Crysis 2 SP Shootout: PC vs. Xbox 360 vs. PS3

[kaden101]

@the associate,

I agree in that a PC is so much more flexible than any console that's every existed, & I can't see this changing anytime soon, which is why I never plan on getting rid of my PC. This is also part of the reason why Lansow's opinion bears some weight (he could have put it better, woefully inadequate is a woefully inaccurate statement), that even with 10x the power of a console, games are never going to be graphically 10x better. The flexibility offered by running a huge operating system like Windows & the different range of hardware that has to be supported is always going to lead to a PC not been as optimised as a console for the hardware available.

As for how much money people spend on their PC's, that's their business, & it's their money, & it should be the case that games released on PC's should do their best to allow that level of flexibility PC owners need to use their hardware to it's best advantage. This obviously hasn't happened with Crysis 2, & I get why PC gamers with good rigs are pissed off about it.

@Filiprino

What's not easy about a console? You just shove in the disc & play. You're forgetting about graphics & motherboard driver updates for PC's, system maintenance like Degragging, windows updates. Farting about with all the settings every time you get a new game, tc. For the technically minded among us, we do these things automatically without a 2nd thought. For the technophobes out there, a lot of them are clueless. Every time my father tries to do anything even vaguely system orientated it's always followed by a visit to fix his not working PC..again.

I'd also bring up port forwarding for online gaming, but I've had to deal with this for my PS3 for a couple of games (Blur, GT5) so that does complicate console use slightly, but apart from those 2 games in 2 & a half years, it's been straight sailing all the way.

I can play older games by hanging onto my older console, assuming they don't put backward compatibility in (properly). Anyway, I tried playing PS2 games on my 40" LCD, & they look bloody awful. Most gamers play reasonably up to date games most of the time. I'm not saying nobody ever plays older games, but the companies have got to cater to the majority of gamers, & most hardcore gamers are playing the latest Call of Mediocrity, or Battlefield, or Failo etc etc.

Consoles are easier. Not as flexible by a long shot, but definitely easier.

 

[Filiprino]

[citation][nom]kaden101[/nom]@Filiprino What's not easy about a console? You just shove in the disc & play. You're forgetting about graphics & motherboard driver updates for PC's, system maintenance like Degragging, windows updates. Farting about with all the settings every time you get a new game, tc. For the technically minded among us, we do these things automatically without a 2nd thought. For the technophobes out there, a lot of them are clueless. Every time my father tries to do anything even vaguely system orientated it's always followed by a visit to fix his not working PC..again. I'd also bring up port forwarding for online gaming, but I've had to deal with this for my PS3 for a couple of games (Blur, GT5) so that does complicate console use slightly, but apart from those 2 games in 2 & a half years, it's been straight sailing all the way.I can play older games by hanging onto my older console, assuming they don't put backward compatibility in (properly). Anyway, I tried playing PS2 games on my 40" LCD, & they look bloody awful. Most gamers play reasonably up to date games most of the time. I'm not saying nobody ever plays older games, but the companies have got to cater to the majority of gamers, & most hardcore gamers are playing the latest Call of Mediocrity, or Battlefield, or Failo etc etc.Consoles are easier. Not as flexible by a long shot, but definitely easier.[/citation]

System maintenance? Defragging? Are you from the past? These are not FAT32 days. I have not defragged since I installed Windows on my machine. I have not updated video driver ever, just installed the first of the next generation GPUs. If you buy a card, don't do it the launch day. Steam now auto updates ATI drivers, and NVIDIA drivers now have update notifications. Motherboard drivers haven't been never an issue for me, just used the generic ones in Windows.

I would like to see consoles having the possiblity to use private servers, show real statistics, true web browsing capabilities, office work, multimedia and so on.

 

[kaden101]

Not everybody uses Steam. Some people still like to have physical discs. As I don't use steam, my ATI drivers never update unless I update them. I'm not putting Steam down in the slightest, but it isn't the centre of the PC universe for everybody. I didn't mention patches as these are a lot more automatic on PC these days, but used to be a pain in the rear end.

