Those things are generally worse than garbage.Is it perfctly safe/okay to use driver verifier and is there anything I should know before I use it if I do. Also what kind of problems is it used to fix.
I wouldn't trust it at any stage. This is the sort of program Usafret was thinking Driver verifer was,. Its not the same thing.i personally use "iobit driver booster" to source a lot of my drivers and keep them up to date by running it about once a month.
Driver Booster just checks to see if there are newer drivers. And often gets it wrong
I thought I had a post around here saying why not to use 3rd party driver updating programs.
If you are talking about the windows driver verifier app, I would not use it unless there is a driver issue you are trying to debug. It looks at potential driver issues.Is it perfctly safe/okay to use driver verifier and is there anything I should know before I use it if I do. Also what kind of problems is it used to fix.
Yeah that is what I was talking about, thank you very much for the info. I might have a BSOD issue but i'm not sure yet, it isn't to do with Windows, my account, my HDD or RAM, so I was thinking Motherboard or CPU. Basically everything seems to use up more CPU, Memory and Disk usage and sometimes a browser or random Windows process will use up tons and then crash my PC, also it often crashes if it goes to sleep.I think he's talking about Driver Verifier that is built into Windows, which is different from an automatic driver updater.
Are you having BSOD issues? Driver Verifier (DV) can sometimes force a BSOD to reveal the driver responsible for the crashes. If not, there is no need/reason to fully enable DV. It runs in the background all the time with a limited set of rules but more can be enabled when you're crashing.
DV will slow your system down as it's used and is usually used for a few days to help determine the reason for the crashes. Using DV can cause a boot loop in which you'll have to use a Restore Point to get out of it (or sometimes a full Windows reinstall). It shouldn't be used unless you absolutely need to use it.
@Colif made a post about DV here:
Thank you very much for your help, I will take a look at your instructionsDriver verifer is always running in back ground, but you can run it specifically to find a problem driver. It puts drivers into positions they shouldn't be in, to see if they will crash.
As John said, its got a nasty habit of putting people into a boot loop so in my instructions I show them how to set up safe mode to let them use F8 at boot to get in, also show how to use system restore to roll system back if need be as well.
I generally try to find an answer without using it, because of the boot loop. Shame MIcrosoft can't make a driver testing tool that also doesn't break windows.
how can you not be sure if you have a BSOD issue? they pretty obvious. Windows crashes and you get a BSOD. If you crashing without them, its hardware, or something else. . Sometimes windows can't tell you what is wrong.I might have a BSOD issue but i'm not sure yet,
It could be a memory leak, most of those caused by drivers. You don't use driver verifer to track those, as I don't think it tests for those. John may know more about it.Basically everything seems to use up more CPU, Memory and Disk usage and sometimes a browser or random Windows process will use up tons and then crash my PC, also it often crashes if it goes to sleep.
Sorts by the difference between bytes allocated and bytes freed.
Okay thank you very much for the info and help. Ok yeah I get a BSOD when my PC crashes from something to do with going to sleep. but I haven't let it do that in a long time. And I don't think I've blue screen'd from my CPU, Memory and Disk usage going to 100.how can you not be sure if you have a BSOD issue? they pretty obvious. Windows crashes and you get a BSOD. If you crashing without them, its hardware, or something else. . Sometimes windows can't tell you what is wrong.
It could be a memory leak, most of those caused by drivers. You don't use driver verifer to track those, as I don't think it tests for those. John may know more about it.
Most of the time you need to use poolmon which is best described by videos
Its looking for drivers that take commitments but don't free them.
he says to hit d on launch
there are longer videos but at least he links to where you get program in description and the find command is needed to identify driver once you have its tag, and shows what to do.
this might help ideentify the tags. Every driver has its own tag - https://github.com/zodiacon/PoolMonXv2/blob/master/PoolMonX/res/pooltag.txt
run it at idle to get a base line and then run it when you starting to have the problems and compare results.
- Ignore all Microsoft tags, some parts of windows always have lots of memory as their job is to manage memory.
- Only want to look at non paged pool.
- You want to find tag with biggest difference between allocations and frees.
