[SOLVED] CPU Suggestions

[Culogep]

My motherboard just died a few days ago so I want to upgrade my pc.
I just don't know what CPU should i choose. I had a suggestion that the 2700x with an X370 or X470 motherboard would be a good choice.

I compared more CPUs at "Userbenchmark", it came out that 2700x is the weakest.
Compared it with Ryzen 5 3600, Intel i5-9400F, i5-9600K, i5-9600KF(dont even know whats the difference).

Plus the bottleneck calculator said that the 2700x will bottleneck with my GPU more than 90%. (they said that it is bull)

The PC is mostly used for gaming and my goal is to get more FPS, more fluid performance.

Thanks for the answers in advance!

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[Culogep]

I can't decide between
MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX and ASUS ROG STRIX B450-I GAMING
I watched the video, the guy said that choose the Tomahawk instead of Rog but the Tomahawk doesn't have Display port and it has less USB ports a I could see. Plus the Tomahawk has integrated GPU wich is useless for me.

 

[ohio_buckeye]

Don't worry about those features. The CPUs you are looking at do not have any integrated graphics. You'll need to run a dedicated card anyway in either case. So whether or not those boards have display port don't really matter in your case.

I've not used either of those boards, but I'd consider the msi. That seems to be the board talked about as being highly recommended.

 

[Culogep]

Don't worry about those features. The CPUs you are looking at do not have any integrated graphics. You'll need to run a dedicated card anyway in either case. So whether or not those boards have display port don't really matter in your case.

I've not used either of those boards, but I'd consider the msi. That seems to be the board talked about as being highly recommended.

Yeah I'm reading about it, people say its better for OC cuz of it's VRM. And 3th gen ready too.

 

[ohio_buckeye]

The vrms are your thing. The better the vrms, the more stable things should run. Better power delivery etc.

 

[gggplaya]

Yep. Or if you really want to go value, you can also go 1700x. My 1700x I have now, I have overclocked to 3.8ghz all cores at 1.325 volts. My board probably holds my overclock back a little, but I ran Cinebench R20, my 1700x benches higher than my friend's stock 2700x. And you can grab the 1700x for around 100 dollars used on eBay for example.

But that said, you can always get either of those CPU's now, when the 4000 series lands and starts to go down, sell your 2700x or 3600, and then grab a 4000 series chip to drop in the board and you should be set for another few years. Try that on intel lol.

Realistically though, there's not a wrong choice here. Or as was mentioned above, grab a 1600 for 80 bucks, put the money saved toward a better video card. Later on pick up a faster chip and sell the 1600.

I think you missed the point, the 1600AF != 1600. The 1600AF is a 12nm cpu whereas the 1600 is a 14nm cpu. So essentially the 1600AF is actually a Ryzen 2000 series part made by Global Foundries which fabs 12nm nodes. AMD has run out of original 1600 ryzen cpus, you can only find them in retailers that have some left on their shelves.

The 1600AF will have a better memory controller with better ram compatibility, run cooler and overclock better then 1st gen ryzen.

Personally I would get the 1600AF, then use the money you save to buy a better higher tier motherboard with good VRM's. Then when Ryzen 4000 comes out, you can upgrade very properly.

 

[ohio_buckeye]

You are right, but I think the 1600af actually has a 1st gen memory controller because they had a bunch left over, but are otherwise down clocked 2600 CPUs.

 

[gggplaya]

You are right, but I think the 1600af actually has a 1st gen memory controller because they had a bunch left over, but are otherwise down clocked 2600 CPUs.

Ryzen 1000(Zen1) and Ryzen 2000(Zen+) have internal memory controllers. That's why they had memory compatibility issues.

Ryzen 3000(Zen2) moved to a separate chiplet design with a 12nm I/O die with a built in memory controller. The 7nm CPU doesn't have a memory controller.

 

[RodroX]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkxrM9AvT-4

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRO_AUdmfis

 

[Wolfshadw]

Getting a little off track here. The OP has already stated he want to upgrade once and not have to do it again any time soon, so the 1600AF to a 4th Gen Ryzen isn't ideal.

