CRT v.s. LCD

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I own a LCD the only problem I have with them and I'm so glad I got the 2 year warranty is when a pixel goes dead or gets stuck it can be so annoying
 
Gee, thats real nice... 8)

what is?

did you check the link i posted?

its an oldie but a goodie
You said true to:

What the stuff on plasmas or the "sucks to be poor" part? (or both :lol:)

uhmm all of the above.:wink:
But nevermind. Anyways I saw that ad in your thread that you started on it, the AMD vs Intel thing, or was it ATI vs Nvidia, I cant remember.

What :?:
 
Your CRT was flickering because you had the refresh rate set at 60hz. It was matching the flickering of the lights. All you had to do is raise the refresh rate to 75hz or above. As far as the rest of your problems must be a bad CRT. To OP, if you have the space and the money, CRT will kick the crap out of any LCD out there, period. I didn't check for availability but if you want a monitor that is sure to not disappoint, see links.


http://www.iiyama.com/us/default.asp?SID=&LNG=US&NAV=236&PROD=2749

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`Changing the Face' of Desktop Computing With World's First Truly Flat-screen 22-

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0WUB/is_1999_Jan_11/ai_53553451
 
CRT Specifications (Average 19")

Brightness: 150 - 200cd/m2
Dot Pitch: .24mm
Resolution: 1600x1200
Responce Time: <1ms
Refresh Rate: 60 - 80Hz
Power Consuption: 200 - 250Watts
Physical Size/Weight: 2' Deep/75LBS

LCD Specifications (Average 19")

Brightness: 230 - 400cd/m2
Dot Pitch: .25 - .27mm
Resolution: 1280x1024
Responce Time: >2ms - 12ms (Or Worse)
Refresh Rate: 60 - 72Hz
Power Consuption: 30watts
Physical Size/Weight: 2" - 4" Deep/18 - 20LBS
 
CRT Specifications (Average 19")

Brightness: 150 - 200cd/m2
Dot Pitch: .24mm
Resolution: 1600x1200
Responce Time: <1ms
Refresh Rate: 60 - 80Hz
Power Consuption: 200 - 250Watts
Physical Size/Weight: 2' Deep/75LBS

LCD Specifications (Average 19")

Brightness: 230 - 400cd/m2
Dot Pitch: .25 - .27mm
Resolution: 1280x1024
Responce Time: >2ms - 12ms (Or Worse)
Refresh Rate: 60 - 72Hz
Power Consuption: 30watts
Physical Size/Weight: 2" - 4" Deep/18 - 20LBS

I've not seen a TFT that can't do 75hz. Even my Old Benq T904 can do that.
Response times are < 8ms nowadays too. If your response time is more than that ask yourself why you are buying it.

As for the rest of this thread. Talk about anal. Seriously CRT is dead, boring dull picture. Get over it.
 
CRT's really are a dead technology. No one wants a 50 lb behemoth sitting on their desk anymore. When I turned my old one on in the dark I felt like I was blinded. It wasn't high quality or anything but my new LCD is infinitly times better than my old 17" CRT. It was horrible. My new monitor is better in every single way.
 
CRT Specifications (Average 19")

Brightness: 150 - 200cd/m2
Dot Pitch: .24mm
Resolution: 1600x1200
Responce Time: <1ms
Refresh Rate: 60 - 80Hz
Power Consuption: 200 - 250Watts
Physical Size/Weight: 2' Deep/75LBS

LCD Specifications (Average 19")

Brightness: 230 - 400cd/m2
Dot Pitch: .25 - .27mm
Resolution: 1280x1024
Responce Time: >2ms - 12ms (Or Worse)
Refresh Rate: 60 - 72Hz
Power Consuption: 30watts
Physical Size/Weight: 2" - 4" Deep/18 - 20LBS
A little extreme in the comparisons, to make LCD look that much better. :roll:

1. 19" CRT uses ~100w(not 200-250)
2. 19" CRT are ~ 18" deep(not 24")..and ~50lbs.(not 75).
3. 19" LCD use closer to 40w(35-40)
4. Are you, by chance, a used car salesman?
 
