Discussion: Intel Cannonlake (Formerly Skymont) & Kaby Lake

[The_Tester]

I honestly believe we are not too far away from dual CPU boards being a common thing in the performance consumer market. Who doesn't want a 600W peltier cooler attached to a couple 4.5GHz 12 core black holes to get that carbon offset these days??? seriously, the price of a really nice Z97 or Z170, is about the same as a really nice X99. The exponential slowing of "fun tech" might give the rest of the world a chance to catch up and make something higher than 1080P a true mainstream standard. I mean come one, highway speed limits are determined in part by how fast a loaded dumptruck can stop in rain, in the 70's on bald tires. Maybe just make "them" drive slower and the rest of us drive our cars faster than half it's f****** rated speed???

There is a point where you just can't do anymore with what got, so you make it do the same thing more efficiently with less waste.

 

[TechyInAZ]

I honestly believe we are not too far away from dual CPU boards being a common thing in the performance consumer market. Who doesn't want a 600W peltier cooler attached to a couple 4.5GHz 12 core black holes to get that carbon offset these days??? seriously, the price of a really nice Z97 or Z170, is about the same as a really nice X99. The exponential slowing of "fun tech" might give the rest of the world a chance to catch up and make something higher than 1080P a true mainstream standard. I mean come one, highway speed limits are determined in part by how fast a loaded dumptruck can stop in rain, in the 70's on bald tires. Maybe just make "them" drive slower and the rest of us drive our cars faster than half it's f****** rated speed???

There is a point where you just can't do anymore with what got, so you make it do the same thing more efficiently with less waste.

I honestly doubt we'll be going to dual CPU boards for the mainstream market anytime soon. The biggest holdup for dual CPU boards is how many cores CPUs have these days. With 10-40 core CPUs now here, we'll probably have 80-100 core CPUs in the future.

It's much more efficient to use a single CPU with just as many cores as two CPUs with the same cores combined. Or rather, it would be better if Intel and AMD put all their manpower into shrinking and multiplying cores on a single CPU rather than using manpower to create all the necessary chipsets for dual CPU configs.

Plus, for mainstream, there aren't many programs that can use 14-20 cores.

 

[manleysteele]

We already know there are going to be 6 core SKU's in the mobile space with Coffee Lake. Every indication is that there will be 6 core Coffee Lake desktop SKU's with some form of (scaled?) graphics processor. The obvious questions, at least to me, is, "Will we see 6 core Cannonlake mainstream SKU's?", and if so, "How long before their is an 8 core mainstream SKU with graphics scaled to match?" These 2 questions spawn some others I haven't bothered posing, but if any of this comes to pass, I'm certainly willing to revisit.

 

[MrN1ce9uy]

I'm intrigued by these upcoming hyper-threaded Pentium processors. How do you think the G4600 will compare to the i3-6100? How are they different from the i3? Some Pentiums even have the HD 630 Graphics.

http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/processors/pentium/pentium-processor.html

 

[-Fran-]

I'm intrigued by these upcoming hyper-threaded Pentium processors. How do you think the G4600 will compare to the i3-6100? How are they different from the i3? Some Pentiums even have the HD 630 Graphics.

http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/processors/pentium/pentium-processor.html

Less cache, less speed, disabled instructions (AVX in particular being the most painful one) and features.

Cheers!

 

[sarinaide]

Run the risk of cannibalising their own products, Intel have to many SKU's, T and P line parts are just unnecessary and making a Pentium a I3 is just not what you want given that if it so works out that AMD prices the SR3 as low as the sub $200 bracket, it will make everything from a Pentium to i5 irrelevent if ultimate performance at low cost is the intention.

Intel should consider killing off the Pentium and Celerons, make cheaper i3's and i5's, by that I don't mean a cheap 6400esque type CPU which is largely underwhelming for gaming users due to the low frequency. I am talking about a $150 6600K type part. that will at least keep them competitive vs the agressive pricing on the SR3.

