Question Do you ignore Nvidia GPUs because of it's data collection via GeForce Experience?

[klavs]

I've been wondering if people refuse to buy Nvidia GPUs because the GeForece Experience requires you to create an account and/or because of the data collection?

I myself would prefer an Nividia GPU but have decided to buy AMD this time, because I wont support surveillance. We are paying for the product, we are not getting it for free.

Previously I just didn't install GeForce Experience, and hoped for them to change their code of conduct, but I have decided to not buy their products anymore.

 

[Tac 25]

the poll has mysteriously disappeared.

 

[USAFRet]

Some months ago, I installed my first NVidia GPU in a LONG time.

I did not create a GEFORCE Experience account.

My 1660 ti works just fine.
Ergo, it is NOT required.


And if the anonymized game stats it may send are a main concern for you, you are looking at the wrong thing.

 

[KyaraM]

I wanted to see how people vote on the subject. I told you this before.







So if people can see me when I go outside, I should do everything outside? If there is a camera on the street, then I should install cameras in my house too?



Let's get one thing straight. It's my post. You are the one talking to me, and being very polite and nice while doing it. Thank you for that.



I know, you have written that multiple times now. I do understand you. I know how you rationalize with regards to what we have been discussing. I've been there - in your shoes. And I have had this debate from your side of the fence decades ago. Going into details, and really make you understand, would require me to break the forum rules AND when you finally understand, judging from the way you debate, you would still claim it makes no sense, to not lose face.

When you communicate with a host, there are other parties that monitor (or is privy to) the traffic, and they make sure the data is not anonymized, regardless of the policies of the parties that claim to anonymize it. It does not matter if you are lawful like me or not.

Some people chose to alter their behavior to support activities that they don't agree with, as little as possible.

Maybe stop talking to people as if they are children or just dumb, then, if you want to be understood. Oh, and btw, two people take part in conversations, it's not all about you here, so yes, I talk to you and you to me. And stop putting words in their mouths, that only makes people angry. I do everything I can to block tracking services and the like. I'm just not so naive to think I can ever block it all, especially considering that I need a smart phone and computer hooked up to the internet at all times for work. Because, well, some people work in tech. I also play games online, so I can't block that, either. All I can do is mitigate, and I do mitigate whenever I can. I'm just no fool thinking I can escape it all. and, once again, as everyone else here understands and seems to agree. It doesn't matter if you go AMD or Nvidia. Both collect your data whenever they can. Experience is an optional service you may or may not use. People here obvious do not feel forced to use it or make an account to use Nvidia drivers and features. Features that are, again, fully option and unnecessary for operation of the cards. If you don't want to understand that, then the issue lies with you, not any of us. And now I'm having enough of this and will ignore you in a friendly and polite way. Bye

 

[DSzymborski]

Thank you yet again for your very kind and polite reply, even though you explicitly said you wouldn't reply.

If a company creates software that requires registration/mentoring or whatever, then they make software that requires said features, regardless of the choices you or I take, or our opinions. Feel free to post yet another kind message, where you show just how well articulated you, your nuanced understanding and views, and what your intentions are.

The fundamental problem going through the thread isn't that you don't have a choice, it's that you want to force other parties to not have a choice.

Nvidia offers special software that is not needed to run their hardware. They offer this software conditionally, with specific conditions. You have the choice to either accept their offer and use the software or decline their offer if you don't want to use their software.

It's their choice to offer a product and set the conditions on which other people can use their product. You want to take away their choice; you get the benefit of what they offer without the associated cost.

What you're seeking is not "choice," but to get the benefits associated with a product without having to pay the cost of the benefit.

 

[klavs]

What you're seeking is not "choice," but to get the benefits associated with a product without having to pay the cost of the benefit.

I've tried to explain it a couple of times, and seem to fail. So I will now exaggerate to make a point.

I find surveillance to be gross, like stalking and worse. Like if I buy food and water at the supermarket, and to fully use the products, I have to let them <Removed by moderator> . And it has become accepted (I consider the people that don't care to accept it) by everybody (at least in this thread), because I can disable some of it. That's how I look at it. And as some say, it is now so wide spread that you have to take extra actions, even extreme actions, to avoid it.

Second, if a company have these practices, then that company has these practices regardless of if I stop trading with them, or if I refuse to drink the water I bought from them.

Third, some companies do less of this than others.

 

[bignastyid]

Before this devolves any further, this thread is now closed.

 

[klavs]

GeForce experience is completely optional.

It is not optional, if I want to use the features it provides, and an alternate brand offers a similar alternative, that doesn't add surveillance.

It isn't even a required component of using said device.

It's required if the user wants the features it implements, and if another brand offers the same features without the surveillance, then it's a valid reason to avoid nvidia.