I prefer CRT to LCD. No its not dead tech. Its just that you have to get a good one, which can be purchased for under $200 and will perform better than a LCD.

Link?
You can get good TFT's too. And in sizes of 22" for around $350.
The only reason i can think of buying a CRT is if i needed a really high res.
 
Would you care to elaborate on an assumed correlation between a company's LCD technology and its plazma technology?

In particular, please examine this situation - Sony's plasma TVs are generally very well regarded, while their LCD monitors are generally considered SUCKY. Don't mean to yell, but they SUCK (in terms of performace. Quite well designed, though).

I am listening quite attentively.

I wasn't implying any correlation only that LG seems to be making decent products in general, plasmas, DVD players, receivers etc. As for Sony they SUCK in general. They are overpriced for under performance & if you have a problem their basic answer is to laugh & tell you to go buy a new one. Ever see the Chinpokomon episode of South Park? That's Sony 100%
 
I wasn't implying any correlation only that LG seems to be making decent products in general, plasmas, DVD players, receivers etc. As for Sony they SUCK in general. They are overpriced for under performance & if you have a problem their basic answer is to laugh & tell you to go buy a new one. Ever see the Chinpokomon episode of South Park? That's Sony 100%

Not a fan of Sony's LCD's, they looked the worst in the shop when hooked up to Sky+.
I prefer plasma's to LCD too, warmer picture, less digital feel to them.
 
if you use it for full-screen games, go CRT. Especially since most people with not-top-of-line cards go through res change when you go into games. (or the REALLY top-of-the-line rig who plays at 3 megapixels per frame that they turn UP the resolution because otherwiuse the text at desktop will be too small to read)

if you don't do games with it, get yourself a LCD and use the remaining space to store your favorite beverage/printed material/DVD's 8O
 
You should get out a bit more or surf some alot of TFT can do 75hrz mine is one of them.

Alot of info reguarding LCD in this thread is wrong or vary vary vary old.

WizardOZ have you even used a LCD? almost all of your cons of a LCD are way way off.

Everything on my LCD looks WAY more crisp then it ever did on my viewsonic p815 21" cost wise my 24" and almost everyone out there is no more expensive when they were sold as my 24" LCD hell alot are cheaper if you dont mind cheap LCD monitors which is the only way i can see alot of the complaints i see about LCD happening(people buying cheap crap and expecting it to be good.)

I hated LCD for ever and wouldnt ever get one until i gave one a chance and there is no way in hell anyone could convince me a CRT is better for many things ill leave graphical design out of it since LCD at least in color represintation is not up to par yet but other then that i dont see any reason to hold on to CRT anymore.
 
if you use it for full-screen games, go CRT. Especially since most people with not-top-of-line cards go through res change when you go into games. (or the REALLY top-of-the-line rig who plays at 3 megapixels per frame that they turn UP the resolution because otherwiuse the text at desktop will be too small to read)

if you don't do games with it, get yourself a LCD and use the remaining space to store your favorite beverage/printed material/DVD's 8O

This arguement doesn't hold water though. If you have just spent all that money on a rig capable of playing games well on a res above 1280x1024 then why are you cheap skating on the monitor?

Get yourself in the 22"+ section of newegg and take a look at what is on offer 😉

Look at this beaut too.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16824009101
Okay i know its acer, but 26inches for $750 (£400). Wish they were that cheap over here.
 
In every technology comparison, all technologies are compared to a "state of the art" reference standard. That standard is still CRT's.

A cheap CRT is gonna be better than a cheap CRT but a quality CRT is still untouched in the desktop arena as far as image quality goes.

I couldn't find this year's comparison easily enough with their search engine, but in the previous one, Extremetech.com wrote:

"If you can live with a bulky unit and a 40 inch or smaller screen size then the CRT is the clear image quality winner. For thin direct-view displays the plasma is currently better for video but the LCD is better for (non-gaming) computer applications. For large screen image quality the DLP currently produces the best overall image quality......"

