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Peter D Bakija wrote:
> Yeah, see, when such a deck (i.e. again, the one in question) works
> normally, it often has less pool than its prey. So for Uriah to not defect,
> things need to work *not* normally.
There's no self-evident reason why you will have less pool than your
prey. You spend less, that's not in question. You have perfectly fine
forward momentum with a horde of weenies. You have the ability to exert
minion control on your predator. You have just as good, if not better,
means to gain pool via combat, taste, and blood dolls/tribute. So
unless you've got some new argument, I say you do *not* have less pool,
and everything that follows from saying you do crumbles.
> See, again, he costs more than 1 pool. He costs a crypt draw.
Every vampire does. It's a wash.
> And if you
> need to replace him (in the reasonable likelyhood of him defecting)
You keep asserting this, but you've yet to offer any solid argument for
it being true.
> So you don't play decks like this. So how the hell do you know how they work
> such that you can claim an ironclad certainty?
C'mon man. You've been around for a long time. You *know* I see weenie
decks all the time. I don't need to build it myself. You know, I've
never played Kindred Spirits bleed, but I bet I can break that deck down
for you pretty quickly, too (on account of it being so simple). And
anyway, I played my share of weenies back in the day, just like I played
my share of Malk bleed back then, too.
> You don't gain pool. Or at least very little.
Very little compared to.... what? I 2 cap with a Blood Doll can hunt
just like a 10 cap with a blood doll, except that you can actually
afford to have a designated 2 cap hunter/bloater, something a 10 cap
can't do. And you play Taste. This "don't gain pool" argument is
nonsense.
> And you have no way to block
> anything at +1 stealth or bounce bleeds.
This much is true, although you could block one stealth actions if you
built for it. Of course, you tell everyone to not bother, but some
people play the media outlets. Frankly, the wake/intercept angle of the
local weenie fortitude deck is one of its scarier elements.
> Yes, when everything works
> perfectly, you don't take any damage, ever, as you torporize everything in
> reach. But that doesn't happen so much. Mostly, it is very knife edge till
> you get your first VP.
There's that "perfectly" again. You still haven't made any argument why
it's not just "average".
> No, no. Weenie Rush decks live on a knife edge. We are talking about Rush
> decks (specifically, one with lots of weenie pot and Thrown Gates and
> Traps), remember?
Nothing that spends six pool, is in the game, and is killing vampires is
"knife edge".
>>Straw man. Nobody said anything about sweeping tables. The test is how
>>often you keep him, and if you do lose him, whether it is particularly
>>bad for you, relatively to the amount of "poolness" you got out of him
>>before it happens. And I don't play weenie decks.
> So come back when you do.
I've got perfectly good arguments, ones you haven't really addressed
except by repeated assertions of "perfectness". And again, I don't need
to play the decks to understand them.
--
David Cherryholmes
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"OK. So be it. It's not my view, but whatever makes you
happy, right? I'm all about making you happy, Dave.
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-- LSJ, V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc.
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