[citation][nom]chimera201[/nom]U pay 60$ for the game and then u call the game free. My common sense is failing me here.Guild Wars 2 might be the only MMO that stood up to World of Warcraft that had a s**ty subscription model.U are probably comparing to this subscription model.But maybe the reason why it stood up to World of Warcraft was because u had to pay only once.Most F2P are P2W . Either u spend ur precious lifetime progressing through the game or directly buy things to get ahead easily.The latter holds true in most cases.[/citation]
free to play with any other game comes in at you get the game for free...
free to play with an mmo is when you dont pay the monthly rate we are use to
look at lotro, i do believe they lock out significant portions of the game that you have to pay to get access to, about 2-5$ a zone, and that modle is still free to play.
the way i see guild wars 2 is i payed for all the zones up front, somehow people forget that hundreds of thousands of people play that game, and that the 60$ up front is not enough to fully support it and continued development, and that is where a subscription is had, but instead of a subscription, they put a f2p money shop and lock several parts of the game from you to access, from character slots, inventory slots, and from what i have experianced so far, very little in the way of character appearance is changeable in game (your armor and such) those being things you need to buy a skin for.
i dont get what people are so against saying guild wars 2 is a premium free to play game, its a shining example of where it will get you if done right.
you pay with time you invest? worng definition of pay to win... start calling BF3 pay to win if thats part of it.
pay to win is when you buy power directly, or the game locks out guns from the in game currency and forces you to buy them to be competitive.
take it this way, planet side 2.
all guns are side grades, its up to your style to really say which is better than the other, because numbers there is no ultimate gun
than there are games where yes, ranks in guns means some are obviously better, and you can out right buy them, but cant equip till you are the level you can equip them... at that point its also not pay to win because it won't let you buy power, and only lets you have it when otherpeople would normaly have access to it.
i cant think of an example of pay 2 win off the top of my head, and the closet i can think of it was when gunz the dual went from international to north american and that money shop locked guns out and you had to pay for them.
[citation][nom]hoofhearted[/nom]@alidan Do you know the definition of the word "free"? If you are forced to buy the base game, then how is that "free"? Now if you really mean there isn't the typical MMO monthly subscription fee, then that is something different, not "FREE".As for FTP, you get what you pay for and the goal of FTP is for the developer and publisher to keep a steady cash flow coming in, not to produce the best possible gaming experience upfront in order to get reviews and hence good sales.Maybe FTP is a blessing in disguise. It will mean there will be a few publishers who will stick to the traditional retail model. In that vein, it will make it easier for me to disciminate the bad games from the good games. I will simply say there no good FTP. Hell, I haven't even play a subscription based MMO. No WOW for me. I certainly hope Bethesda's MMO fails (unless it has the same model as GW and GW2).[/citation]
the goal of a free to play is to have people constantly playing, and even in the case where only a small precent pay for the game it is hopefully enough that it pays for the development, and that the free players stay on to make the pay players happy.
free toplay isnt a constant milk fest like you think, and if the game is, its not worth playing at all.