CPU temp problem (80+)

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Hi everyone,

Lately, I've been experiencing high temperatures up to 87°C according to RealTemp for Intel CPU. My CPU is a i5-2400 (3.1 Ghz), and my motherboard a H61M-E33 by MSI, while my graphic card is a HD 7850 + 8GB RAM.

So here's the problem: on Shadow of Mordor, with everything on High and Vsync, I'm nearing the 80°C on the CPU, while GPU temp doesn't go over 60°C, and rarely gets to this temp. The same happened while testing AC: Unity on High, with HBAO+ and MSAA-4x, though the CPU temps went up to 87°C.

I've looked on the internet, these are not some normal temps, and the TCase for this CPU is around 70°C, so I'm afraid I'll trash it. My computer doesn't shutdown or anything, and Realtemp claims theses temps are ok...

I put a Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo on it, and reapplied the thermal paste a month ago, but maybe I did it the wrong way? Or the thermal paste was out of date?

Why does my CPU temp rises so much while the games should use the GPU much? Shouldn't my computer crash or something at this point? Should I just reapply the paste, or change the cooling? Or the CPU?


Thanks for your return
 
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Ok so I did as you said, and CoreTemp is displaying temps up to 78° on Shadow of Mordor.

Edit: just to be sure we're talking about the same thing, it's between 75-80° for each core
 
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You must be doing something very wrong. I consider CM Hyper 212 Evo a piece of junk, but it runs 130W CPUs of my clients at 55-57°C at burn wPrime/OCCT Linpack.

So You definitely did something wrong. Can You snap Your setup, open Your case and shoot it here?

Btw. try to run the OCCT Linpack, and touch the coolers heatpipe, if You can't touch it it's legit, if it's warm, or moderately hot, it's either badly installed, or sensors are bad.

Throttle temperature of Core i5-2400 is at 95°C, shutdown temperature is at 100-105°C, so it won't do anything, unless You set it in Your BiOS.

Btw. Core i5-2400 should never ever go over 45°C in burn, at least from my experience. 2600K I've had never reached 51°C, for two years of operation.
 
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Lol test stopped after 39 seconds because Core #2 reached 86°... I've put all screenshots it provided me in an archive, downloadable here: http://www.filedropper.com/linpack

Edit: oh and for a reason unknown to me, could not tick "use logical cores"
 
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Woa, that's uber bad man. Please screen me Your computer case, open the side and send me a screenshot, like this:

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[btw. that's one of my "extremesystems" builds, it's extremely quiet, for up to 500 euro with VAT, it has 2-5 db from 30 cm]
 
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http://www.photobox.co.uk/my/photo/full?photo_id=20501812456

http://www.photobox.co.uk/my/photo/full?photo_id=20501812494

Ok here are two screenshots of my case.

Tried to readjust the cooler, there was a play in the way it was pinned to the motherboard, but even though I pushed them harder and it was very still, the OCCPT test still stopped at around 30sec...

Thing is I've already ordered another case, much larger, with a cooler already Inside that will add to the coolers I already have, as well as a better quality thermal paste...

Thanks, my dairy allergic friend!
 
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Received, re-uploaded here. The first thing is, You have very non-standart placing of Your fan. I cannot see it blades, but is it sucking the air from fins, or blowing?

I'd put the fan on the other side, by blowing the air through radiator fins, so hot air can go up to the PSU and be blown away from the system. Actually, there's no cool air on that side of the system, where it's probably getting air from, and these cheaper coolers don't have enough power to "back-suck" air by being placed upside-down.

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I'd do it this way:

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And I'd put all the cables into upper 5.25", that doesn't need to be down, I'd put HDD into upper 3,5" bay, and install there a fan if possible, and I'd leave that space where HDD is empty, and install there 120-140mm fan, for fresh cool air intake.
 
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Ok just saw the answer, well I can do that, and test if u want, but as I said, by monday I'll have a new case with a cooler on the back of the case, and more space... should I try anyway?