I don't want to see consoles do office work. I'd rather they kept consoles mainly for gaming. I don't want resources being taken away. One of the advantages of consoles is that over time, they do optimise to the hardware for the maximum performance available, & a minimal operating system doesn't invade too much on this. PC's are easier for office, & multimedia, the filing system alone on the PS3 is minimal & next to useless, it still doesn't play MKV's, the browser is slow, prone to crash, & awkward to use. I only use the PS3 browser if the missus is on the PC, but for basic browsing it's just about passable. I use my console mainly for games, PlayTV, & Iplayer, because that's what it's good at. Anything else is just adding clutter, & will make it not user friendly for non nerds. The XMB has enough options in it as it is, it doesn't need more. I just want to put in a disc, slouch in my armchair with a dualshock, & play a game.

There is definitely a place for PC's for both desktop applications & gaming, but this doesn't make consoles redundant. I want my console to be a console, otherwise I'd build a small PC, sit it in my liviing room, & plug it into the TV. I like my giant (underpowered by todays standards) Kandalf cased PC sitting in all it's glory in another room attached to a monitor ready to do PC stuff, but that's just me.

I'm not saying PC's are difficult, but you do need to know what you're doing. Things do go wrong with Windows, & if you're not tech savvy you might not be able to fix it. Consoles are still easier for just playing games, & if something goes wrong with a console, it's generally cos it's buggered, & everybody knows how to deal with that, find a receipt, or go shopping.

 

[fatsoferret]

with all these games being developed for consoles that are 5 years old, is it really wrong for the PC community to be upset that we are just being fed their scraps? Is it wrong for us to ask for a game that pushes our hardware to the limit? the whole reason that we upgrade frequently is to get better rates from what we have, and to be able to play the next thing we want. throw us a bone and give us a game that pushes our machines to the limit and makes us want to improve it. after all a lot of the PC gamers got into the PC because they like to fidegit with the hardware

 

[Filiprino]

[citation][nom]kaden101[/nom]Not everybody uses Steam. Some people still like to have physical discs. As I don't use steam, my ATI drivers never update unless I update them. I'm not putting Steam down in the slightest, but it isn't the centre of the PC universe for everybody. I didn't mention patches as these are a lot more automatic on PC these days, but used to be a pain in the rear end.I don't want to see consoles do office work. I'd rather they kept consoles mainly for gaming. I don't want resources being taken away. One of the advantages of consoles is that over time, they do optimise to the hardware for the maximum performance available, & a minimal operating system doesn't invade too much on this. PC's are easier for office, & multimedia, the filing system alone on the PS3 is minimal & next to useless, it still doesn't play MKV's, the browser is slow, prone to crash, & awkward to use. I only use the PS3 browser if the missus is on the PC, but for basic browsing it's just about passable. I use my console mainly for games, PlayTV, & Iplayer, because that's what it's good at. Anything else is just adding clutter, & will make it not user friendly for non nerds. The XMB has enough options in it as it is, it doesn't need more. I just want to put in a disc, slouch in my armchair with a dualshock, & play a game.There is definitely a place for PC's for both desktop applications & gaming, but this doesn't make consoles redundant. I want my console to be a console, otherwise I'd build a small PC, sit it in my liviing room, & plug it into the TV. I like my giant (underpowered by todays standards) Kandalf cased PC sitting in all it's glory in another room attached to a monitor ready to do PC stuff, but that's just me.I'm not saying PC's are difficult, but you do need to know what you're doing. Things do go wrong with Windows, & if you're not tech savvy you might not be able to fix it. Consoles are still easier for just playing games, & if something goes wrong with a console, it's generally cos it's buggered, & everybody knows how to deal with that, find a receipt, or go shopping.[/citation]

What a bunch of stereotypes about PCs. You do not need to be tech savvy. You just need to be sensitive.
Optimization: consoles are as optimized as PCs. It wouldn't be the first time that a PS3 game has bugs and needs to be patched, or performance issues (for instance you say that PS3 browser is a pain), or bugs on the PS3 firmware and a large etcetera which needs updates. Crashes on Call of Duties have also been common.
The dualshock is a bad controller designed 15 years ago and has serious ergonomic issues. I prefer to buy the controller I want, not to be obliged to use one.
You'd be better buying a new graphics card for you PC and forget consoles. If they were real gaming machines you could be able to play any genre, and that's not true. Sims, Real Time Strategy, MMORPG, graphics adventures, FPS... some of them are playable on consoles, but are not designed for them, and as such console developers had to use tricks like auto-aim and other stuff that downgrades playing experience.