Often its LAN drivers.
so its a krnl dump, related with sleep and hibernation.Okay thank you very much for the info and help. Ok yeah I get a BSOD when my PC crashes from something to do with going to sleep. but I haven't let it do that in a long time. And I don't think I've blue screen'd from my CPU, Memory and Disk usage going to 100.
Okay thank you for the advice, do you happen to know a good way for checking if any drivers are out of date, cause I know that some programs don't seem to agree if some are out of date or notso its a krnl dump, related with sleep and hibernation.
update ALL drivers first and try to replicate the bsod..
if you still get it i would check your power options within windows, and alter them to never sleep, hibernate, or power down the hard drive while the system is running idle. disable the graphics card from shutting off the video signal when you hit your set time for screen saver to kick in. try to replicate the error again.
some useful tips here: https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/fix-windows-10-sleep-mode/
can also try and disable "fast startup" as that is also tied with sleep and hibernation.
Okay thank you, and my internet is just about fine I think. And my Specs are an Gigabyte H81M-HD3 motherboard, I5-4670, 16GB RAM, RX 480 8GB GPUMost sleep errors are driver related.
if you want help with poolmon, just upload screenshots. I seen it a few times now. Problem is the videos are either short or one hour long.
What are specs of your PC? if you have Killer internet I can guess it is likely cause of memory leaks.
I completely understand and agree with everything in your post, it IS advertised on many platforms and sites now. but.... I've been using it for much longer than its been mass advertised. I've had a few systems where the drivers right from the manufacturer and from windows were buggy OR non existent.. the driver supplied from iobit was the one that worked. I'm not trying to sell the product by any means, because it is offered free, and i find that it works.. it simply saves me time, which is a little extra money in my pocket, and more time spent with my family. I never mentioned to keep it installed, actually advising to uninstall it after updating. I did warn that it does have a paid feature that really isn't needed and that it also has some nagware for other iobit products... in the free version of driver booster you can get 95-99% of the drivers needed that are 99.99% accurate from my experience in using it thus far.Preemptive defenses against replies... its not just here that says don't do it:
Never download a driver-updating utility. Like PC-cleaning programs, they try to charge you money for a service you don’t need. They do this by scaring you with threats of blue screens and system problems.www.howtogeek.comLTTWant to update your computer’s hardware drivers? Get your driver updates from Windows Update or your device manufacturer’s website. Here’s how.www.howtogeek.com
its hard to find resources that don't just want to sell you things. Most driver updating websites are linked to this sort of app. Its really hard to find good sources... I know as I been trying to answer driver questions here for 6 years or more now. All new driver updaters appearing as its a new way for once proud utility companies to keep existing.
that's part of problem. If driver booster was so needed, why does it allow people to be tricked into buying it?
For example. Go here - https://www.systemrequirementslab.com/cyri
choose any game
click the button and it will download something that checks PC.
it will come back and unless it can tell you have DB already, it should tell you your GPU drivers are old, even when they aren't.
Its solution is to download driver booster.
there is money in selling people things they don't need. Most of the economy based on that, but most things you buy aren't destructive to other things you use them in.
There is no real need to always have the latest drivers for everything, only update drivers if you are having problems.
The only drivers you might want to keep up to date are Graphics card drivers IF your GPU is within 3 years of age, after that the value of newer drivers for your card dwindles.
That tends to happen when the recommendation given is ill advised. It doesn't have anything to do with "elitists" on this site, or moderators, or anything else. It's just not advisable. And as Colif pointed out, aside from those who are shilling for IObit, it's pretty much universal advice to not use them on most all forums and tech sites that are peopled by experienced power users or veteran techs and builders. Contrary to your experiences with them, I can count on one hand the number of systems I've worked on or helped resolve issues with online that HAD one installed, and didn't have problems stemming from the use of it.and as i had initially said earlier in this post.. "elitists" on this site, mods or whomever have already downvoted my answer.
I only used that as it agreed with what i said. its a link to forums, not his YouTube channel. I doubt he was in thread (I didn't look that far). I don't follow him or anything really. Not even on those forums.Take it as you will we all have personal preferences... IF you trust everything, say for example; LTT says, you are a friggin' fool.. he's become so commercialized its ridiculous. its no longer about the love of computers for him.. its about money... as you said in you post is what everyone is after...
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