And do you really think I'll lose 40° doing this? :/
 
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With all due respect, if it's blowing air away from the cooler, the guys is either half, or fully retarded. Secondary fan "must" be set this way, primary must be on the other side, and face the cooler itself. And if it's blowing air away from the cooler, You were running like 50% "passive" with basic cooler, which would explain everything.

There are arrows on fans, showing air flow, and there's also "common sense", which is telling You which part if blows out and which it intakes the air in.

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My PhotoShop skill is legendary, but my creativity level is over minus 9000 😀

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Ok, after a few attempts, I managed to put the cooler the way you thought it should be. I noticed there's a pin that is quite difficult to push all the way through, could this be the reason why it gets that hot? Like it'd make the cooler not be properly placed on the CPU....

Whatever, ran a OCCPT test again, and still it went up to 80° and I stopped the test there. Is it ok if I touch the fins or the copper-colored tubes to see if it really is hot?
 
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You can try to touch it, but it may hurt. And since I don't know how he installed it, I have no idea whether it's good, or bad. Anyway, there's gonna be something with the installation most likely, because since You placed the fan right, and You still have these monstrous temps, there's something wrong.
 
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I'll build the computer with the new components (a new main hard drive, a new graphic card) and reapply the thermal paste on the CPU, all in a bigger case with an integrated fan on monday, so I may be able to run a test Monday or Tuesday, if it's alright I'll tell you then if any of this sh** got better...

Two things: could this by any chance be affected by the fact that since a year a go, I lost the ability to have Windows Updates because of a virus, and haven't been updated since?
And could this be because of the motherboard, like its speed, or capacity, or whatever?

Cause if it's neither, and if I'm able to put correctly everything back together, the only option is the thermal paste no? Or the pin I mentionned?
 
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There should be no pin on the cooler, because it has backplate, it should hold soldered to motherboard very firmly.

And updates have nothing to do with computer overheating.

Only if Your power mode is "performance" instead of "ballanced", but that wouldn't burn Your processor in this way.
 
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Couldn't help but ask you, what Cooler do you recommend after the Hyper 212 EVO, considering a tight budget? I already have a PC built, it runs 9 Degrees Celcius on stock cooler idle, so just want it for when it's under load. Thanks man.
 
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What kind of case did you order so I/we can check out the layout of the new case. The old case you're using is on the small side and provide little to no air intake. There are no significant openings or fans at the front. If there is an opening in the front with a fan, the hard drive is placed in a position that would block majority of the air flow. Same with the back, there seems to be no space for a outtake fan to remove the hot air in the case. With almost no active cooling to bring in cool air into the case your fans/heatsinks are cooling the CPU/GPU with the warm/hot air created by the GPU/HDD/CPU.

For the old case you need to get the hot air to blow out up to the power supply which will take it out of the case. Seeing that thermal paste has been applied recently, there was a sloppy installation of the paste and fan or your cpu is going bad in some way

Like I asked earlier provide the case model you ordered, the mode/type of fan and the number of those fans you will have. People can then see what the best setup of the case and components can be to have the best airflow for cooling. I suggest you or whoever helps you with your computer try to manage your wires a little better also. That's a massive amount of wires that would screw with airflow in a good case.

Unless your Hyper 212 is somehow broken there should be no need of changing the heatsink. It is a decent heatsink that should handle light overclocking. I know the CPU is a locked i5 but is it overclocked by any chance? Has the voltage been upped? What is the voltage of the CPU when it's at idle and while your playing a game? I know that Ubisoft's games tend to be CPU heavy but Shadow of Mordor isn't as much. I could play Mordor with a Dual-Core APU with a 7850 and still get 40-50 FPS although there were drops.

Viruses should not be a problem with CPU heat, although getting rid of the viruses and having the latest Operating System updates is a good thing to do.

