Document Reveals How Samsung Used iPhone as Reference

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[citation][nom]cuecuemore[/nom]The big problem with our broken paradigm is that "we" (well, not I, nor anyone else with have a brain) think this is a bad thing. In reality, this is how innovation should work![/citation]

I would agree with this, but they didn't do any innovating. They copied it and DIDN'T improve on it.
 
[citation][nom]Meatymutawings[/nom]the problem for samsung is that they aren't "improving" upon the iphone, they were studying iphone's features to match up with it, if you go through the entire document, samsung did make a lot of improvements that wouldn't have been done without taking the designs from iphone, I think its fair for samsung to take some punishment for what they did.[/citation]

In that case Apple should be sued for every product they have made in the past year. (Ignoring that every company in existence has done the same damn thing)

Which is so much it would drain all of the 100 billion they have in the bank.

So yea, now that I think of it I do hope Samsung loses. If only for everyone else to then be able to win against Apple in return and destroy them.
 
[citation][nom]christarp[/nom]I would agree with this, but they didn't do any innovating. They copied it and DIDN'T improve on it.[/citation]

Go cry at Job's grave some more.
 
[citation][nom]christarp[/nom]Oh my. Look what we have here. Samsung deserves whatever it has coming its way.[/citation]

Yes they deserve to be the kings of mobile industry, and crapple deserves to die.

Not only samsung of course, but all of Android FTW!!
 
1. Apple's run on iOS, Samsung, Android
2. Apple use it's own design of Processor, Samsung use it's own processor.
3. Apple use retina, Samsung use AMOLED.
etc...
for the appearance, Apple looks cooler than Samsung, according to the UK judge.

so...?
 
i hope that samsung can strike back, and that for once samsung, google, microsoft and intel join forces to kill apple ASAP, that company must be stopped its like smith on matrix 3!
 
FFS Biased here much? Lets get a couple of facts straight, Android or the likes of Galaxy S, One etc. Wouldn't be where it's at now if it wasn't for the iPhone. That's just the truth. Fuck, I guarantee you if the iPhone never existed every one of you would still be coughing up hundreds of dallas for resistive touch screen. And don't even start on the grand-ma friendly UI. Apple nailed it right off the bat first go and everyone else followed down to the goddam fucking packaging, no argument. Even the software behind it, OMFG. And Android obviously wins in user control and customizability hands down, no, with all respect Steve Jobs breathing down your neck.

I have a Nokia E6 if you peeps are wondering, can't live without a physical keyboard.
 
Ford had a car with 4 round wheels first.
Chevy made a car with 4 round wheels next.
Chevy is obviously stealing the round wheel so Ford should sue.
 
well, dear old Steve himself said good artists copy, great artists steal. ahem.
 
"Android wouldn't be where it's at now if it wasn't for the iPhone". I guess all Apple fans agree they should all sell away their iPhone, Mac etc and give away the money to the company which originally made TRS-80...

Don't understand why after almost 30 years, Apple fanboys remains fanatical and without reasons...
 
The way I see it, Samsung technically didn't steal anything from Apple. It hired people, that took a lot of time analyzing the two devices and collecting a lot of data. That's work.
 
So let me get this strait, because they did an analysis of the leading product in the industry versus their own product, it proves infringement of IP? If that were the case, then everything in the world would be IP infringement. Everyone does their analysis versus the top product in the market .. its called market assessment.

Here's a unique thought, if they compared the iPhone to the Galaxy S and found things that didn't match, then the Galaxy S wasn't a copy :) Then you would have to look at what things they did copy from the analysis into future products, and of the things they copied, which of them can Apple actually enforce. Which features are truely unique, and which features are like the wheels on a car .. a generic feature.
 
Ford, during the development of the new Focus in Europe, was always comparing their car against a VW Golf and a Renault Megane. Is this IP infringement?
 
There is absolutely nothing wrong with this document. But I'm afraid that Apple will gain points with the jury with this kind of documents. Ignorant people may indeed believe Apple's claim that this document was done to copy the iPhone. But that's a lie and it's not very fair to present things in such a way!
What Samsung did here is only benchmarking and the r&d and marketing departments of any serious companies have to do these things on a regular base (where is my product compared to the competition?). This guide is not a guide of how to copy the iPhone. It's a list of what is not done right in their phone compared to theit biggest competitor. I bet they had the same kind of documents which compared their galaxy with other brands as well.
 
The SMS screens, icon displays, and menus in Samsung's older design are already extremely similar to the iPhone BEFORE they even compared the two in order to find room for improvements. This might actually help their defense as there are only so many ways to make a rectangular, hand-held communication device with all the same functions your customers expect and can get from every other competing smartphone.

I'm not so sure this is a nail in the coffin for Samsung. While it shows how heavily influenced their design is upon the iPhone, any smartphone maker that DOESN'T consider Apple's competition nowadays, does so at their peril.
 
Atari made the round button and analog joystick first.
Nintendo made the first directional pad and square with round corner buttons.
Given that train of thought, if Apple wishes to pursue violation of intellectual properties on the square button with round corners they owe Nintendo some major royalties.
Samsung makes the SOCs and most of the system memory for Apple, what if they just stopped shipping them?
If Apple wants to scream they were ripped off because of the shape of their phone or touchscreen interface, Nokia did that one first too.
When Apple "borrows" ideas, it's called innovation, but if someone does it to them Apple screams theft.
Are they going to try to claim white cases for the iPhone is their IP as well so only they can market a white phone?

I think some things are just too darn generic, claiming shapes or colors as IP is just crazy.
 
[citation][nom]unknownmember[/nom]FFS Biased here much? Lets get a couple of facts straight, Android or the likes of Galaxy S, One etc. Wouldn't be where it's at now if it wasn't for the iPhone. That's just the truth. Fuck, I guarantee you if the iPhone never existed every one of you would still be coughing up hundreds of dallas for resistive touch screen. And don't even start on the grand-ma friendly UI.[/citation]
Capacitive touchscreen were in the roadmaps of other manufactureres even before the release of the iPhone but no screens were available in quantity at that time. So It's true that Apple had a good sense of timing when they released the (at that time) half-baked iPhone 1 but would the iPhone have existed without the Nokia communicator, the iPaq, the Blackberry, the Palm Tre, and so on... The market for smartphones was already growing exponentially before the iPhone release. The merit of the iPhone is that it convinced private users to buy smartphones while the other brands as Qtek were mainly selling to companies. But soon or late, we would have gotten where we are now and no one can tell how good (or bad) the competitor smartphones would be now without the influence of the iPhone.
 
I like the argument of comparing to other products. And I think indeed the argument is heavier than that. In 2010 there is no standard, iPhone is pushing a new standard that USERS need to learn. Samsung, Looking at what is doing (both wrong and well) Apple helps in setting a new standard. They need to mimetic the behaviour of the iPhone so that users will be able to easily learn to use samsung's one... This (setting an standard), has been done again and again FOR THE BENEFIT OF USERS , why should this be bad ? (isn't Windows 8 breaking that same rules, then?) Apple should start getting into this patent war but in the defendant's chair for every imaginable concept, which in fact, is copied from nature.
 
LOOK everybody what is apple is trying to say

IT is saying something like this

apple got calling function [after all it is a telephone] so samsung can not have calling function

it is so hilarious

They should stop this Hippocratic behavior

 
the real question is, how did apple get (steal) these internal samsung documents.!
no seriously, the person that made these documents deserves a raise, he did his homework. They took their basic product, copared it with the competition (and i'm sure they didn't only compare to the iphone) and tried to bring out a better product. There's nothing wrong with that.
 
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