Question Do you think these upgrades would be a good idea ?

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My current setup:
MSI MAG X570 Tomahawk WiFi,
AMD Ryzen 5 3600XT,
ZOTAC GTX 1660,
32GB 16x2 GSKILL Trident Z Neo (F4-3200C16D-16GTZN),
Cooler Master MWE 750 Watts Bronze V2,
HP 22yh 1920 x 1080 @ 60 Hz (FHD).

Changes should be made to:
AMD Ryzen 7 5800X,
RTX 3080 TI,
16x4 or 32x2 4400mhz (Maybe later, not sure),
2560 x 1440 @ 165-240 Hz (2K QHD).

The following issue is causing me to change my RAM: https://forums.tomshardware.com/threads/ram-not-working-at-the-manufacturers-stated-speed.3803608/.

As I don't know much about monitors, I am also looking for suggestions on the brand and refresh rate of the monitor.
 
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Which slots are you using for your ram? A2 B2 (2nd 4th) slot from cpu? They should be in these slots as they are the primaries. If you are, try single stick in 2nd slot from cpu and test XMP. Could be ram though not fully compatible. Ryzen man, they're ok but always memory problems... Might try manually adjusting your ram if XMP preset fails. 1.35v for dram. If no go then look for recommended ram modules from memory manufacturers website such as Gskill where you can select your motherboard. It's possible one of your ram is just faulty, it can happen. Memtest86 or trying one stick at a time might tell you something.

https://www.gskill.com/configurator

Look for 2x 16GB, 3600. 4 dimms + higher than 3600 is just asking for more trouble.

If were to upgrade processor id go for 5800x3D if you play games.

Monitors, LG make good ones even Samsung are using their panels. UltraGear line are pretty good. Look at Rtings for reviews.

If you upgrade graphics card, before you do, replace that miserable psu. Go for Corsair Rm850x, something of that quality, 10yr warranty.

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Memory should be on the bottom of your list of things to upgrade, for most applications you will not even be able to detect the difference. This is mostly for the speed.

Some application might run better at with 64 rather than 32 but you need to watch the ram usage and see if you are actually getting 100% usage ever. It is not common if you are just playing games.

You are going to have to read all the fine print in the QVL list on the memory. In general 2 sticks of memory can run faster than 4. In addition running 64gbyte of memory in most motherboards means it must also run slower.

I agree with the above post spend any extra money on a 5800x3d you will see far more gain in games that any memory upgrade by a huge margin.
 
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Memory should be on the bottom of your list of things to upgrade, for most applications you will not even be able to detect the difference. This is mostly for the speed.
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Im assuming you mean speed will be more notable rather than capacity between the mentioned amounts. Considering XMP is giving them problems so they're forced to run them at default 2133.
 
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Which slots are you using for your ram? A2 B2 (2nd 4th) slot from cpu? They should be in these slots as they are the primaries. If you are, try single stick in 2nd slot from cpu and test XMP. Could be ram though not fully compatible. Ryzen man, they're ok but always memory problems... Might try manually adjusting your ram if XMP preset fails. 1.35v for dram. If no go then look for recommended ram modules from memory manufacturers website such as Gskill where you can select your motherboard. It's possible one of your ram is just faulty, it can happen. Memtest86 or trying one stick at a time might tell you something.

https://www.gskill.com/configurator

Look for 2x 16GB, 3600. 4 dimms + higher than 3600 is just asking for more trouble.

If were to upgrade processor id go for 5800x3D if you play games.

Monitors, LG make good ones even Samsung are using their panels. UltraGear line are pretty good. Look at Rtings for reviews.

If you upgrade graphics card, before you do, replace that miserable psu. Go for Corsair Rm850x, something of that quality, 10yr warranty.

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Adding XMP does work, but if I turn off and on the computer again after a few minutes, either the computer goes into a dead blue screen, bios bootloop or shuts down completely.

For now, everything is working fine; I will let you know when it stops working.
 
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boju said:
If it only does that when changing ram speed then it's the ram.

If i were you id go Intel.
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"Raising memory controller voltage on the CPU or manually setting the frequency, timing and voltage as per the sticker on the ram will usually fix it."

Would any of these help?

manually changing frequency and voltage also results in a blue dead screen.

Or If that doesn't work, I can just RMA the ram.
 
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Senheck said:
My current setup:
MSI MAG X570 Tomahawk WiFi,
AMD Ryzen 5 3600XT,
ZOTAC GTX 1660,
32GB 16x2 GSKILL Trident Z Neo (F4-3200C16D-16GTZN),
Cooler Master MWE 750 Watts Bronze V2,
HP 22yh 1920 x 1080 @ 60 Hz (FHD).