 

[kaden101]

[citation][nom]Filiprino[/nom]What a bunch of stereotypes about PCs. You do not need to be tech savvy. You just need to be sensitive.Optimization: consoles are as optimized as PCs. It wouldn't be the first time that a PS3 game has bugs and needs to be patched, or performance issues (for instance you say that PS3 browser is a pain), or bugs on the PS3 firmware and a large etcetera which needs updates. Crashes on Call of Duties have also been common.The dualshock is a bad controller designed 15 years ago and has serious ergonomic issues. I prefer to buy the controller I want, not to be obliged to use one.You'd be better buying a new graphics card for you PC and forget consoles. If they were real gaming machines you could be able to play any genre, and that's not true. Sims, Real Time Strategy, MMORPG, graphics adventures, FPS... some of them are playable on consoles, but are not designed for them, and as such console developers had to use tricks like auto-aim and other stuff that downgrades playing experience.[/citation]

What an arrogant stereotypical PC elitist, telling me what I should buy, & how I should game. Nothing I said in my previous post was untrue.

1. Not everybody uses Steam - true
2. Some people like to have physical discs - true
3. I don't want PC's to do office work - also true, because it's my opinion, did you notice the “I don’t want” bit.
4. Consoles optimise to the hardware over time to get the maximum, & PC's don't so much because they're a constantly developing tech running a big OS designed to do multiple different tasks - true, & true.
5. Things do go wrong with Windows, & if you’re not tech savvy, you might not be able to fix it – oh, so very bloody true.

That post was my "opinion", & my opinion is that a PS3 is better for gaming than a PC. MY OPINION, for my needs, not yours. I never stated that it would suit everybody, & yet you stated, & I quote (again, just to be sure you don't miss your own self righteous arrogant elitist PC ways "You'd be better buying a new graphics card for you (?!) PC and forget consoles". “No, I really hadn't. Maybe that suits you, & I'm sure there's other PC only gamers who feel that way, but to suggest that consoles are not proper gaming machines, & that it's not a valid choice, just because you're biased is a crap argument at best.

Then there’s your “The dualshock is a bad controller designed 15 years ago and has serious ergonomic issues” comment. Opinion stated as fact, yet again. I have no “ergonomic” issues with the DS3. It’s comfortable, it’s wireless, the battery last for hours, all the buttons work. Also, you can buy other 3rd party controllers for the PS3 or 360, you’re not forced to use the official ones, but they’ve got to put something in the box when you buy the console. What do you suggest? A magic wand? A Kempston Pro? Fish & Chips?

The PC does do some genres of gaming better than a console. I never said they didn’t. So what? An oven with a grill does a lot more than & toaster, & it can do toast. Does that make a toaster an invalid purchase?

Oh, & Call of Duty is a pile of buggy crap that should have never been released. Probably the only thing I agree with you on. Games are far too buggy on this gen of consoles, & having internet access & been more PC like, & able to download patches has made publishers not care if their developer has finished, you know, actually making the game as long as they hit their release date, & make shed loads of money, but then again wasn’t Black Op’s a buggy mess on the PC as well?

As for firmware updates, I personally haven’t had a single problem, they take 5 minutes, & then you’re done. I’m not saying things don’t go wrong, ever, but PC has things like that. BIOS flashing, New Viruses/Trojans that haven’t been caught by your AV/firewall software. These are things that only affect a very small percentage of PC users, but then again so is an iffy firmware update on a console.

I never said consoles are perfect, but they are easier than a PC for people who don’t care enough about PC’s to learn how to deal with Windows, or at least they’re more automatic. If you want to call that lack of control, that’s fine, but don’t state your opinion as facts that I should abide by.