-Wolf sends

 

[Olle P]

My take on this...

... I read articles about 6 cores are sometimes not enough, what do you think about that? Because 9600k is 6 core 6 threads it wont be enough in the close future? 8core 16 threads will last much longer?

But the 3600 has 6 cores too. :O

For somewhat serious gaming six logical cores (threads) now seems to be the bare minimum.
Core i5 has six logical cores whereas Ryzen 5 has twelve. That's a big difference.
Eight cores and SMT is expected to become more beneficial as games get developed for the next generation of consoles, and that will take a year from now or more. I don't expect it to be anywhere near "mandatory" though since way too many PC users are still on quad cores.

That said my recommendation for CPU would be either Ryzen 5 3600 or a 3rd gen Ryzen 7. Not the Ryzen 5 3600X unless you get it at just a little above the non-X. Earlier generations don't have enough speed per core to make them worthy over time for you.

Motherboard: I agree with the others that a B450 is the way to go. I'd also not worry about the VRMs because there's no reason to overclock the new Ryzens. You'll more likely end up with a reduced gaming performance (when only one or two cores are used). Pick one with the features and price tag you want/need.

 

[ohio_buckeye]

Actually the ryzen 5 is 6 cores but with hyperthreading. As far as vrms, I think it's worth it to get a board with decent vrms.

I just installed my new ryzen 5 3600 last night. What I'm finding out is that these chips run hot. Keep in mind I've got a wraith prism for my CPU cooler. During stress tests I was getting temperatures up to 74 degrees C. I was also seeing voltage spiking at times to 1.4 and above.

Apparently from what I'm reading that is normal. I'm not comfortable with my CPU that warm though. Hopefully as the Arctic Silver breaks in the temps will drop. If not, I'm probably going to go into bios and disable all the boosting, all power saving etc, and just set my CPU to 1.3 or whatever is a safe number. Lower preferably. But basically do an all core overclock hopefully to 4-4.2ghz and try to keep the voltage relatively low to drop the temps.

I ran my 1700x this way, and it was happy to run 3.8ghz all the time at 1.325 volts with max temps of mid 60s to maybe 70 every now and again.

 

[drea.drechsler]

...
As far as vrms, I think it's worth it to get a board with decent vrms.
....

I absolutely agree with that. If you have a choice between boards that fit your budget it's much preferable to select the one with the more robust VRM design. There's usually not a huge difference in feature sets, as they mostly originate in the chipset and CPU anyway, and the stronger VRM gives you options for upgrades (future proofing) even if starting off with a bottom of stack CPU that needs less power.

 

[Culogep]

Thanks to all of you guys for the help! I really appreciate it!

I have already ordered my 2700X with an MSI Tomahawk Max according to forums and the video what "RodroX" have sent above!
I will keep in mind the fact that I'm able to upgrade anytime with this board atleast for a 3800x. But I think i will be happy for now and if I won't be able to upgrade as soon as the 4000 series come out, I will be okay for a while with this CPU.

Thank you from all of you!!!

 

[ohio_buckeye]

I would venture to say you'll be fine even for 4000 series as long as they provide a bios update. I have an ASRock ab350 pro 4, and just updated the bios and installed a ryzen 3600 last night. Works good. A little tweaking to do yet. But my board is a 1st gen board, and I now have a 3rd gen CPU. So hopefully the same will work later.

 

[Culogep]

I would venture to say you'll be fine even for 4000 series as long as they provide a bios update. I have an ASRock ab350 pro 4, and just updated the bios and installed a ryzen 3600 last night. Works good. A little tweaking to do yet. But my board is a 1st gen board, and I now have a 3rd gen CPU. So hopefully the same will work later.

Wow nice! I hope so then! I hope you will be able to run too with some bios update!

 

[RodroX]

Actually the ryzen 5 is 6 cores but with hyperthreading. As far as vrms, I think it's worth it to get a board with decent vrms.