Changes should be made to:
AMD Ryzen 7 5800X,
RTX 3080 TI,
16x4 or 32x2 4400mhz (Maybe later, not sure),
2560 x 1440 @ 165-240 Hz (2K QHD).

The following issue is causing me to change my RAM: https://forums.tomshardware.com/threads/ram-not-working-at-the-manufacturers-stated-speed.3803608/.

As I don't know much about monitors, I am also looking for suggestions on the brand and refresh rate of the monitor.
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What country are you located and what is your budget?
 
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Senheck said:
"Raising memory controller voltage on the CPU or manually setting the frequency, timing and voltage as per the sticker on the ram will usually fix it."

Would any of these help?

manually changing frequency and voltage also results in a blue dead screen.

Or If that doesn't work, I can just RMA the ram.
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5xxx series (specifically 5800x3D) if were to upgrade will bring better memory support, as in much improved memory controller inside cpu. You can do that first then see what happens. If ram continues to be silly then change them.
 
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boju said:
5xxx series (specifically 5800x3D) if were to upgrade will bring better memory support, as in much improved memory controller inside cpu. You can do that first then see what happens. If ram continues to be silly then change them.
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I'd be unable to replace my PSU if I bought 5800x3D. What do you think?
 
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The value option is the 5700x. The normal 5800x can run pretty warm but if I’m not mistaken the 5700x will give 95% of the performance of the 5800x but should run a bit cooler. Then you would have room to upgrade the cpu cooler and psu if needed.

Are you in the USA? I’m curious as to why the 3080ti specifically.

Probably wouldn’t be a bad idea to look at the 6800xt, 7800xt, or the rtx 4070 and 4070 ti, though new Super cards are supposed to be days away so maybe some price drops?
 
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Just curious, did you update the mobo bios to the latest version?

And does the system work fine with a single stick in A2 with XMP at 3600?

Ryzen definitely has problems with 4 x ram kits. the best would be 2 x 16gb. 64gb only if you really utilise that much ram.

+1 5800X3D , extend the life of your platform as much as you can. considering this would be the last upgrade you do for that mobo.

Make sure the PSU is ATX 3.0. the 3080Ti requires it. the old Rmx 2021 models are not ATX 3.0
 
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boju said:
It does but Corsair handles that well, any decent psu will, 850w is enough. Maybe not for 3090. I'm running 11700k default turbo, no shut downs.



I agree
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I'm still somewhat perplexed between 3080 TI and 3090.

The new 4080 SUPER looks promising.

As well, the 4080 has reached end of life, which means the used market price will drop soon.

Is it better to wait for the used 4080 price to go down or to buy the new 4080 SUPER as soon as it is released?

What should I do? I think I'm going to wait for next gen GPUs because 40 series is kinda pathetic.
 
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Senheck said:
I'm still somewhat perplexed between 3080 TI and 3090.

The new 4080 SUPER looks promising.

As well, the 4080 has reached end of life, which means the used market price will drop soon.

Is it better to wait for the used 4080 price to go down or to buy the new 4080 SUPER as soon as it is released?

What should I do? I think I'm going to wait for next gen GPUs because 40 series is kinda pathetic.
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Could wait for 50 series. Until then, if you got the itch for something better to tie you over with, even a second hand 3060Ti (as a starting point) is doubled 1660 in performance.

See relative performance.
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-gtx-1660.c3365
 
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750w might be ok since cpu wouldn't be drawing much power leaving more for the graphics card but it's not just about wattage, it's how the psu will deal with over current and transient spikes. If it doesn't do well then you'll have sudden system reboots.

Id recommend minimum 850w. Corsair Rmx or this if cheaper
https://www.msi.com/Power-Supply/MPG-A850GF/Specification

I'm running 11700k, not overclocked, with 3080Ti on Rmx 850w for little over two years now and haven't had any issues.
 
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boju said:
750w might be ok since cpu wouldn't be drawing much power leaving more for the graphics card but it's not just about wattage, it's how the psu will deal with over current and transient spikes. If it doesn't do well then you'll have sudden system reboots.

Id recommend minimum 850w. Corsair Rmx or this if cheaper
https://www.msi.com/Power-Supply/MPG-A850GF/Specification

I'm running 11700k, not overclocked, with 3080Ti on Rmx 850w for little over two years now and haven't had any issues.
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I'm totally fine with buying a new power supply, but I want something that will work with Intel processors and the RTX 50 series too.

You know something like "that will be able to handle future components too"

What do you recommend?
 
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