Question CPU upgrade compatibility ?

[CountMike]

What does this even mean? what can be forced to what? what same performance?

It benefits nobody to speak nonsense, but that's apparently where we are.

If you don't know that you shouldn't try to be wise guy.

 

[thestryker]

If you don't know that you shouldn't try to be wise guy.

Unlike you I actually know what I'm talking about so I'm not afraid to be clear and concise. My mistake in thinking you might actually have something relevant to add rather than trying to deflect from your lack of understanding and how wrong you are.

 

[CountMike]

Unlike you I actually know what I'm talking about so I'm not afraid to be clear and concise. My mistake in thinking you might actually have something relevant to add rather than trying to deflect from your lack of understanding and how wrong you are.

Once for all:
1+1=2
CPU is made up of transistors and other electronic components that require power but lets take just transistors.
Each one takes so much power to change states between 0 and 1, that's why it's called digital.
According to that first formula power requirements adds up with number of transistors of which there are millions while some power is wasted because they are not ideal and have own resistance which adds up to heat energy. More heat causes higher temps which in turn cause higher resistance which causes even higher temps. That has to be dissipated before everything melts, therefore cooler needs to have enough dissipating capacity for CPU with more transistors.
If you didn't get it by now, back to elementary school with you.

 

[triplex1]

Once for all:
1+1=2

Joy in your courage!

 

[CountMike]

Joy in your courage!

I'm enjoining it for some 55 years as retired electro-mechanical engineer that specializes in automatic machine controllers using similar or same components. Math and physics laws are some things not even lawyers can dispute.

 

[triplex1]

I'm enjoining it for some 55 years as retired electro-mechanical engineer that specializes in automatic machine controllers using similar or same components. Math and physics laws are some things not even lawyers can dispute.

I know because I'm not young either, I just don't have the same courage as you to sit down and explain to everyone.

 

[thestryker]

Once for all:
1+1=2
CPU is made up of transistors and other electronic components that require power but lets take just transistors.
Each one takes so much power to change states between 0 and 1, that's why it's called digital.
According to that first formula power requirements adds up with number of transistors of which there are millions while some power is wasted because they are not ideal and have own resistance which adds up to heat energy. More heat causes higher temps which in turn cause higher resistance which causes even higher temps. That has to be dissipated before everything melts, therefore cooler needs to have enough dissipating capacity for CPU with more transistors.
If you didn't get it by now, back to elementary school with you.

Duh?

What does any of this have to do with the FACT that the 5700X is a 65W part which operates identically to the 5600/X?

Yes you can make the 5700X use more power just like you can ANY unlocked CPU (whether useful or not). It having two more cores does not mean that it automatically uses more power/outputs more heat. The power input has to be higher for that to happen so it having 2 more cores than the 5600/X simply isn't relevant unless you're moving past stock.

I'm sorry it's so hard for you to grasp this obvious point that I've been making the entire time while you're talking theoretical maximums. Pointless to continue since you're talking about one thing and I'm talking about another.

 

[CountMike]

Duh?

What does any of this have to do with the FACT that the 5700X is a 65W part which operates identically to the 5600/X?

Yes you can make the 5700X use more power just like you can ANY unlocked CPU (whether useful or not). It having two more cores does not mean that it automatically uses more power/outputs more heat. The power input has to be higher for that to happen so it having 2 more cores than the 5600/X simply isn't relevant unless you're moving past stock.

I'm sorry it's so hard for you to grasp this obvious point that I've been making the entire time while you're talking theoretical maximums. Pointless to continue since you're talking about one thing and I'm talking about another.

Past stock ? Which"stock" would that be ? At nominal frequency, at boost or in power saving mode?

 

[triplex1]

Duh?

What does any of this have to do with the FACT that the 5700X is a 65W part which operates identically to the 5600/X?

Yes you can make the 5700X use more power just like you can ANY unlocked CPU (whether useful or not). It having two more cores does not mean that it automatically uses more power/outputs more heat. The power input has to be higher for that to happen so it having 2 more cores than the 5600/X simply isn't relevant unless you're moving past stock.

I'm sorry it's so hard for you to grasp this obvious point that I've been making the entire time while you're talking theoretical maximums. Pointless to continue since you're talking about one thing and I'm talking about another.

Dude, there's a 22% difference in performance between the two, one works with up to 4090 graphics cards and the other doesn't..........Stop answering like you know everything.

 

[thestryker]

Past stock ? Which"stock" would that be ? At nominal frequency, at boost or in power saving mode?

There's only one stock this isn't Intel allowing motherboard manufacturers to set their power limits to whatever.

Here's the most recent two TPU CPU reviews that contain the 5600X and 5700X with CPU only power consumption measurements:
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-i5-13400f/21.html
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-5-8500g/23.html

Their average power consumption increase from the 5600X to the 5700X in applications is +3W in both and gaming is +2W/+3W. With all of the averages still being slightly below the 7600 which also comes with the same cooler as the 5600X.