 

[MrN1ce9uy]

Your $150 6600K is (they tried) the $177 i3-7350K. It should have been $150.

 

[TechyInAZ]

I5 for $150!!! That's a bit cheap in my opinion.

The pricing is actually pretty good right now, the only thing I'd lower is the price of the i7s, but core i3s and i5s are fine.

I can see a lower end i3 for $90, that would be good, but for the rest, their fine. The core i5 and even i3 perform very well in general tasks that people do.

 

[PC-4LIFE]

I5 for $150!!! That's a bit cheap in my opinion.

The pricing is actually pretty good right now, the only thing I'd lower is the price of the i7s, but core i3s and i5s are fine.

I can see a lower end i3 for $90, that would be good, but for the rest, their fine. The core i5 and even i3 perform very well in general tasks that people do.

Damn yeah, TOO cheap. I got my i5 6600k for £220 last month.

 

[8350rocks]

I5 for $150!!! That's a bit cheap in my opinion.

The pricing is actually pretty good right now, the only thing I'd lower is the price of the i7s, but core i3s and i5s are fine.

I can see a lower end i3 for $90, that would be good, but for the rest, their fine. The core i5 and even i3 perform very well in general tasks that people do.

Considering that the rumor mill is pointing to a $200 4c/8t entry Ryzen processor, probably with clocks in the low 4 GHz range, and overclockable...I think i5s are going to be considered overpriced. You would essentially be getting the equivalent of a 6700K for $200 at that point if the speculation is accurate.

 

[Martell1977]

Considering that the rumor mill is pointing to a $200 4c/8t entry Ryzen processor, probably with clocks in the low 4 GHz range, and overclockable...I think i5s are going to be considered overpriced. You would essentially be getting the equivalent of a 6700K for $200 at that point if the speculation is accurate.

I think the rumor mill is going off the deep end with this one(not uncommon). If AMD has a solid performer, which is seems they do, they will likely undercut Intel but I doubt by that much. They need to make a good profit from this gen to prevent bankruptcy, I really don't think they can afford to undercut by that much.

If Cannonlake follows the trend of other Intel releases, it will be about 5% faster than Kaby and AMD will have a huge opening to pass Intel.

 

[MrN1ce9uy]

Userbenchmark (for what it's worth) shows the i3-7350K the same as the i5-4690K in overall scoring. This includes the overclocked benchmark scores. I'm guessing it averages out all scores? It's a tradeoff on single-core to quad-core performance of course. http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i3-7350K-vs-Intel-Core-i5-4690K/3889vs2432

 

[jimmysmitty]

Considering that the rumor mill is pointing to a $200 4c/8t entry Ryzen processor, probably with clocks in the low 4 GHz range, and overclockable...I think i5s are going to be considered overpriced. You would essentially be getting the equivalent of a 6700K for $200 at that point if the speculation is accurate.

I think the rumor mill is going off the deep end with this one(not uncommon). If AMD has a solid performer, which is seems they do, they will likely undercut Intel but I doubt by that much. They need to make a good profit from this gen to prevent bankruptcy, I really don't think they can afford to undercut by that much.

If Cannonlake follows the trend of other Intel releases, it will be about 5% faster than Kaby and AMD will have a huge opening to pass Intel.

And AMD doesn't want a price war with Intel. Intels margins are much wider than AMDs, even without the FAB overhead.

And Cannonlake is a die shrink to 10nm so 5% is probably a good guess but the real benefit will be the power savings.

Of course Intel could be holding something up its sleeve. I highly doubt they are not ready for an eventual AMD uprising.

 

[sarinaide]

I am told by a tech writer from my country that Nvidia are reacting to AMD in a consumer beneficial way, It is still rumour but there may be sub 1000 dollar Titans. I can expect the same with Intel, they will have no choice but to react to however aggressive AMD decides to price their SKU's.

The general feeling lately and following CES is that AMD are genuinely competitive on both sides now and that is great for people like me that want to upgrade and now have a choice that suites performance and price needs.