 

[Filiprino]

[citation][nom]kaden101[/nom]What an arrogant stereotypical PC elitist, telling me what I should buy, & how I should game. Nothing I said in my previous post was untrue.1. Not everybody uses Steam - true2. Some people like to have physical discs - true3....[/citation]

1. Steam also admits physical media. So people that like physical disks can have them installed too with Steam.
2. Go to 1.
3. OK
4. False, horribly false. You lack good knowledge of software and hardware architecture.
5. Things don't go wrong with Windows, this is not Win98 era. Of course, you don't have to buy crappy hardware with bad drivers and design, but hey, it's supposed that when you buy a computer you don't buy the shittiest one, as you wouldn't with the TV for your precious console.

Suggesting that consoles aren't proper gaming machines is a fact. You can't play everything on them. They are limited due to their controller and functionality. If you could attach a keyboard and mouse it would be fine, but then you need a proper distance and a surface for them.

Oh yeah, sure, you can get different controllers from the official ones, but they follow the same design, so in the case of PS3 it continues to lack on the ergonomic subject. The Xbox 360 controller is better and if you have a PS3 then you are screwed. And that is a fact.

Consoles are for gaming and are bested by the PCs which do gaming better because you can play all kinds of games. Think as if a console is a toaster and the PC is a toaster too, but you can put in the PC-toaster bigger slices of bread, with any form. On console-toasters you have to put rectangular toasts with a fixed size.

Fails on PC do not make fails on consoles less important. So if CoD had bugs, need for speed also had bugs and other games I can't remember now, then the supposed advantage of free hurdle on consoles is not there.

And for firmware updates, you should remember the year bug on PS3. That was a nice one. For AV/Firewall, I do not use anti virus, no computer in my home does use antivirus. Just a firewall and a little anti-malware software from Microsoft. If I don't visit strange websites, download illegal content, why should I use an antivirus? Oh, if you like piracy or download pirated games from doubtful sites, well, I think it's not PC's fault.

I never said PCs are perfect, but they are the best choice and equally easier for people who don't care enough about PCs to learn how to deal with Windows. Maybe Windows is not enough automatic, but people who has a console also has a PC to deal with for their everyday work, so adding gaming is a no brainer and you don't have to care for your PS3 reader lens, small hard disk and pricier games. I say consoles have lack of control, lack of playability and lack of functionality. And I do state my text as facts, because they are.

If you like consoles, I'm OK with that, but simply put that's not the best choice for gaming, never was. PCs have been on gaming since the early days. Consoles just came out as a cheaper sub-product, and the difference in price seems to be smaller as time goes by.

 

[kaden101]

Consoles are not the best choice for gaming "for you". Just thought I'd correct that for you.

 

[Filiprino]

[citation][nom]kaden101[/nom]Consoles are not the best choice for gaming "for you". Just thought I'd correct that for you.[/citation]
No, strictly talking, consoles aren't best choice for gaming, sorry. Redundant costs, limited functionality, incapability of playing all games, etcetera etcetera.

 

[kaden101]

You're talking "strictly" about personal preference. What's good for you isn't necessarily good for me + the other millions of people who have chosen consoles instead of a PC for gaming. Personally, I think there's room for both, but that still doesn't make consoles redundant.

Anyway, wasn't this supposed to be about how shit Crysis 2 is on PC's?

 

[goldjacket]

I would buy a console if it had mouse and keyboard support for FPS's.

 

[Filiprino]

[citation][nom]kaden101[/nom]You're talking "strictly" about personal preference. What's good for you isn't necessarily good for me + the other millions of people who have chosen consoles instead of a PC for gaming. Personally, I think there's room for both, but that still doesn't make consoles redundant.Anyway, wasn't this supposed to be about how shit Crysis 2 is on PC's?[/citation]
No, I'm not talking strictly based on personal preference. Consoles are redundant because PCs can do what consoles, and do it better. PCs are more hardware capable, have more and better functionality, can use the same controls as consoles, and have nearly the same ease of use as consoles. You can say I'm talking about preference, but if I talked about preference I would say you can buy consoles if you like them and you are ok with them, as I said before, but doing so does not mean consoles are the best choice, because you are basing your election on only one part of the equation, and for it being the best solution the equation must be balanced. Consoles aren't balanced in any way.