Do I need a Threadripper or Ryzen 7

Apr 1, 2018
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Hello,

So I do Music Production, Composition and editing as well as gaming.
My question evolves around the section and ram selection as it's been a while since I built a PC.

I would like to know do I need a Threadripper, for this or will a Ryzen 7 suffice?
If I go with Thread Ripper it will be sat in Asus ROG Zenith Extreme X399, this is because it provides all I'd like plus extras should I wish too.
If I was to go with Ryzen 7 I don't know what motherboard to get as not looked into it.

Memory/RAM - If I was to put a Speed of Ram in that is mentioned under the OC section ( 8 x DIMM, Max. 128GB, DDR4 3600(O.C.)/3200(O.C.)/2800(O.C.)/2666/2400/2133 MHz ECC and non-ECC, Un-buffered) of compatible speeds will it automatically set the motherboard to use it or will I have to do it manually?

NVMe SSD - I have only ever used SATA SSD, what am I looking for in this I know it needs to be M.2 M key not B key, but that's all I know, I have read the Samsung Evo Sticks are a fantastic choice.

GPU - I currently have a 8GB Asus Radeon RX 580 ROG STRIX GAMING OC so I have no need to upgrade

PSU - I have Corsair 850 Watt RM850x Fully Modular ATX - Will I need to upgrade this? I wouldn't have thought so it will supply enough power using an online PSU calculator it came out at 605w so the 850w will be strong enough.

Case - NZXT Source 530 - Their website says the Zenith Extreme Motherboard is comparable. CPU Clarence CPU Cooler 183mm - I was thinking the Noctua NH-U14S TR4-SP3 but would it be worth going for a 3 fan Water Cooler for the TR4 socket? as I have room on the top of the case for it?

Reasons to upgrade from my Current FX8350 CPU, It is bottle necking so badly I can no longer process my music it will not complete the encoding/compiling without failing.
I have chosen the Threadripper as I want to future proof my system by going overboard now rather than later while I can afford it.
I have a Budget of about £1500 - the Threadripper CPU is on sale almost everywhere I have looked, So DO I need the 8 Core, 12 core or the 16 core? (I would love to get 16cores but I know I have no need for that much raw power) I think the 8 core is enough but If I can get a 12core is it worth it?

Anything else anyone can add to this as advice for me?
I upgraded to the FX8350 from an Athlon X2.
I have since upgraded all software to latest versions.
On the odd chance anyone recommends Intel, I have to decline to recommendation as I have no good experiance except a one time Core2Duo, and now my Macbook 2006.

 

PdxPetmonster

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You're choice really depends on how threaded the software's you use are. If they feast on threads, then I'd go Threadripper, but if they're somewhat limited, I'd go Ryzen. You're video card and power supply should be just fine, and yes, Samsung M.2 drives are amazing, so that'd be a really good choice.

As for threadripper core count, again, that depends on your software. Personally I'd wait a little bit and go with the 2920X, with the 12/24 core/thread count. The new TR will be coming out here shortly, and all X399 boards will be able to accept them with a bios flash, so you could still use the motherboard you mentioned.

If you went Ryzen, the 2700X along with a X470 board (Asus, Asrock Taichi, etc), should all be just fine.

Personally I'd go with a 360 AIO IF I went first gen TR or Ryzen. Second gen, and maybe even first gen TR, you could go with the Wraith Ripper fan, which is supposed to be pretty good as well. I've got a 360 AIO and it works like a charm for my OC'd 2700X.
 
CPU: A lot of work is still single core dependent. It all depends on the software and what you are doing. As you seem to be doing all stages. There will likely be times more threads come in handy. I'd look for CPU benchmarks on the specific software you use though. How is your FX 8350 being loaded out? Is just one or two cores maxing out or all of them. If just one or two get an 8700K or Ryzen 2700x. If all eight get a Threadripper 12 or 16 Core although I'd wait for the imminent Threadripper 2.

RAM: Make sure the RAM is on your motherboards memory support list (QVL). No, it is not automatic. You should just need to load the XMP profile in the BIOS if the RAM is on the QVL. If it isn't on the QVL you will be futzing around with voltage and timing. If it ever works at full speed.

SSD: If you are getting a new motherboard with M.2 slots. Nearly all have them except the cheapest trash. It will support NVMe SSD. You shouldn't have to spend time worrying about any of that M Key/B Key. A new NVMe M.2 SSD should be compatible with a new motherboard with M.2 slot. Especially a Samsung SSD.

Audio card: If you are in audio. I'd think you'd want some high end card.

Cooling: Noctua should be fine. I don't really care for liquid cooling and big air competes well with higher end AIO water.

PSU: Fine. No need to change.

Case: That case should fit about any configuration you want.
 
Apr 1, 2018
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Thank you for the responses,

I did forget to mention the Sound Card, I have an Allen and Heath ZED R16 I use that onboard sound card via the Firewire port, of which I will buy a PCIe card.

It seems there is a limit to the threads Cubase can use.
I use Cubase, Sibelius and Finale.
Eastwest Play engine, BFD 3, Kontakt and many other VST totalling 2.8TB on a 7200 HDD
Steam Games, Assassins Creed and GTA plus a few others. 500GB

on the very odd chance I do the occasional photoshop processing of images I have taken, but it's rare.
I do the occasional Live recording but that is processed by the mixing desk and it's onboard sound card and then sent into Cubase.

RAM, I did far more research into this, and as you have mentioned only use the QVL RAM so I will go through the list, I know I want 32GB RAM as a starting point. but RAM prices are very high so may have stick with the SATA SSD for now and wait to get the NVMe stick.

CPU, the maxing out depends entirely on what tracks I am working on many of the compositions will start with between 8 and 60 or so tracks and expand out to be able to process each articulation individually each voice and slur, every legato, and to process the reverb so make it sound as real as possible. Was many will understand you can't cheap out on processing something like this.
At the moment, I am struggling with which Threadripper, I am not bothered about the version as current prices make it more affordable, and by time I will want to upgrade the core will either be it's failed or is outdated and not sufficient any longer so 8 core or 12?
 
Personally I think now the Ryzen 2700x is out it's made the lower end TR completely defunct & you honestly have no need for the 1950x.

The 2700x is a phenomenal multitasker with much stronger single core ipc than any TR chip

Its half the price , as is even a high end x470 board.

See where im going

£800 gets you this, including 32gb ram & a 480gb nvme drive.


PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 2700X 3.7GHz 8-Core Processor (£273.99 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: ASRock - Fatal1ty X470 Gaming K4 ATX AM4 Motherboard (£156.46 @ More Computers)
Memory: ADATA - 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR4-3000 Memory (£260.08 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: ADATA - XPG SX8200 480GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive (£115.72 @ More Computers)
Total: £806.25
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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