CPU Temp ~99C. CANNOT Bring it Down. HELP!

[Jmunk]

I have been having this problem for as long as I can remember. I cannot get my CPU temps lower than 98F. I've even replaced my cooling system from an H60 to just a regular Hyper 212 EVO.

I'm at the point now where is it possible I just fried my CPU and now it won't stay at cooler temps, or is that impossible? I have no idea what to do.

i74790k.

 

[jwcrellin]

Have you considered delidding it to change intels thermal paste under the heatspreader?

 

[Jmunk]

Also seems to happen when gaming/watching streams or videos. I've yet to have it happen to me while simply idling (but certainly not saying it can't)

 

[Jmunk]

Have you considered delidding it to change intels thermal paste under the heatspreader?

I'm honestly not sure what that means. However, I have upgraded my cooler to a 212 evo and therefore put new thermal paste on.

 

[Jmunk]

Oh and, last two crashes I've recieved this error on the blue screen: whea uncorrectable error.

Is that a hardware malfunction error?

 

[jwcrellin]

Have you considered delidding it to change intels thermal paste under the heatspreader?

I'm honestly not sure what that means. However, I have upgraded my cooler to a 212 evo and therefore put new thermal paste on.

Try this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMrXRbMwCr8
Some people do it with an exacto knife.

 

[Jmunk]

Have you considered delidding it to change intels thermal paste under the heatspreader?

I'm honestly not sure what that means. However, I have upgraded my cooler to a 212 evo and therefore put new thermal paste on.

Try this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMrXRbMwCr8
Some people do it with an exacto knife.

Wouldn't that be the issue if my temperatures were sky high and I couldn't get them down? My temperatures, once I'm able to lower my voltage, really aren't the problem.

The problem is the crashes due to a lower (but still normal) CPU voltage.

 

[jwcrellin]

It is the motherboard that supplies voltage, perhaps you have a vrm going bad. Either way this could be an expensive fix. What do you have to lose?

 

[Jmunk]

It is the motherboard that supplies voltage, perhaps you have a vrm going bad. Either way this could be an expensive fix. What do you have to lose?

Not sure, I'm not entirely sure I want to chalk it up to just a new CPU. Especially because I have no idea if anything else is malfunctioning that could ruin the new CPU or whatnot.

 

[Jmunk]

I DL'ed bluescreen viewer. Computer crashed, and then this is what it gave me. Can anyone make sense of this?

Is it saying the driver causing the crash was hal.dll?

 

[Eximo]

Hardware Abstraction Layer, basically the interface between the OS and the drivers.

That can crash for all kinds of reasons.

Take the computer to a shop and have them swap in a different CPU, see if that works. You should only have to pay a diagnostic fee. Or bite the bullet and buy yourself a cheap Pentium and toss it in there and see what happens. If it also has issues running at stock voltages then the motherboard is the problem.

Either way you have to change something to be able to test.

 

[Jmunk]

Hardware Abstraction Layer, basically the interface between the OS and the drivers.

That can crash for all kinds of reasons.

Take the computer to a shop and have them swap in a different CPU, see if that works. You should only have to pay a diagnostic fee. Or bite the bullet and buy yourself a cheap Pentium and toss it in there and see what happens. If it also has issues running at stock voltages then the motherboard is the problem.

Either way you have to change something to be able to test.

Damn, had a feeling it would come to this. My questions is, since in the near future (but not right now, I was hoping) I was going to upgrade the CPU and GPU, should I just get the new one ( was planning on a 7700k) now, or is there a chance that I can damage that new CPU if something else is wrong?

Edit: Just realized my motherboard doesn't support the 7700k, right? That just makes things a whole lot harder.

 

[Jmunk]

Hardware Abstraction Layer, basically the interface between the OS and the drivers.

That can crash for all kinds of reasons.

Take the computer to a shop and have them swap in a different CPU, see if that works. You should only have to pay a diagnostic fee. Or bite the bullet and buy yourself a cheap Pentium and toss it in there and see what happens. If it also has issues running at stock voltages then the motherboard is the problem.

Either way you have to change something to be able to test.

Also, I'm confused as to why before I updated the BIOS, I would be completely steady as far as crashing goes, just with higher temperatures. The voltage would sit at 1.397v.

If it was a hardware issue with the CPU, why was it at least crash-resistant before the BIOS update, but now even when putting the voltage back to 1.397v, it still blue screens?

 

[Jmunk]

Is it possible/safe to downgrade the BIOS and try to get it back to how it was, just so I can get a non-crashing computer until I'm able to properly build a new PC?

 

[Eximo]

Some BIOS will let you overwrite with an older one, you just need to download the older file.

It may not help. The CPU/Motherboard could be dying and may no longer respond to voltage the same way.