While response times have improved for LCD's they are still grossly overstated on manufacturer's spec sheets. I don't much care if someone advertises they have a 6 ms response time when it's tested here on Tomshardware and their tests show it to be 30. For the most part LCD's response times are a fraud. I even remember tomshardware complimenting a vendor (Eizo IIRC) for publishing accurate response times noting how such a practice was unique in the industry. Contrast is another area wher published specs are grossly overstated.

LCD's have certain advantages mainly in brightness, size and weight. For the most part, their resolutions still pale compared to CRT's. We have three 19" 1280 x 1024 LCD's and I find the fact that I can see individual pixels annoying. I can see the border around pixels. We also have a 17" 1920 x 1200 LCD and that is quite good in respect to individual pixels not being visible to the naked eye at normal viewing distances.

As for heat generation, my experience contradicts "rumor". The exterior temperature of our 21" CRT is 22 degrees C.....the LCD's are 29C.

Finally, if you want an authority with regard to display technology, go to the source....go to the people who develop the software to test display technology. These are the people who run the technology comparisons on extremetech.

http://www.displaymate.com/crtvslcd.html

Note the most important criteria:

Color and Greyscale Accuracy - CRT's The reference standard, the very best color and gray-scale. If you need very accurate color and gray-scale calibration then get a CRT. LCD's - Pleasing images but not accurate because of problems with black-level, gray-scale and Gamma. Reduced color saturation at low intensity levels due to a poor black-level. Generally not suitable for professional image color balancing.

Contrast - CRT's Produce the highest contrast levels normally available. LCD's - Lower contrast than CRTs due to a poor black-level. Don't believe the published contrast ratios. Real world operational values are substantially lower.

Resolution - CRT's Operate at any resolution, geometry and aspect ratio without the need for rescaling the image. Run at the highest pixel resolutions generally available.LCD's - Each panel has a fixed pixel resolution format determined at the time of manufacturer that can not be changed. All other resolutions require rescaling, which generally results in significant image degradation, particularly for fine text and graphics.

Grey Scale - Have a perfectly smooth gray-scale with an infinite number of intensity levels. LCD's Have an irregular intensity scale and typically produce fewer than 256 discrete intensity levels. For some LCDs portions of the gray-scale may be dithered.

Black-Level CRT's Produce a very dark black. Suitable for use even in dimly lit and dark environments. LCD's Have difficulty producing black and very dark grays. Not suitable for use in dimly lit and dark environments.

Finally, LCD's is a "close the curtains" technology. Using a LCD in proximity of an uncovered window, outside or in a car is too often an exercise in frustration.
 
I don't think anyone cared to mention heat differences between LCD and CRT.

I know for a fact my old "17 inch CRT would generate so much heat in the summertime it would be nearly unbearable to keep it on for any longer than a hour, yet stay in the room with it.

My new LCD doesn't nearly generate any heat at all, and I can keep it running all day long. With the lower voltage use I save on my electric bill also...

Anyhow I guess it all BOILS down to preference.
 
Image quality wise if you need exact color yeah a crt is better as for crt better for gaming i dont see it unless you actualy pay for something witha responce time so bad you actualy see bluring. In every other aspect aside from graphical design i dont see the need for a crt anymore. Dispite what you have said about crt having way better image quality i defanitly dont see it. Every LCD even from when they were bad for gaming way way back has always looked better then any CRT alot more crisp that is of course when active matrix was entroduced i wasnt to fond of the dual matrix monitors.

I believe all my 21"+ monitors here are the $800+ professional grade monitors since i have this thing about having the best. so far the only gripe i have about my LCD is the low resolution of 1920x1200. other then that i have yet to see a CRT i would use over this LCD. (since i dont need the exact color representation of a crt 😉
 
Yeah my TFT's are far crisper than any of the CRT's i had.

As for seeing pixels on the screen, what a load of rubbish! For that to be the case you'd have to be sitting 6inches from the screen. That's going to give you a serious headache... 8O
 
Don't be nitpicky. The idea is still the same: LCD use less power, take up less space, and CRT are power hungry.

They set my eyes on fire, too, like this demon. :evil:
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Any CRT takes a LCD, puts it into a bag and bashes it like there was no tomorrow.
Disadvantage is the weight and dimensions.