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kony writes:
> Ok, if the heat (or RPM reduction for reduced noise)
> warrants that many fans, but those fans will not reduce the
> northbridge temp much, if we're going under the presumption
> that the case was already properly ventilated. Even with
> the fans, most likely each and every fan would fail long
> before the northbridge. Perhaps not while machine is newer
> and valuable enough to be well-kept, but given enough time,
> it's not likely anyone would find use or value in the system
> by the time it's THAT old.
My idea is that any single fan failure will not damage the machine, even
a CPU or PSU fan failure. If you have a configuration in which the
failure of a certain fan will damage the system, then you risk your
entire investment on the reliability of a component that will inevitably
fail.
And systems can retain use and value indefinitely. If they do the job
they are intended to do, there's no reason why they can't remain in use
for twenty years or more. I have a very well designed and built HP
Vectra on my desk that has been running continuously for eight years
without a hiccup.
> That is a good idea, so long as it suits your needs. I buy
> fans by the case so I too can do this at reasonable cost
> without sacrificing fan quality, but I regularly see people
> paying upwards of $10 per fan - buying fewer because they
> have not the budget or inclination to add so many fans.
Ten dollars isn't much to save a $200 motherboard or a $200
microprocessor (or multiple components).
> This may be where we differ somewhat, I don't have a single
> fan running at over (roughly) 3000 RPM, and only then on a
> couple of overclocked gaming video cards where there is more
> of a space constraint. Usually I'll want an optimized fan
> RPM such that it reduces dust builtup and bearing wear even
> on remote systems outside of audible range.
Dust builds up in areas where the air flow is slowing, not in areas of
high flow. The places that receive the strongest air currents are never
the places that contain the dust--it's always hiding in crannies where
the air slows down.
Also, if you put filters on the incoming air, you can greatly reduce
dust (although I'm still looking for ideal filters).
> The noisiest
> things in some/most of my audible systems are WD
> ball-bearing based hard drives, but fortunately WD has now
> switched over to all fluid bearing models AFAIK.
Will those bearings last as long as ball bearings?
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kony writes:
> Ok, if the heat (or RPM reduction for reduced noise)
> warrants that many fans, but those fans will not reduce the
> northbridge temp much, if we're going under the presumption
> that the case was already properly ventilated. Even with
> the fans, most likely each and every fan would fail long
> before the northbridge. Perhaps not while machine is newer
> and valuable enough to be well-kept, but given enough time,
> it's not likely anyone would find use or value in the system
> by the time it's THAT old.
My idea is that any single fan failure will not damage the machine, even
a CPU or PSU fan failure. If you have a configuration in which the
failure of a certain fan will damage the system, then you risk your
entire investment on the reliability of a component that will inevitably
fail.
And systems can retain use and value indefinitely. If they do the job
they are intended to do, there's no reason why they can't remain in use
for twenty years or more. I have a very well designed and built HP
Vectra on my desk that has been running continuously for eight years
without a hiccup.
> That is a good idea, so long as it suits your needs. I buy
> fans by the case so I too can do this at reasonable cost
> without sacrificing fan quality, but I regularly see people
> paying upwards of $10 per fan - buying fewer because they
> have not the budget or inclination to add so many fans.
Ten dollars isn't much to save a $200 motherboard or a $200
microprocessor (or multiple components).
> This may be where we differ somewhat, I don't have a single
> fan running at over (roughly) 3000 RPM, and only then on a
> couple of overclocked gaming video cards where there is more
> of a space constraint. Usually I'll want an optimized fan
> RPM such that it reduces dust builtup and bearing wear even
> on remote systems outside of audible range.
Dust builds up in areas where the air flow is slowing, not in areas of
high flow. The places that receive the strongest air currents are never
the places that contain the dust--it's always hiding in crannies where
the air slows down.
Also, if you put filters on the incoming air, you can greatly reduce
dust (although I'm still looking for ideal filters).
> The noisiest
> things in some/most of my audible systems are WD
> ball-bearing based hard drives, but fortunately WD has now
> switched over to all fluid bearing models AFAIK.
Will those bearings last as long as ball bearings?
--
Transpose hotmail and mxsmanic in my e-mail address to reach me directly.