X will be better until you upgrade in the future.

Zizo007 · Feb 3, 2020

Culogep said:
Yeah yeah, thats what I think too, im just saying that you cant know which cpu is better... 3600X from its description seems to be worse than 2700x but when it comes to games 3600x is better and I can't really find the logic in this. 3600x has faster single cpu performance?

Is the 3600X more expensive than the 2700X? The 2700X is 140$ brand new.

Culogep · Feb 3, 2020

Zizo007 said:
Is the 3600X more expensive than the 2700X? The 2700X is 140$ brand new.

3600x is 236$
2700x is 180$
3600 is 215$
3600x is not worth it as I watched reviews, its almost the same az 3600.
I personally don't mind that extra cost but yeah i have a fear of 6 cores won't be enough. Im playing a lot of game. GTA V, Witcher III, Rainbow Six, and whatever cames out and good. AC Odyssey worked better on 2700x, I guess it's the open world right? Needs more core.?

Zizo007 · Feb 3, 2020

Culogep said:
3600x is 236$
2700x is 180$
3600 is 215$
3600x is not worth it as I watched reviews, its almost the same az 3600.
I personally don't mind that extra cost but yeah i have a fear of 6 cores won't be enough. Im playing a lot of game. GTA V, Witcher III, Rainbow Six, and whatever cames out and good. AC Odyssey worked better on 2700x, I guess it's the open world right? Needs more core.?

In the US, the 2700X is 165$ on Amazon with local stores selling it for 139$:
https://www.amazon.com/AMD-Ryzen-Pr..._s_a_1_1?keywords=2700x&qid=1580746979&sr=8-1

Personally I would get the 2700X just for the ease of mind that future games will use more than 6 cores and its cheaper plus you can get a cheaper motherboard with it.

Culogep · Feb 3, 2020

Zizo007 said:
In the US, the 2700X is 165$ on Amazon with local stores selling it for 139$:
https://www.amazon.com/AMD-Ryzen-Pr..._s_a_1_1?keywords=2700x&qid=1580746979&sr=8-1

Personally I would get the 2700X just for the ease of mind that future games will use more than 6 cores and its cheaper plus you can get a cheaper motherboard with it.

Im happy to hear that from you too!

ohio_buckeye · Feb 3, 2020

And who said b series boards are bad? I've got an ASRock ab350 pro 4 that has done very well. Got a 1700x now. 3600 is on the way. Been a good board imo.

Culogep · Feb 3, 2020

ohio_buckeye said:
And who said b series boards are bad? I've got an ASRock ab350 pro 4 that has done very well. Got a 1700x now. 3600 is on the way. Been a good board imo.

A guy who buy pieces of used PCs and build a new one from them. I sent him a link about a B450 Asus motherboard, and he said: "its a bad B type motherboard with some decoration on it. (it was rgb or something)

Culogep · Feb 3, 2020

Culogep said:
A guy who buy pieces of used PCs and build a new one from them. I sent him a link about a B450 Asus motherboard, and he said: "its a bad B type motherboard with some decoration on it. (it was rgb or something)

He said that it requires minimum an X370 or X470.

ohio_buckeye · Feb 3, 2020

Oh. I see. I can't speak to the specific board that they were talking about, but my ASRock has been stable. I wouldn't have a problem using a Gigabyte Aorus or MSI Tomahawk B450 board either. In fact, on my b350 board, there is a somewhere where someone tested a 3900 or 3950x on one of them and it was fine. You obviously wouldn't want to overclock, but it functioned.

https://www.techspot.com/review/1872-ryzen-9-on-older-motherboards/

Wolfshadw · Feb 3, 2020

Culogep said:
He said that it requires minimum an X370 or X470.

No. Most B450 board will run any Ryzen CPU. Some may need a BIOS update in order to run the newer processors. Again, I've been VERY happy with my 1+ year old rig.

-Wolf sends

P.S. I'm back for now...

Culogep · Feb 3, 2020

Wolfshadw said:
No. Most B450 board will run any Ryzen CPU. Some may need a BIOS update in order to run the newer processors. Again, I've been VERY happy with my 1+ year old rig.

-Wolf sends

P.S. I'm back for now...

What is your build I can ask? 🤔

Culogep · Feb 3, 2020

ohio_buckeye said:
Oh. I see. I can't speak to the specific board that they were talking about, but my ASRock has been stable. I wouldn't have a problem using a Gigabyte Aorus or MSI Tomahawk B450 board either. In fact, on my b350 board, there is a somewhere where someone tested a 3900 or 3950x on one of them and it was fine. You obviously wouldn't want to overclock, but it functioned.

https://www.techspot.com/review/1872-ryzen-9-on-older-motherboards/

ASUS ROG STRIX B450-F GAMING thats what i sent to him.

Wolfshadw · Feb 3, 2020

Culogep said:
What is your build I can ask? 🤔

It's in my Sig Block below.

-Wolf sends

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