This may sound strange, but have you tried overclocking? Going through all the settings normally configured to get the max clocks might help you gain stability.

Though it should work with the defaults, so at this point I am just throwing out ideas.

 

[Jmunk]

Some BIOS will let you overwrite with an older one, you just need to download the older file.

It may not help. The CPU/Motherboard could be dying and may no longer respond to voltage the same way.

This may sound strange, but have you tried overclocking? Going through all the settings normally configured to get the max clocks might help you gain stability.

Though it should work with the defaults, so at this point I am just throwing out ideas.

Yep, wouldn't let me do it.

I'm absolutely down to try, I've never OC'ed before though, so I'm not sure I know what I'm doing.

 

[Jmunk]

Some BIOS will let you overwrite with an older one, you just need to download the older file.

It may not help. The CPU/Motherboard could be dying and may no longer respond to voltage the same way.

This may sound strange, but have you tried overclocking? Going through all the settings normally configured to get the max clocks might help you gain stability.

Though it should work with the defaults, so at this point I am just throwing out ideas.

Holy moly. I think it actually worked. All I did was change it to 4.5MHz. I prime95'ed it, temps got up way high up to 90s, but it didn't crash. I couldn't get past a three second prime test before. When I launched a game, before it would crash within 5-10 minutes, no crashes at all. Temperatures got up to a max of around 70C.

However, my voltage was still on I think 1.397v, which obviously I think I can lower, right? Only thing is, I really don't want to touch anything lol. Also, I have that .307v ring offset thing, not sure if that's ideal.

Anyway, I can't believe this actually worked/is working. You're a genius lol

 

[Eximo]

I had a CPU that was terrible at stock, but ran just fine running a higher clock speed with a lower input voltage. Very odd that CPU, it ran extremely hot with any sort of voltage increase, stock was a little too much. Had I had better ram at the time it probably would have been a very nice overclocker.

Not sure why there would be such a huge offset on the ring. I would at least give 1.3 volt core a try, you can always set it back higher.

 

[Jmunk]

I had a CPU that was terrible at stock, but ran just fine running a higher clock speed with a lower input voltage. Very odd that CPU, it ran extremely hot with any sort of voltage increase, stock was a little too much. Had I had better ram at the time it probably would have been a very nice overclocker.

Not sure why there would be such a huge offset on the ring. I would at least give 1.3 volt core a try, you can always set it back higher.

That's so weird, guess if it works it works. Should I set the ring and all that to normal instead of auto (which usually will make it 0)

 

[Jmunk]

I had a CPU that was terrible at stock, but ran just fine running a higher clock speed with a lower input voltage. Very odd that CPU, it ran extremely hot with any sort of voltage increase, stock was a little too much. Had I had better ram at the time it probably would have been a very nice overclocker.

Not sure why there would be such a huge offset on the ring. I would at least give 1.3 volt core a try, you can always set it back higher.

Just some more trouble shooting posting. I tried lowering the voltage to 1.3, changing absolutely nothing else. Ran prime, couldn't get pass 3 seconds. I then went back in and changed the voltage back to what it was. Except this time, same results. It crashed.

What I remembered doing before I initially tried OC'ed was first loading optimized BIOS defaults from the sort of "legacy" screen (not the high res one). So I first tried just doing that again, and that didn't work.

Then I finally did the whole process over again as I did the first time it worked. Loaded optimized defaults from the legacy screen, and changed all my OC settings. Ran prime and all was good.

So does that mean there's some setting in the BIOS that this is all hinging on? I honestly have no idea.

Sorry for so many posts, just trying to do as detailed reporting as I can.

 

[jwcrellin]

core voltages should be around 1.32v.
Close to your chip. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cp5wPNUshw

 

[Jmunk]

core voltages should be around 1.32v.
Close to your chip. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cp5wPNUshw

I appreciate the help, but I know the voltages are definitely off for my system. That's sort of the problem. I've been outlining the progress in my previous posts.

 

[Eximo]

Well at this point you've got it working, so I kind of agree with you. As long as it will operate and you intend an upgrade anyway, just let it be and hope it doesn't fail prematurely.

Another goofy story, but a long time ago I had an Athlon TB 1.0Ghz and it developed a leak to ground. It would consume ALL the watts, and would idle at 90C, luckily those chips were direct die to heatsink and it was able to run for a few weeks like that (The fan was very very loud). Eventually it popped the power supply, then the 12V wires on the ATX connector melted with a spare power supply. I bypassed the ATX connector by soldering wires directly to the back of the motherboard, it worked until I cannibalized it for parts and built around an Athlon XP. (Still have the board, I stole its USB connectors later, not sure where the CPU ended up)

To relate it to your chip, that may have happened as well. And the chip needs the extra voltage to get enough current despite dumping unnecessary power through a short.