You can screw up a thermal paste installation only so much. How are you or another person applying thermal paste? Dot and installing the heatsink, line and installing, or spreading it out on the CPU? Are you using a lot of paste, a little? It could be a CPU issue. If you have a spare CPU or a friend has one that fits in your MOBO, try borrowing it and testing your PC with it. If the CPU is not as hot then it could be a CPU issue or maybe a broken pin on the motherboard.
 
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Ok I'll try to answer everything.

I've ordered a Aerocool V3X case. There's one integrated fan with it, + the TX3 evo fan, + 3 fans on the graphic card.

About the wires, I didn't put them this way, but I had planned to make it better on monday.

I didn't overclock the CPU at all. The problem with Mordor is not fps, I'm around 60 fps, the problem is the core is at 78° while playing at it. Unity is a bit laggy but I suspect there's more to it than temp.

When I re-applied the thermal paste one month ago, I put a pea of paste on the center of the cpu, then placed the TX3 evo on it. Problem is I had little paste left, and it was old, and I had to try again and again to replace the cooler because with how small the case is, it's a bit difficult.

As I said, I have 4 pins to click into the motherboard, and one is a bit difficult, but I'll get the chance to put it in a better way when I'll switch cases.

Also, what's strange is that right after re-applying the thermal paste one month ago, I tried again Shadow of Mordor, on which I attained around 95° before (which made me change the paste) and only got around 50, maybe 55° max after 15 minutes of gameplay (which is usually enough to make the temps rise), so I was relieved and thought I had fixed it. But when I tried Unity yesterday, I saw those temps again and that's why I began posting on this...


Update: Reinstalled the cooler and tried to put all the pins correctly with a little strength, and it came in a bit better.

For correction, I do not have a 212 EVO, but a TX3 Evo, hence the pins, sorry for my mistake.

I launched a OCCT test again, and this time, the test stopped at 1mn29, which is 1 min better than the last test, before reaching 86°. Maybe now if I put the new so-called-better thermal paste, maybe it'll go back to normal?

Update 2: As I suspected, I went from ~80° after 5-10 minutes of gameplay on Mordor to a little bit more than 60°, max 61-63°. I think the re-pinning helped. But I'm still getting at 86° after 1 min 30 of OCCT Linpack test with 90% memory use.
 
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Okay, the Aerocool V3X seems like a decent case. I'm guessing the integrated fan will be in the front of the case to bring in cool air. The good thing is you can add more fans to the case later. There can be two side intakes on the case and one outtake fan in the back. But that one fan bringing in cool air should help a bit if it's an airflow issue.

I would setup your heatsink as uplink-svk suggested when the case comes in. I have a TX3 installed on an Athlon X4 860K but it has two fans (one pushing one pulling). CPU only gets to ~70C during Prime95 stress testing. 61-63C seems a little better and possible for gaming purposes. Also OCCT is suppose to stress your CPU so it's normal to get that hot, but not that fast I think. There may be damage to the heatsink or the thermal paste you're using may not be of good quality. Another culprit could be your motherboard. If you have bent pins on your motherboard socket then it could be causing the CPU to heatup. Normally bent pins end with unbootable PCs or fried CPUs so I would check your CPU socket to see if any of the pins are bent. Taking a clear picture of the pins as close as possible and showing us is a good idea.
 
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Hi, and thanks. Today I decided to buy a motherboard Asrock-Z97 + 32Go RAM and a i7-4790K, to replace my older components. I'll change everything on Monday with the new case, the new HDD, and the new thermal paste. I'll then run some tests, and if the CPU gets on high temps I'll let you know and we'll continue from where we left, if it's ok for you? Though it'll likely be the cooler's fault if it's high again, because all the other components won't be at fault...
 
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For 4790K You should look for some...more solid cooler. Like NH-D14/D15, etc. I have the same specs, with Maximus VII Formula, and NH-D15 is holding just fine, but everything under this monster would have problems with 4790K. Or go for one of the water-corsair solutions.
 
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