It is doubtful whether I could afford a 8/16 Ryzen anyways but I would love a potent 4 / 8 Zen and maybe Intel will have something close to that that is more interesting than a low clock, low turbo SKU with no bells or whistles.

 

[MrN1ce9uy]

Intel's 10nm Cannon Lake CPUs coming in 2017

Read more: http://www.tweaktown.com/news/55800/intels-10nm-cannon-lake-cpus-coming-2017/index.html

 

[Tenslaster2980]

MERGED QUESTION
Question from SeverinV : "Using kaby lake on windows 7 ?"

So i know kaby lake will only support windows 10 officially.
But what does it mean exactly ?
I won't be able to install windows 7 ?
It won't be able to use hyperthreading on kaby lake ?
I read that installing kaby lake on os lower then windows 10 will disable the ability to use it's advance features ?
What exacly are those advance features ?
It is a freaking cpu.
Thanks,

So i know kaby lake will only support windows 10 officially.
But what does it mean exactly ?
I won't be able to install windows 7 ?
It won't be able to use hyperthreading on kaby lake ?
I read that installing kaby lake on os lower then windows 10 will disable the ability to use it's advance features ?
What exacly are those advance features ?
It is a freaking cpu.
Thanks,

I wouldn't risk it. Kaby Lake will probably be most compatible with Windows 10.

 

[TechyInAZ]

Intel's 10nm Cannon Lake CPUs coming in 2017

Read more: http://www.tweaktown.com/news/55800/intels-10nm-cannon-lake-cpus-coming-2017/index.html

Wish I had an excuse to upgrade to CannonLake. It used to be the one on my upgrade plan, but with how fast my current haswell system is, I'll probably have to wait until TigerLake to get anymore speed!

 

[SeverinV]

MERGED QUESTION
Question from SeverinV : "Using kaby lake on windows 7 ?"

So i know kaby lake will only support windows 10 officially.
But what does it mean exactly ?
I won't be able to install windows 7 ?
It won't be able to use hyperthreading on kaby lake ?
I read that installing kaby lake on os lower then windows 10 will disable the ability to use it's advance features ?
What exacly are those advance features ?
It is a freaking cpu.
Thanks,

So i know kaby lake will only support windows 10 officially.
But what does it mean exactly ?
I won't be able to install windows 7 ?
It won't be able to use hyperthreading on kaby lake ?
I read that installing kaby lake on os lower then windows 10 will disable the ability to use it's advance features ?
What exacly are those advance features ?
It is a freaking cpu.
Thanks,

I wouldn't risk it. Kaby Lake will probably be most compatible with Windows 10.

So if i am using windows 7, the only options are skylake,haswell or fx cpu ?
That you are saying.
Damn i was hoping i would buy new architecture and manage to get it to work with win 7 somehow.

 

[PC-4LIFE]

MERGED QUESTION
Question from SeverinV : "Using kaby lake on windows 7 ?"

So i know kaby lake will only support windows 10 officially.
But what does it mean exactly ?
I won't be able to install windows 7 ?
It won't be able to use hyperthreading on kaby lake ?
I read that installing kaby lake on os lower then windows 10 will disable the ability to use it's advance features ?
What exacly are those advance features ?
It is a freaking cpu.
Thanks,

So i know kaby lake will only support windows 10 officially.
But what does it mean exactly ?
I won't be able to install windows 7 ?
It won't be able to use hyperthreading on kaby lake ?
I read that installing kaby lake on os lower then windows 10 will disable the ability to use it's advance features ?
What exacly are those advance features ?
It is a freaking cpu.
Thanks,

I wouldn't risk it. Kaby Lake will probably be most compatible with Windows 10.

So if i am using windows 7, the only options are skylake,haswell or fx cpu ?
That you are saying.
Damn i was hoping i would buy new architecture and manage to get it to work with win 7 somehow.

If you're cheap like me, you could just choose "I don't have a product key" when installing windows 10 from a USB or CD.

The demo lasts infinitely as far as I know, I mean it's worked for 2 months for me so far.