Initially GeForce experience didn't require any registration, and I loved the features it provided, without having to install third party software.

You do NOT have to install it in order to install Nvidia driver

As you can see by the vote I created, it implies that you can just install the driver.

The products you buy promotes the objectives of the companies producing them. It supports their policies.

 

[klavs]

If that is your reasoning, I got bad news for you...Sorry to burst your bubble, but this is one of the most naive takes I have seen lately...

Can you be more specific? I would like to know the assumptions you did based on what I have written.

I read that you can disable it and AMD doesn't require you to register an account to use their equivalent to the GeForce experience. I may be disinformed. I also recall that I had to be online and logged on to use GE, but it may have changed since (8 years ago I think).

Also, not allowing users to disable data collection EASILLY is illegal according to the European GDPR. I am located in Europe, but many users of these forums aren't - and many US companies of course ignore European law, when providing/selling their services in Europe.

We could also be proactive and suggest solutions, like blocking ipnames and ipaddresses, blocking selected services from accessing the internet and other workarounds, like suggesting alternative software that doesn't do data collection.

 

[klavs]

Shadowplay? Windows has those features built in

Yes, if you want to use the windows "xbox game bar" and get fewer FPS.

Is NVIDIA holding a gun to your head and telling you you must use GeForce Experience or something?

Where did I write I was forced to use GeForce Experience? Did you see the options I created for the vote?

My current setup is nvidia, and I am buying a new system, and I uninstalled GE the second they required you to register ... 8-9 years ago? And use alternatives already (OBS + ffmpeg).

 

[klavs]

If you know you can disable data collection then I really don't get your issue. AMD does it, too, so that argument is completely moot.

So AMD forces you to be registered and online to use the equivalent to GE? The vote was not created with the intention to debate anything. I naively assumed people would vote and state their reason, like I did, and not make strawman arguments based on assumptions.

then I really don't get your issue

The point was to see how people vote, which to me shows something that I will not discuss on these forums, ie. politics. If you want a hint you can search for 'political ponerology", but I strongly suggest we only debate it privately, if you want to do that.

If that is your reasoning, I got bad news for you...Sorry to burst your bubble, but this is one of the most naive takes I have seen lately...

What assumptions are you making? What did I explicitly write to cause these assumptions?

 

[klavs]

why the heck is any of this an issue for you?

I wanted to see how people vote on the subject. I told you this before.

No, that is NOT my opinion, at all, don't put words in my mouth. It's simply reality

you do go online somehow anyways

So if people can see me when I go outside, I should do everything outside? If there is a camera on the street, then I should install cameras in my house too?

the fact that you are even talking to me right now

Let's get one thing straight. It's my post. You are the one talking to me, and being very polite and nice while doing it. Thank you for that.

It makes no sense!

I know, you have written that multiple times now. I do understand you. I know how you rationalize with regards to what we have been discussing. I've been there - in your shoes. And I have had this debate from your side of the fence decades ago. Going into details, and really make you understand, would require me to break the forum rules AND when you finally understand, judging from the way you debate, you would still claim it makes no sense, to not lose face.

When you communicate with a host, there are other parties that monitor (or is privy to) the traffic, and they make sure the data is not anonymized, regardless of the policies of the parties that claim to anonymize it. It does not matter if you are lawful like me or not.

Some people chose to alter their behavior to support activities that they don't agree with, as little as possible.

 

[klavs]

Maybe stop talking to people as if they are children or just dumb

Maybe stop talking to people as if they are children or just dumb, then, if you want to be understood. Oh, and btw, two people take part in conversations, it's not all about you here, so yes, I talk to you and you to me. And stop putting words in their mouths, that only makes people angry. I do everything I can to block tracking services and the like. I'm just not so naive to think I can ever block it all, especially considering that I need a smart phone and computer hooked up to the internet at all times for work. Because, well, some people work in tech. I also play games online, so I can't block that, either. All I can do is mitigate, and I do mitigate whenever I can. I'm just no fool thinking I can escape it all. and, once again, as everyone else here understands and seems to agree. It doesn't matter if you go AMD or Nvidia. Both collect your data whenever they can. Experience is an optional service you may or may not use. People here obvious do not feel forced to use it or make an account to use Nvidia drivers and features. Features that are, again, fully option and unnecessary for operation of the cards. If you don't want to understand that, then the issue lies with you, not any of us. And now I'm having enough of this and will ignore you in a friendly and polite way. Bye

Thank you yet again for your very kind and polite reply, even though you explicitly said you wouldn't reply. But you lied. Same as when you said I put words in your mouth.

If a company creates software that requires registration/being online/etc or whatever, then they make software that requires said features, where some of them might be configurable, regardless of the choices you or I take, or our opinions ... ah I forgot, my opinions and your facts.

If one brand implements less of this, then that brand obviously implements ... less of it.