I just installed my new ryzen 5 3600 last night. What I'm finding out is that these chips run hot. Keep in mind I've got a wraith prism for my CPU cooler. During stress tests I was getting temperatures up to 74 degrees C. I was also seeing voltage spiking at times to 1.4 and above.

Apparently from what I'm reading that is normal. I'm not comfortable with my CPU that warm though. Hopefully as the Arctic Silver breaks in the temps will drop. If not, I'm probably going to go into bios and disable all the boosting, all power saving etc, and just set my CPU to 1.3 or whatever is a safe number. Lower preferably. But basically do an all core overclock hopefully to 4-4.2ghz and try to keep the voltage relatively low to drop the temps.

I ran my 1700x this way, and it was happy to run 3.8ghz all the time at 1.325 volts with max temps of mid 60s to maybe 70 every now and again.

If 74°C is the max temp you saw, I have to say then you have nothing to worry about.
With the stock cooler (wraith stealth) my Ryzen 5 3600 used to get over the 85°C and run without issues, this CPUs can throttle down the voltage and frecuency to avoid getting damaged.

So in short if 74°C is the max during stress tets then, just relax and enjoy your chip.

Cheers!

 

[ohio_buckeye]

I actually switched fans around and made the 2 top case fans to be exhaust instead of intake, so as heat comes off the CPU, it gets pulled out. Doing that actually dropped it to 71 max.

There might be thermal protections, but I don't want to have to rely on those. I remember actually seeing an FX CPU a few years ago that was fried. And the user had simply used a stock cooler with factory paste. I ended up helping by installing a new CPU and a hyper 212 which helped quite a bit.

But if memory serves, with older AMD CPUs, 60 degrees used to be considered basically on fire. So I don't actually like seeing my CPU above 60 anyways. However, since they say that max is now 95, I suppose I consider 71 to be decent.

 

[RodroX]

I actually switched fans around and made the 2 top case fans to be exhaust instead of intake, so as heat comes off the CPU, it gets pulled out. Doing that actually dropped it to 71 max.

There might be thermal protections, but I don't want to have to rely on those. I remember actually seeing an FX CPU a few years ago that was fried. And the user had simply used a stock cooler with factory paste. I ended up helping by installing a new CPU and a hyper 212 which helped quite a bit.

But if memory serves, with older AMD CPUs, 60 degrees used to be considered basically on fire. So I don't actually like seeing my CPU above 60 anyways. However, since they say that max is now 95, I suppose I consider 71 to be decent.

Ive run my intel core i5 3570 with its stock cooler and original thermal paste for more than 5 years. The last year of use temps were around 77°C while playing high demanding games, and I never had an issue. I imagine if I stress test that cpu today (which still works without any issue) it will probably hit around 90°C or more).

Most silicon should be fine up to around 105°, of course is not recommended to run chips that hot at all.

Cheers and gratz on your new CPU!

 

[ohio_buckeye]

Some of those older Intel CPUs are good CPUs. I've got a Dell optiplex that is in my wife's home office with an i7 3770 and 16gb of ram.

Bought it used from work for 50 dollars, upgraded to the 16gb of ram, and added a 480gb SSD. For good measure, put an EVGA 600 watt power supply in it that I'd retired from my gaming system. So those upgrades, some new thermal paste under a stock cooler, and the i7 seems quite happy. Boots up in about 30 seconds and seems to run good.

 

[jwcrellin]

Don't get the 1600AF. It may have a newer manufacturing process than old 1600, but the boost frequency(3.6) sucks. Get a 2600/2600x. You get an extra 500 MHz boost, which you WILL notice in games.

 

[Zizo007]

Don't get the 1600AF. It may have a newer manufacturing process than old 1600, but the boost frequency(3.6) sucks. Get a 2600/2600x. You get an extra 500 MHz boost, which you WILL notice in games.

He can just OC it by 500Mhz and get even better performance. The 1600AF and the 2600X OC to the same speed 4.1-4.2Ghz, they are the same CPU.