The only problem is that there is a little watermark reminding you to upgrade on the bottom right. Restarting your computer get's rid of it for many hours, but it'll be back.

 

[SeverinV]

MERGED QUESTION
Question from SeverinV : "Using kaby lake on windows 7 ?"

So i know kaby lake will only support windows 10 officially.
But what does it mean exactly ?
I won't be able to install windows 7 ?
It won't be able to use hyperthreading on kaby lake ?
I read that installing kaby lake on os lower then windows 10 will disable the ability to use it's advance features ?
What exacly are those advance features ?
It is a freaking cpu.
Thanks,

So i know kaby lake will only support windows 10 officially.
But what does it mean exactly ?
I won't be able to install windows 7 ?
It won't be able to use hyperthreading on kaby lake ?
I read that installing kaby lake on os lower then windows 10 will disable the ability to use it's advance features ?
What exacly are those advance features ?
It is a freaking cpu.
Thanks,

I wouldn't risk it. Kaby Lake will probably be most compatible with Windows 10.

So if i am using windows 7, the only options are skylake,haswell or fx cpu ?
That you are saying.
Damn i was hoping i would buy new architecture and manage to get it to work with win 7 somehow.

If you're cheap like me, you could just choose "I don't have a product key" when installing windows 10 from a USB or CD.

The demo lasts infinitely as far as I know, I mean it's worked for 2 months for me so far.

The only problem is that there is a little watermark reminding you to upgrade on the bottom right. Restarting your computer get's rid of it for many hours, but it'll be back.

I am against privacy concerns introduced in windows 10, so if that " i do not have product key " will eliminate privacy concerns, i will use it otherwise i probably won't be touching windows 10.

 

[8350rocks]

MERGED QUESTION
Question from SeverinV : "Using kaby lake on windows 7 ?"

So i know kaby lake will only support windows 10 officially.
But what does it mean exactly ?
I won't be able to install windows 7 ?
It won't be able to use hyperthreading on kaby lake ?
I read that installing kaby lake on os lower then windows 10 will disable the ability to use it's advance features ?
What exacly are those advance features ?
It is a freaking cpu.
Thanks,

So i know kaby lake will only support windows 10 officially.
But what does it mean exactly ?
I won't be able to install windows 7 ?
It won't be able to use hyperthreading on kaby lake ?
I read that installing kaby lake on os lower then windows 10 will disable the ability to use it's advance features ?
What exacly are those advance features ?
It is a freaking cpu.
Thanks,

I wouldn't risk it. Kaby Lake will probably be most compatible with Windows 10.

So if i am using windows 7, the only options are skylake,haswell or fx cpu ?
That you are saying.
Damn i was hoping i would buy new architecture and manage to get it to work with win 7 somehow.

If you're cheap like me, you could just choose "I don't have a product key" when installing windows 10 from a USB or CD.

The demo lasts infinitely as far as I know, I mean it's worked for 2 months for me so far.

The only problem is that there is a little watermark reminding you to upgrade on the bottom right. Restarting your computer get's rid of it for many hours, but it'll be back.

I am against privacy concerns introduced in windows 10, so if that " i do not have product key " will eliminate privacy concerns, i will use it otherwise i probably won't be touching windows 10.

Then, get ubuntu 16.04 LTS...

 

[Martell1977]

I am against privacy concerns introduced in windows 10, so if that " i do not have product key " will eliminate privacy concerns, i will use it otherwise i probably won't be touching windows 10.

You do realize that Microsoft patched in telemetry to Windows 7 and 8, right?

 

[TechyInAZ]

I'm happy to announce that we finally have a CPU megathread dedicated to Kaby Lake! This thread will now be closed and all Kaby Lake info & discussions will be moved to this thread: http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/id-3306316/intel-7000-series-kaby-lake-megathread-faq-resources.html

I know this thread is also dedicated to CannonLake, however there is not a whole ton of info about it right now. Plus, this thread is almost a duplicate of our Intel's Future Chips: News, Rumours & Reviews

Thank you all for participating!